Post ArqYtr5lrmjmys5j8a by pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me
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(DIR) Post #ArqPipQ8qEH11YHpnU by kaia@brotka.st
2025-03-08T12:17:05.849581Z
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German suffers from a netherlandification where younger Germans lose their native vocabulary and replace it with English words, e.g. instead of saying "Mann", they say "Dude", instead of "betrügen" they use "cheaten".Especially when discussing technical topics, using the German vocabulary is seen as uneducated, cringe or unprofessional.It's my impression that young people especially have an extremely limited vocabulary, half consisting of more-or-less incorrect English loanwords replacing a perfectly fine German one.Thanks for attending my TED talk.
(DIR) Post #ArqPmTbzrs2eXlZUeW by themilkman@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T12:18:00.402783Z
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@kaia super guilty of this tbh
(DIR) Post #ArqPp7dQ2CcpFfUwdc by iska@catposter.club
2025-03-08T12:18:25.849Z
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@kaia@brotka.st total german death is coming :praycat:
(DIR) Post #ArqPufLE8qTLErdH2e by themilkman@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T12:19:28.358192Z
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@kaia but swiss german so who cares i guess lol, sometimes it doesn't really work and an english word gets the idea better
(DIR) Post #ArqQ3oQTjaZg1LRyRk by raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest
2025-03-08T12:21:07.559Z
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@kaia@brotka.st Kaia,you are young yourself.
(DIR) Post #ArqQ4ay9Fi1mZfZXai by pixel@desu.social
2025-03-08T12:20:41Z
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@kaia some people started with it, and people that don't know the actual word in German beforehand just pick that up as their vocabulary for that.The age of the internet and the effects of younger and younger people being exposed to it.
(DIR) Post #ArqQMUVU1AdnkChK1A by bartholin@fops.cloud
2025-03-08T12:24:28.024528Z
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@kaia Dutch is a joke language, German is a close contender
(DIR) Post #ArqQS6MegwM4bbFBZY by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-03-08T12:25:30.596638Z
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@kaia In Czechia this has been happening for more than a decade. It's come to the point where 20 year olds can barely understand what high schoolers are talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if a third of their vocab is bastardized English words.Thanks for reading my short ventpost.
(DIR) Post #ArqQaWu1uHDNEGsD44 by kaia@brotka.st
2025-03-08T12:26:53.926454Z
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@bartholin Ich bin die Suppe!
(DIR) Post #ArqQnHHPItJoXXt2BM by kaia@brotka.st
2025-03-08T12:29:12.325713Z
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@silhouette @bartholin that was loud :aqua_aaa:
(DIR) Post #ArqQnnTDcVmSNRev2G by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-03-08T12:29:20.554157Z
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@bartholin @kaia "dutch" is literally bastardization of "deutsch"
(DIR) Post #ArqR00yFFfOXiszszg by nerthos@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T12:31:38.495120Z
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@kaia The result of 80 years of colonization. Without a strong pride in one's own culture, people who want to seem "modern" or "cultured" will start loaning from other cultures seen as more refined.It happened a lot of times in history, like with english speakers using French to sound "fancy"
(DIR) Post #ArqRCEnpeNSK65xH04 by bartholin@fops.cloud
2025-03-08T12:33:49.206599Z
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@RedTechEngineer @kaia some Germans even claim they are hamburgers
(DIR) Post #ArqSD2PLJtc5tmRhS4 by grillchen@brotka.st
2025-03-08T12:45:10.920468Z
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@kaia ok boomer. seriously though this is normal. i once read a text from 1910 and the dude was saying "parlieren" instead of "sprechen" from the french parler.>Especially when discussing technical topics, using the German vocabulary is seen as uneducated, cringe or unprofessional.depends on the field. sometimes the englisch terms are correct and only ones used. noone understands what a "mehrfädiges system" ist. multi threading on the other hand is understandable. I usually learn more terms in english first and just recently learned a din rail is called a "Hutleiste" in german. (funny enough the englisch term is named after the german DIN)if u work in construction i was told polish terms are the way to go. even if your coworkers are not polish, it is what people understand.
(DIR) Post #ArqTwFI4MwKIq5AFRw by kaia@brotka.st
2025-03-08T13:04:27.341333Z
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@xarvos @bartholin :ChenShrug:
(DIR) Post #ArqYtr5lrmjmys5j8a by pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me
2025-03-08T14:00:08.673293Z
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@kaia @bartholin Frighteningly plausible Nederlands Duolingo:[Het] [is] [een] [soep][en] [groente] [###] [de] [##] [in] [alsjeblieft] [###] [gelopen] [####] [geen][!\/!] The correct answer is:[!/\!] Het is in de soep gelopen.Meaning: It has gone wrong.
(DIR) Post #ArqaOPz8ncRnqE7y4m by pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me
2025-03-08T14:16:53.433500Z
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@nerthos @kaia You could just as well construct an opposite narrative where, if left to their own devices, the peoples of Europe will organically incorporate loanwords and phrasing from neighboring countries and cultures, slowly working to overcome the artificial language and political divisions of the continent (autocratically upheld for centuries first by feudal fiefdoms and then by their successors, the modern nation states) and any "purification" efforts are almost always chauvinist theater imposed by political elites.
(DIR) Post #ArqdN2caTn0ux8c5fE by twinspin6@outerheaven.club
2025-03-08T14:50:09.902193Z
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@kaia i consume so much english stuff and communicate in english oftenthus i sometimes think of the english word first
(DIR) Post #ArqdTKMRR9pVi03hdw by nerthos@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T14:51:24.822398Z
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@pingviini @kaia This narrative operates on the assumptions that:1) the peoples of Europe would organically unite into a single mixed culture with a single language, which is contrary to what they have done over the last 5000 years whenever left to their own devices, even within the same country (Germany required an authoritarian push by the federal government to unify dialects, France was the same)2) the idea that feudal fiefdoms and their rulers were outsider factors, and not born out of the same peoples they ruled, which happened a few times, but not in most cases. Especially in the Germanic regions, feudal lords and kings were often elected, directly by the population until well into the middle ages, and by elector counts and dukes in the late period.The political and cultural divisions of the continent are the very opposite of artificial, it's the natural progression of humanity. The logistics to unify continent-scale populations are impossible without complicated political structures and statecraft, which do not happen in a "natural" environment (where people organize at the clan/town level, because that's the amount of people they can have personal connections with)The absorption of loanwords and conversion of their phonetics and writing to naturalize them as part of the language is normal and natural, but generally happens to obtain words for concepts that aren't already present in the main language (See: robot, as a common example), not to replace existing, functional words.
(DIR) Post #ArqdWlJdfz9IAzNyLY by twinspin6@outerheaven.club
2025-03-08T14:51:55.044459Z
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@meso @kaia exactlyout here only using the good parts of the language
(DIR) Post #ArqdcmNmcf5tDrC35k by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-03-08T14:53:06.090188Z
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@kaia the world is healing from having to have the german language around
(DIR) Post #ArqdkzLaIwm3kR4ypc by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-03-08T14:54:34.933650Z
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@nerthos @kaia funnily enough, i like speaking english, but i when speak spanish, i prefer to use the terms in spanish of what people would traditionally use english terms for
(DIR) Post #ArqdrETmxKHkPwtUqe by lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
2025-03-08T14:54:39.968086Z
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@kaia language has always been evolving
(DIR) Post #ArqeCIL5nhKcTArzc0 by pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me
2025-03-08T14:59:30.923846Z
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@nerthos @kaia > [ahistoric nonsense]That's some impressively idiotic drivel IMHO, but my point was that you literally cannot know or find a definite or even approximate cause-and-effect for these things.Of course anybody is free to make up a story to try make sense of it all and/or use a lore repository for a political project, but nobody should ever actually believe in any of that bullshit, especially not the bullshit of one's own creation.
(DIR) Post #ArqeM2avC4saXAvA8m by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-03-08T15:01:16.893471Z
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@nerthos @kaia in general i believe in respecting the language I'm speaking, even if its a language I don't necessarily like to speak
(DIR) Post #Arqey70jDrnFEd9612 by nerthos@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T15:08:10.608949Z
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@pingviini @kaia >ahistoric nonsenseAh, so you're simply a revisionist and a collectivistThat's fine, the poison that your kind spews is not something I'll ever drink, and your dreams of destroying our world and our cultures will never happen. You had the best shot at it you'd ever have after WWII, and even that didn't work. You'll never give up because evil is pathological, but it's pleasant to know that all your efforts will be in vain. Your accursed blood can never triumph over real humans.
(DIR) Post #Arqf4ZJKusLokAvbYO by nerthos@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T15:09:21.064852Z
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@mischievoustomato @kaia Same, I'll use loanwords in a technical context when they're more accurate or understandable (like when talking computing at work) but otherwise it's nice to stick to one language at a time.
(DIR) Post #ArqfONp1LFLqu3CFQe by antmetsa@mastodon.social
2025-03-08T15:12:06Z
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@kaia Yeah, I've noticed. Instead of 'Hemd' they say 'Shirt', instead of 'Karte' they say 'Ticket'... And so on. Instead of 'Straßenbahn' 'Tram'. Of course 'Deal' instead of 'Vertrag' or 'Kontrakt'. So sad. 😢
(DIR) Post #ArqfqVkjRsAvbmbRs8 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-03-08T15:17:59.846571Z
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@antmetsa @kaia doing god's work on earth: erasing this hideous language :kannapray1::kannapray2::kannapray3:
(DIR) Post #ArqgoKFRLry3InUKXI by ubernigga@wizard.casa
2025-03-08T15:28:49.141783Z
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@nerthos @kaia Nietzsche did this. Dude was the most German thinker in history yet couldn't keep his distaste for the German states out of his mouth. He longed to be French, or Greek, or Polish.
(DIR) Post #ArqgwNIButfJ3pc4bQ by nerthos@shitposter.world
2025-03-08T15:30:16.810910Z
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@ubernigga @kaia Tragically common problem in several European countries, which has been abused politically a lot.
(DIR) Post #ArqhEYsfZPUKDKLcQa by ubernigga@wizard.casa
2025-03-08T15:33:30.903548Z
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@nerthos @kaia At the time Germany was the only nation (if you could call it that back then) that had lost any semblance of high culture, but now all of Europe is in that situation.
(DIR) Post #ArqhGsGiSQguvJhLGK by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-03-08T15:33:57.877304Z
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@nerthos @kaia yeah i agree, but i only use loanwords when there's no other word for a thing
(DIR) Post #ArqhOMmfOtwvamDPU0 by ubernigga@wizard.casa
2025-03-08T15:35:19.757418Z
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@nerthos @kaia Ofc op is a point about loanwords but I think that's symptomatic of the problem.Nietzsche also borrowed most of his naming schemes from outsider cultures, even though there would have been Prussian analogues that would've been better understood.
(DIR) Post #Arqher8eJKmuMuMOdU by Tizen@mk.absturztau.be
2025-03-08T15:37:08.327Z
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@kaia@brotka.st It's the big Company speak (and maby IT-Bubble)FYI. Denken Sie bitte an Ihren Emergency-Breaking Point, den wir im letzten digital-Meeting besprochen haben, ebenfalls müssten wir für das nächste Authority Meet-up den Content sleek gestalten sodas es in die Tab-Time Organisation Order passt.
(DIR) Post #ArqiXeiwAbFjnASqJs by Tizen@mk.absturztau.be
2025-03-08T15:40:38.273Z
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@antmetsa@mastodon.social @kaia@brotka.st Ich werde mir nun einen elektronischen Zugfahrterlaubnisschein über mein Mobiles Telefon gredenzen und damit die zweifache Vertragsvereinbarung eingehen, aufdass der Schienenbetreiber die Definition von Pünklichkeit auf's neue Veruntreut.
(DIR) Post #ArqmiTBnnKav1LNT3Q by m0xEE@nosh0b10.m0xee.net
2025-03-08T16:34:45Z
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your coworkers are not polishWho would even agree to that?CC: @kaia@brotka.st
(DIR) Post #Arr2DHVglZxB5UpURM by antmetsa@mastodon.social
2025-03-08T19:01:40Z
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@kate Wow, that's interesting, totally new for me. @kaia @Tizen
(DIR) Post #ArsPeIZZPqVKJ1SNQ8 by nightingale@mastodon.vhack.eu
2025-03-09T11:22:47Z
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@kaia With some of my friends it's like they're trying to replace as many words as possible with loanwords to sound more hip and international. Explicitly saying that it feels backwards and problematic not to use loanwords