Post ArDXEcsOgyCwPEak0e by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
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(DIR) Post #ArD8J6Si8ZuCT7cCXo by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T13:28:22.979Z
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Anyone else feel like this anime season just feels kinda meh?Are you watching anything this season? I am currently not.
(DIR) Post #ArD8jK4UA2fUCqmoWu by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T13:33:10.042167Z
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@SuperDicq Newer アニメ is too proprietary and contains too much proprietary software.Older アニメ tends to lack proprietary software and often has a base level of quality.
(DIR) Post #ArD8rHyXpxRU1To2r2 by thatbrickster@shitposter.world
2025-02-17T13:34:38.974167Z
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@SuperDicq I stopped years ago.
(DIR) Post #ArDAMfldWtQwk8IUaW by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T13:51:27.808Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com I don't know what the fuck you're talking about because all of the anime I download are in free video formats.Or are you talking about the software that the producers of the show used to create the show?
(DIR) Post #ArDAm0h0rmCCsjDTzU by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T13:56:02.433Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Wait, I think I get what you really mean.Please don't tell me you're one of those ultra GNU autists that considers an anime "unwatchable" because the fictional people in the fictional show use fictional proprietary software?Like "Macrosoft Winding" in Angel Beats.
(DIR) Post #ArDApHKLTbgPLDAkLI by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T13:56:39.390221Z
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@SuperDicq I'm writing about how modern ones portray demon rectangles and other proprietary software being run, which is much less common in older Chinese cartoons.
(DIR) Post #ArDAypE6oCRz5Io7oO by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T13:58:23.027663Z
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@SuperDicq >ultra GNU autistsI was professionally diagnosed not autistic, but I am ultra-GNU.It does ruin the experience if the characters are surrendering their freedom to proprietary software, although in most cases it's not so bad to make the show unwatchable.
(DIR) Post #ArDAzoltzAj7xm5TSC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T13:58:31.695Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Dude, it's fiction. I feel like I'm making lolicon discussion type arguments but the fucking proprietary software in the anime isn't real bro...
(DIR) Post #ArDBBRCjQy02LUB4Ea by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T14:00:39.256628Z
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@SuperDicq It would be fine if total proprietary death was implemented, as the proprietary software in the anime would be mere fiction as it doesn't exist in reality, but the proprietary software in the anime does actually have a real implementation.
(DIR) Post #ArDBFzdlLNBIIyzdWC by authen@brain.worm.pink
2025-02-17T14:01:30.459168Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #ArDBS6DUidOsAzTlL6 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T14:03:38.745Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com I mean usually anime uses parody brands and doesn't actually show real software?
(DIR) Post #ArDBcPZvaS1l7btCWO by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T14:05:33.158384Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicqYuki Installs Gentoo-S8s9uzPIqQ4.webm
(DIR) Post #ArDBis9CHVudSpT11s by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T14:06:42.311686Z
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@SuperDicq It depends, but often despite the parodied brand, it's pretty obvious that microsoft windows is being run in Angel Beats even though it's called "Macrosoft Winding".It's really a massive disappointment, as the characters could as easily been running GNU, or a made up OS name but nooo.
(DIR) Post #ArDC9SsYKxPCujMVWa by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T14:11:28.649Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Parody brand names are just funny easter eggs. The actual OS that they are using does not matter for the plot whatsoever.They probably choose to make their parody OS resemble Windows because that's definitely most likely what a highschool student would be running in Japan.Also it is very likely that the animators are not aware that GNU even exists in the first place. So can you really blame them?
(DIR) Post #ArDCJrgowiGil7pkHo by waifu@mai.waifuism.life
2025-02-17T14:13:04.410Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo You're assuming "Macrosoft Winding" is proprietary though, unless explicitly mentioned, you can't know, considering it's a parody of an operating system it may as well be what it isn't. Maybe in the anime universe "Macrosoft Winding" is the Libre operating system and "Laanex" is proprietary
(DIR) Post #ArDCXwkuuJGaWdSqNE by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T14:15:55.826Z
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@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Yeah another good point.Unless they show the actual software license on screen you do not know for sure.
(DIR) Post #ArDDldfAn2AdJps1TM by gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T14:10:28.213160Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki >the fucking proprietary software in the anime isn't real bro...Software is information, and information is not material, but it exists. That means proprietary software in an anime is real.
(DIR) Post #ArDE5ajtN1wu2gal4C by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T14:33:13.231480Z
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@SuperDicq @waifu It seems I can tell which software is proprietary by feel now before I take a look at the license and it turns out it's proprietary and it seems such skill even works on anime.The thing that improves or decreases the quality of the anime is the portrayal of the proprietary software.Portraying proprietary software as a good thing decreases the quality.But it can increase the quality - Shimoneta for example contains lots of proprietary software, but it does a very good job of portraying the consequences of proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #ArDEPo31bClR6sBELg by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T14:36:52.431996Z
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@waifu >"Laanex" is proprietaryThe kernel, Linux is proprietary software in reality you know?
(DIR) Post #ArDFA6X3Cu5Nl6Ijbc by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T14:45:15.970839Z
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@thatbrickster @SuperDicq I literally haven't seen any show in years that looks interesting enough to pique my interest
(DIR) Post #ArDFbWGrcPFRPBnoOW by menherahair@eientei.org
2025-02-17T14:50:12.600926Z
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@phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq
(DIR) Post #ArDFmIVV8Hs1u1mvx2 by waifu@mai.waifuism.life
2025-02-17T14:51:48.832Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo so you have no proof, got it
(DIR) Post #ArDFqc20U3WDcA3ABc by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T14:52:55.323635Z
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@menherahair @phnt @SuperDicq Ubuntu is proprietary software?: https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Ubuntu
(DIR) Post #ArDG2xfpqMvYDDZGyW by waifu@mai.waifuism.life
2025-02-17T14:54:52.298Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com not my problem
(DIR) Post #ArDGARbGyayj3R0BHc by menherahair@eientei.org
2025-02-17T14:56:28.770795Z
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@Suiseiseki @phnt @SuperDicq they debootstrapped it, then parsed the non-free sources from the upstream debian unstable version and pinned the packages at -100
(DIR) Post #ArDGa4muPlRTpffPWq by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T15:01:10.089578Z
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@gabi @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq by that logic unicorns exist because I can think of one
(DIR) Post #ArDGkC2WJ7TxDenEPY by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T15:03:00.026813Z
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@yomiel @SuperDicq @thatbrickster Orb: on the Movements of the Earth was interesting but they kept killing off the main cast and replacing them with less interesting characters
(DIR) Post #ArDGnill4lCTb5dRBo by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-02-17T15:03:38.033106Z
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@SuperDicq It is. I've said so in the podcast too. Then again, I may have picked up the wrong things, this happens, but like 50% of the season is romance and isekai slop and jesus christNext season wasn't looking too hot either but things have been added since then and it looks betterThen again Winter and Summer usually are the suckier season of the yearCatch up to:Bang Dream It's MyGo!!!!! so you can watch Bang Dream Ave MujikaShangri-La FrontierApothecary DiariesAlso:Akuyaku Reijou Tensei Oji-sanTaogare HotelAmeku Takao no Suiri KarteTrillion GameAlternatively, just listen to the podcast eppodcast.headpat.agency
(DIR) Post #ArDH4lBTLpE40dmssa by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:06:42.898366Z
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@Cyrillic @SuperDicq @thatbrickster "I liked Uzaki-chan because she has these really huge tits"
(DIR) Post #ArDHEqaw5ZxTgbVXqC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T15:08:28.289Z
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@coolboymew@shitposter.world Dude, this is a Spotify link. Hell no.If you want any chances of me listening to your podcast aka having a voice in the background while I'm focused on other tasks at least give it to me a free and DRM-free format.
(DIR) Post #ArDHeVfuUUHWKl4Tyq by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:13:10.134949Z
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@SuperDicq @coolboymew It says mp3 download beneath with a mega link on the page.
(DIR) Post #ArDHhVBWlkUpgOHqRk by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:13:42.966844Z
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@SuperDicq @coolboymew https://mega.nz/folder/qTZhmIxJ#HWaY1qIn369eAd-BLqTvog
(DIR) Post #ArDHueLe0nqbrmHvrk by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-02-17T15:16:05.582628Z
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@yomiel @SuperDicq thanks
(DIR) Post #ArDIF11nOlQHzxiPmC by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:19:46.437028Z
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@Suiseiseki @waifu @SuperDicq Boku no Pico is a great example of featured proprietary software, but warning of it's negative consequences.
(DIR) Post #ArDIK5nr4WRIFwcEHQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T15:20:39.596Z
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@yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @coolboymew@shitposter.world This details page is not visible without proprietary javascript. Mega also does not work without proprietary javascript.
(DIR) Post #ArDILj18lA4wAOblVg by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:20:56.670715Z
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@yomiel @waifu @SuperDicq I'll make sure not to watch that one extra hard then.
(DIR) Post #ArDIQZZDK7aaIwrDGq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:21:49.616541Z
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@SuperDicq @coolboymew @yomiel >Mega also does not work without proprietary javascript.Mega also offers a free software downloader script - but it's a real pain in the neck to use.
(DIR) Post #ArDIQfLxoIYUFahiS0 by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-02-17T15:21:52.762194Z
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@SuperDicq @yomiel bruhYou can download shit from mega with jdownloader 2 and stuff
(DIR) Post #ArDIXtggujKSjbqaxM by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:23:07.916993Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq @yomiel Jdownloader is proprietary software - absolutely degenerate.
(DIR) Post #ArDIZFG0CjtLvA0T1E by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:23:25.853159Z
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@SuperDicq @coolboymew They are for me.
(DIR) Post #ArDIhcGIYbVdaN8X2G by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:24:56.451453Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @coolboymew https://support.jdownloader.org/en/knowledgebase/article/setup-ide-eclipseIt's open source.
(DIR) Post #ArDIosl1cpTClyyQPA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:26:13.476155Z
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@yomiel @SuperDicq @coolboymew GNU/Jihad against "open source"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's claimed that the license is GPLv3-ambigious, but if you look at the alleged sources and the proprietary plugins, that's clearly not the license.
(DIR) Post #ArDJipXqkx9N1gUNzE by gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:21:52.157919Z
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@Cyrillic @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq If you're talking about material existence, then no, because simply thinking of something doesn't make it real in the physical world. But from an informational or conceptual perspective, yes — unicorns exist as ideas.It's like numbers: you can't touch the number 7, but the concept exists. The same goes for unicorns — they exist in imagination, drawings, and stories, but not physically.Saying that something is real usually implies that it has effects in the world. For example, digital money isn't material, but it's real because you can use it to buy things.So, everything that exists is real, but not everything real is material.
(DIR) Post #ArDKARUrlC0IYCGB1M by VIPPER@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:40:29.733453Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq You are completely insane.
(DIR) Post #ArDKBZvXtywCzDHTKC by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T15:41:33.824463Z
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@VIPPER @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq The FSF has gone insane
(DIR) Post #ArDKJQ4uP7CSkzOoOO by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-02-17T15:42:58.234600Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq >I was professionally diagnosed not autisticI'd ask for a second diagnostic
(DIR) Post #ArDKSVdR74LMb6spsG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:44:35.298877Z
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@yomiel @SuperDicq @VIPPER I don't lead the FSF, thus I don't see how they're relevant.
(DIR) Post #ArDKaNgqXJ24H0ERwO by sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party
2025-02-17T15:46:01.147953Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq just wait till you see how much 80s/90s anime had dos in it
(DIR) Post #ArDL5C6leCehKV37WC by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:51:30.675698Z
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@coolboymew @SuperDicq I'm not going to seek a diagnosis for a condition that I don't have.
(DIR) Post #ArDLSORjwLrkFxvAqu by coolboymew@shitposter.world
2025-02-17T15:55:48.330288Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq bitch please :cirnoPlease:
(DIR) Post #ArDLkrKvGZkf4OXOgy by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T15:59:08.732627Z
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@Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @SuperDicq >they have an option to only download free packages>this is a bad thing:insane:
(DIR) Post #ArDLl5vb11PCKBnsnY by sally@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T15:48:11.033700Z
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@yomiel @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @coolboymew No, it isn't, jDownloader has been infringing GPL for many years now, and they'll make it as inconvenient as possible to get access to upstream, the "public" repository is hosted on SVN and they require an account to clone repo.
(DIR) Post #ArDM0ENhrtEat0AZqC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T16:01:50.741Z
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@coolboymew@shitposter.world @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Yeah, no neurotypical person in the world is this much into GNU and anime stuff at the same time. I definitely don't trust that diagnosis.
(DIR) Post #ArDM0vhMofVjEQhNxI by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T16:02:01.362332Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq FSF is still seething over Debian's choice in the 90's to create a contrib and non-free repo for proprietary drivers and open-source software that depends on proprietary software.Why you may ask? Because FSF was sponsoring Debian in those days and it was endorsed as one of those "all free" distros.
(DIR) Post #ArDM3VT2nb7gkLECqO by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:02:29.289702Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @SuperDicq There is no option to "only download free packages", as they only provide proprietary versions of Linux.The issue is how there's numerous recommendations to install proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #ArDM899rAktp0ESwvA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:03:19.958575Z
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@SuperDicq @coolboymew Just because someone isn't a normie doesn't mean they are autistic.
(DIR) Post #ArDM8FQjqty6SKPW4G by menherahair@eientei.org
2025-02-17T16:03:22.189282Z
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@Suiseiseki @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq ubuntu doesn't use the modular kernel? nigger
(DIR) Post #ArDMLjAgaRreSdKV72 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:05:46.543891Z
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@phnt @menherahair @Cyrillic @SuperDicq The FSF has not done any seething - they have merely pointed out that recommending and maintaining proprietary software is unacceptable and the resulting slippery slope.Debian now is absolutely proprietary software that installs proprietary software without asking the user.
(DIR) Post #ArDMLke96P1X2I7Xfc by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T16:05:46.871Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @menherahair@eientei.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Yes. Debian actively encourages users to install nonfree packages which is a bad thing.For example you can install nonfree packages on GNU Guix as well via the "nonguix" repository. However this project does not encourage people to do so, which is good.
(DIR) Post #ArDMcPz7AwaTsSsNGq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:08:47.472699Z
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@SuperDicq @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic The mere existence of a nonfree repository is an encouragement to install proprietary software, even if enabling the repository is not generally recommended and is therefore a bad thing.
(DIR) Post #ArDMzcJjUPVwmpa93I by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T16:13:00.561697Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic Genuinely schizo logic btw. Nobody will take the FSF seriously when Distro's like Debian (pre-2022) and Gentoo are dismissed because it's *possible* to install nonfree software when they're some of the most free-software friendly distro's out there. Gentoo in particular is very good with the licensing issue and always informs the user a package is non-free and in fact blocks non-free by default.It's not 'encouraged', it's simply explained and is always made clear to the user the package they wish to install is non-free.
(DIR) Post #ArDNIhZaAo6uaZ60Uy by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:16:25.910344Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq >Gentoo are dismissed because it's *possible* to install nonfree softwareGentoo actively recommends the installation of proprietary software, includes a proprietary license in "@FREE" and knowingly has the wrong license on many packages, meaning using Gentoo in freedom requires actively working around proprietary tricks.>It's not 'encouraged'Writing an ebuild that installs proprietary software and then putting that ebuild in a repository is recommending the installation of that proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #ArDOHYtv1vEDMEd1WK by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T16:27:27.795133Z
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@Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq You're presupposing the repo's aren't separated however. I have yet to encounter this wrongful tagging of software in Gentoo, by the way. I'm sure it exists but it's probably rare. Mixing non-free and free packages in a repo would normally be wrong, but Gentoo doesn't work that way. There is no "other repo's" for Gentoo. You can add ebuilds but not repo's. The packages are tagged with a license, therefore (with the exception of wrongfully tagged packages) you can't accidentally install the wrong software. Not once does Gentoo ever encourage installation of non-free software. If you think Guix is okay despite the non-free nonguix repo, then I don't see how Gentoo which doesn't allow non-free by default is any different.
(DIR) Post #ArDOpa7J124EyU6zgm by anhedonia
2025-02-17T16:33:37.797081Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq I prefer my android girls gnubootedbeeop boop linux active
(DIR) Post #ArDPHoRLM7unVOwhsm by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:38:40.583530Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq >I have yet to encounter this wrongful tagging of software in Gentoo, by the way. I'm sure it exists but it's probably rare. Then you haven't looked - a large percentage of packages have the wrong license and all the Linux ebuild's should have LICENSE="GPL-2 no-source-code", but they are LICENSE="GPL-2">Mixing non-free and free packages in a repo would normally be wrong, but Gentoo doesn't work that way.Gentoo does mix nonfree and free packages in the official repo - as a result, running `emerge --search` can return results of proprietary packages.>You can add ebuilds but not repo's.You can quite easily add ebuild repositories via /etc/portage/repos.conf>therefore (with the exception of wrongfully tagged packages) you can't accidentally install the wrong software.As there are many wrongly marked licenses and there is proprietary software in the official repo, you can accidentally install proprietary software.>Not once does Gentoo ever encourage installation of non-free software.Gentoo encourages installation of proprietary software in many places, including the wiki.>If you think Guix is okay despite the non-free nonguix repoGuix by default at least doesn't have that repo enabled, meaning you cannot accidentally install proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #ArDQLVaNUuFO8tUvwG by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T16:50:34.771696Z
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@Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq It is unfortunate that this license mistagging has taken place, though you are yet to demonstrate it's scale. >as a result, running `emerge --search` can return results of proprietary packages.Keyword being can, but it always displays the license in this search. Plus attempting to install it will throw up an error telling the user they don't have that license enabled, then displaying that license. >Gentoo encourages installation of proprietary software in many places, including the wiki.So, documentation = encouragement to you? To me, encouragement means just that: to encourage. Encouraging someone to go on a journey even if they're scared would be to say "I know you're scared, but you'd enjoy going and I don't want you to miss out." This statement implies not just endorsement, but active recommendation. Not once does Gentoo either endorse non-free software, and NEVER does it encourage it. You could argue the hosting of something endorses it by default, it depends to what level you'd hold a hardware store for selling a shitty hammer. At best, the non-free software in the Gentoo repo's is 'endorsed' in the sense it is not *literal* malware. But encouragement is another thing all together, an advertisement almost. Unless you change the definition of encourage, Gentoo never encourages use on non-free software. At best, it endorses the security of some non-free software passively by hosting it, and that's being generous to your point.
(DIR) Post #ArDQvQdDOWlFCax92u by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T16:57:02.663114Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq >So, documentation = encouragement to you?Yes, if you write a proprietary ebuild that installs proprietary software and document instructions how to use proprietary software, you are endorsing the installation of proprietary software and encouraging people to use it - otherwise why on earth would you have written such ebuild and such instructions?>it depends to what level you'd hold a hardware store for selling a shitty hammer.If a hardware store stocks a hammer and offers it for sale, it's clearly encouraging the purchase of such hammer.>the non-free software in the Gentoo repo's is 'endorsed' in the sense it is not *literal* malware. Nonfree software is malware most of the time, thus Gentoo likely hosts many proprietary malware programs.>Gentoo never encourages use on non-free software.A lie doesn't become the truth just because you repeat it many times.>it endorses the security of some non-free software passively by hosting itProprietary software has no security against the developer and often no security against anyone and hosting and maintaining an ebuild is an active rather than passive thing.
(DIR) Post #ArDRFda0xjiB9W5mW8 by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T17:00:40.608537Z
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@Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq >A lie doesn't become the truth just because you repeat it many times.Yet it's you who keeps perverting the meaning of 'encourage'. I'm sure the dev's working at Gentoo would prefer all software in the world to be free and the source code to be available, but it's not. Gentoo dev's are not encouraging the use of non-free software, but some people want/require this non-free software thus it's better to host it in a friendlier, more free environment than for that user to say, use Ubuntu instead. Stallman himself made this point, no?
(DIR) Post #ArDRzX1hezJE9FvZA0 by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T17:07:33Z
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reality check: do you really believe it is not possible to install nonfree software on any of the recommended distros? or are you spreading disinformation deliberately?CC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
(DIR) Post #ArDS5knBON34a06Q7M by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T17:10:08.680886Z
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@lxo @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq So is it a good thing for the user to have the freedom to install these packages or not? Plus, if the user wants to and knows the risks, isn't it better for it to be well documented, vs the recommended distro's which leave you in the dark?
(DIR) Post #ArDSIrscLrSyKHtjxg by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T17:12:29.407239Z
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@yomiel >Yet it's you who keeps perverting the meaning of 'encourage'.It's not a perversion of meaning to point out that a word means what it means even though you come up with some bizarre roudabout explanation why it doesn't.>Gentoo dev's are not encouraging the use of non-free softwareYou only write and distribute an ebuild and document it if you want to encourage people to install such software.If the ebuild developer didn't want to encourage the use of nonfree software, I'm sure they wouldn't have written such ebuild, or at least there would be a comment imploring the user not to use it - but there is no such comments.>but some people want/require this non-free software thus it's better to host it in a friendlier, more free environment Such proprietary environment cannot correctly be described as free or friendly - it's rather a less propriety environment than is more convenient.As soon as you add a single proprietary program, without even a plan to replace it, you put yourself on the road to proprietary hell.
(DIR) Post #ArDSWdIJNRrB8zTnw8 by kerosene
2025-02-17T17:15:01.533097Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki >Lolicon haters when the schizo starts complaining about Macrosoft Windings in an animeimagen.png
(DIR) Post #ArDSg7CHZKPgUZBIAq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T17:16:40.825454Z
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@yomiel @lxo >is it a good thing for the user to have the freedom to install these packages or not?On any free OS, the user has the freedom to install whatever software they want.Although, if the user installs propriety software and proceeds to shoot their feet with it and blast proprietary shrapnel everywhere, that's clearly a bad thing.>if the user wants to and knows the risks, isn't it better for it to be well documented, vs the recommended distro's which leave you in the dark?If the user wants to and knows the consequences, they will be able to work out how to install it just fine.The only documentation proprietary software should have is reverse engineering documentation, to assist with replacement.
(DIR) Post #ArDSjM58gT87WcNvRg by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T17:17:17.818991Z
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@Suiseiseki It's you who is misconstruing the meaning of the word 'encourage' constantly. Package maintainers are not the guys who host the repo's, and the guys who host the repo's aren't necessarily the guys who code Gentoo. I'm sure the guy who maintains one of the proprietary packages might like that software. That doesn't mean everyone in the chain does. Saying a Distro encourages a piece of software to me means prepackaging it or advertising it, not having a user written article and an ebuild voluntarily maintained by a random guy. I think it's you who's being dishonest to call that 'encouragement'.
(DIR) Post #ArDT76i1UWs0nTtlQ0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T17:21:34.259595Z
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@yomiel >Package maintainers are not the guys who host the repo'sSome package maintainers are the same guys who host the repos and both the hosts and packagers maintainers get to decide what goes into the repos.>the guys who host the repo's aren't necessarily the guys who code GentooAssuming that is the case, they are still making a recommendation, as they are choosing to hosting such ebuild's (rather than choosing not to host them).>That doesn't mean everyone in the chain does. Everyone in the chain that doesn't decline to support or host the proprietary ebuild's gives approval to the ebuild's.>Saying a Distro encourages a piece of software to me means prepackaging it or advertising itAn ebuild is indeed pre-packaged and is indeed an advertisement.
(DIR) Post #ArDT9NibDq6w86FiOO by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T14:03:26.661992Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki it's funny to see people take suiseiseki's words seriously
(DIR) Post #ArDT9db2BjZBNGptp2 by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T17:22:03.427813Z
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@Suiseiseki @lxo This is just needlessly dumb. If I want to install a package, it should be as easy as possible regardless of it's licensing. What you're saying is make it more difficult for no reason on ideological grounds, which is just fucking dumb. I believe you should discourage using non-free software by blocking non-free packages by default. But if someone wants to use non-free for whatever reason, it should be easy, not having to manually find a binary from somewhere and having to assemble all the dependencies yourself.
(DIR) Post #ArDTRH2om4ESdxF1NI by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T17:24:02Z
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these are unrelated questions. respecting your freedom doesn't entail preventing you from engaging in self harm. ideally, you'd have at least the senses to not harm others around you, but imposing that on you ahead of time so that you didn't have a choice would be like DRM.now, software that takes control away from its users shouldn't even exist. when we get there, documentation on how to harm yourself by installing software that doesn't exist won't exist either, so it's not like having such documentation is necessary or desirable. but its inclusion shows where the includer stands: with the users, standing for their autonomy, or with those who wish to control the users through the software they use.CC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
(DIR) Post #ArDTRuyyHmvGVbkVvs by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T17:25:20.405715Z
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@yomiel @lxo >if someone wants to use non-free for whatever reason, it should be easyIf someone wants to installing nonfree software, it should be hard, so they have adequate time to consider if they should make such mistake.If installing proprietary software is easy and convenient, then many users don't think twice about doing so and everyone loses.
(DIR) Post #ArDV876ngtbWEb5z0a by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T17:44:10.935862Z
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@Suiseiseki @lxo A computer is a tool. If you need to make a screwhole in the wall, I'll use a power drill. I'm not gonna use a hammer to slowly hammer it in so I can contemplate if I *really* want that screwhole there.
(DIR) Post #ArDW2p3rSmOmlelHZQ by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T17:54:26.354140Z
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@lxo @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq You are ideological to the point of foolishness. A true double think; that you are more free because you can't install software. I have the freedom to easily install practically any software. I choose only to run the free ones, of course, and block non-free from my system. But if I ever had to install support for say, RAR files, that it wouldn't be a massive pain the ass. I can quickly just edit my package.license file and selectively accept that license for just one package. I'm an adult, I'm capable of choosing what software I and don't install. Due to new users existing I recommend blocking non-free packages being installed by default, but having no documentation available because it's 'encouragement'? That's just plain dumb. Especially the WIFI blobs restriction which makes every FSF recommended Distro impossible to use for anyone with a Laptop (or their computers in a room that makes it hard to access the Ethernet cable)
(DIR) Post #ArDWtilra4v8bfZDtY by mint@ryona.agency
2025-02-17T18:03:57.421822Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo >WIFI blobs restrictionI remember broadcom-wl driver for BCM4360-based adapters being so abysmal it was plain easier to buy some cheap Atheros laptop card and a PCIe adapter for it than to endure constant connection hangs. At least with free WLAN drivers you could compain to the guy that maintains them.
(DIR) Post #ArDXEcsOgyCwPEak0e by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T18:07:46.635776Z
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@mint @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo Don't a lot of motherboards blacklist the older Atheros WIFI cards that support free drivers?
(DIR) Post #ArDXQipUNtWCLP00bQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T18:09:54.883Z
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@yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com There are many WiFi cards that work without nonfree blobs. Not including the proprietary WiFi blobs incentivizes people to start buying freedom respecting ones instead.If you include the nonfree drivers by default or make them easy to install you do not incentivize hardware manufacturers to release their drivers as free software.Imagine if you will if all major distros such as Debian, Fedora, etc. stopped shipping these nonfree drivers.Hardware companies that want their drivers to be included on these operating systems will now have to start releasing them as free software now!
(DIR) Post #ArDXTGaNqlJfcJ9Azg by mint@ryona.agency
2025-02-17T18:10:24.166539Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo Not aware of any PCI blacklists on regular desktop mobos, I only seen Lenovo do this thing on some chinkpads so you have to patch the BIOS.
(DIR) Post #ArDXlBicgV2ljaXwa8 by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T18:13:39.747930Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @lxo >There are many WiFi cards that work without nonfree blobs. You understand you're now asking to run this operating system your asking people to go out and buy something just to run it? Most people wont do that. Especially not on a laptop.>Imagine if you will if all major distros such as Debian, Fedora, etc. stopped shipping these nonfree drivers.>Hardware companies that want their drivers to be included on these operating systems will now have to start releasing them as free software now!Beyond wishful thinking and straight into delusional. About the only thing that could fix it is the US government or EU demanding all firmware and drivers be open source.
(DIR) Post #ArDXqGhnZUYGeFaEWu by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T18:14:34.794597Z
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@mint @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo I'm probably just thinking of Thinkpad's, to be honest. It's the only laptop I've ever replaced the WIFI card on.
(DIR) Post #ArDYEJz32DH9lW7Yv2 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T18:18:52.398Z
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@yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br You understand you're now asking to run this operating system your asking people to go out and buy something just to run it?Simply just expecting any software to "just work" on any hardware is a very strange mentality to me.Normies understand that if you want to run Mac OS, you have to buy a Mac (even though in this case the reason Mac OS won't run on other hardware is artificial). It shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp for the average normie that if you buy want to run GNU/Linux you have to acquire hardware that is compatible as well.About the only thing that could fix it is the US government or EU demanding all firmware and drivers be open source.That is something that I definitely campaign for.
(DIR) Post #ArDYLBeYPE0JxJoD7Q by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T18:19:37.149Z
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@yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br You understand you're now asking to run this operating system your asking people to go out and buy something just to run it?Simply just expecting any software to "just work" on any hardware is a very strange mentality to me.Normies understand that if you want to run Mac OS, you have to buy a Mac (even though in this case the reason Mac OS won't run on other hardware is artificial). It shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp for the average normie that if you want to run GNU/Linux you have to acquire hardware that is compatible as well.About the only thing that could fix it is the US government or EU demanding all firmware and drivers be open source.That is something that I definitely campaign for.
(DIR) Post #ArDYfW6o3tH1BoiZ5U by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T18:23:50.648992Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @yomiel @lxo the thing is, the hardware is compatible, unless you are such an ideologue you'd rather throw your computer in a bathtub than install a proprietary driver on the computer.
(DIR) Post #ArDYkbOlp1oJ2kXrJw by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T18:24:45.636480Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @yomiel @lxo linux desktop does not have the market share to do any such thing
(DIR) Post #ArDZ2DzjZkE1fcEnXk by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T18:27:56.844160Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @lxo It's not that I have this mindset personally, I bought and librebooted a Thinkpad. Linux has no prestige among anyone except non-nerds. MacOS does. You have to approach any issue from the issue of the majority of users.If Ubuntu, Debian, etc all switched to the Linux Libre kernel, there wouldn't be mass sales of old Atheros cards (Most of which aren't sold anymore), they'd just switch to some other Distro like Manjaro or something. I'd love for all hardware and software to be free, I really would. But putting up these barriers of entry to most simply restricts new users, especially of the free-er Distro's like the ones the FSF recommends. Imagine how many more users would use, say, Trisquel if it had an installer option with the non-free WIFI blobs enabled. It could be a seperate ISO, and I'm sure we'd both rather people used Trisquel than Ubuntu being used, right?I'd imagine the average experience of a brand new FSF user is going to the recommended page, downloading a random one on the list, then being confused when it doesn't detect WIFI on the installer setup. Then they probably just go back to Ubuntu, never to go down that rabbit hole again.My ideology is bringing as many people as close to freedom as possible. I think the FSF is obstructive to that goal.
(DIR) Post #ArDZgm7S7YAr5ZBSbY by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T18:35:16.486013Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @lxo @menherahair @phnt @yomiel and that's so even if free software enthusiasts and steam gamers/soydevs are all taken to be the same group, even if the latter will not buy a specific laptop for linux
(DIR) Post #ArDcJ1to6EjcwSAc0u by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T19:03:05Z
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IMHO the freedom arises out of knowing that the software is harmful and thus choosing to avoid it. assuming you'll get more freedom by progressively giving others control over your computing and thus over you is as foolish as assuming that selling at a loss will earn you profits out of volume.the path to freedom, individual and collective, is to inform users so that they understand that others are trying to control them through the software they use, that the more they give up their freedom the harder it is to recover it and the easier it is for others to gain further control over their lives, and to avoid reinforcing the constant push that exploiters impose on users to go along the path that is most advantageous to them (the exploiters, not the users). only then, when these harmful pushes are canceled out, they (the users) can choose freely. before that, it's an illusion of choice, too distorted by harmful influences to be free.but yeah, you're free to harm yourself by poor software choices, and nobody's telling you otherwise. informing you that, by doing certain foolish things, you're sacrificing your freedom does not amount to stopping you from harming yourself; not handing you the manuals or the programs that you could use to harm yourself, that we don't even have ourselves, doesn't either. we just know that self harm won't help you in the long run, and that exploiters take advantage of short-term thinking to progressively increase their control over their victims, so we warn against that and don't help you with that. but ultimately it's your choice, and if you're determined to pursue self-harm and hand others control over your life, we can't stop you: we have no power over you.however, if you try to spread ideas of self-harm to others, we will try to counter that by attempting to inform and to influence them just the same. it's not like it's your spreading of these ideas that requires us to act: there are more than enough pushers of user-harmful software out there already, so we've got plenty of work to do already. but it would be definitely nicer if, instead of making our job hardware, you'd help us by inviting users gently to climb the freedom ladder at their own pace instead of teaching them to disparage us, to conform and to be controlled like most everyone else.CC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
(DIR) Post #ArDdUBXIi3wZyCWggi by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T19:17:48.431771Z
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@lxo @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq Everything you described applies to Gentoo.Warns the user, informs the user. Encourages free by default. That sounds EXACTLY like Gentoo.
(DIR) Post #ArDe4EcYiZ9DxjAwgC by arcanicanis@were.social
2025-02-17T19:24:19.054705Z
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After all, there are a lot of things that could be confused for an autism diagnosis
(DIR) Post #ArDfZZXh58n3mSPH28 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T19:41:11.530768Z
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@VIPPER @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq This and the other thread remind of the Luke Smith free software sink segment.luke-smith-proprietary-sink.mp4
(DIR) Post #ArDffl8StMm9TPYY1Q by gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T19:28:38.665207Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo >You are ideological to the point of foolishness. A true double think; that you are more free because you can't install software. I have the freedom to easily install practically any software. First, let's clarify the terms, because if everyone interprets them however they want, the debate loses its meaning.Libertad, from the Latin libertas, derives from liber, meaning "a free person" in opposition to a slave. From this root, we understand that freedom involves not being subject to the will of another. This is how "freedom" is understood in my language. I’m not familiar with the ἐτυμολογία of "freedom", and if its meaning differs significantly, I’d be curious to learn about this novel concept of libertas. However, from what I can tell, both terms seem to point to the same idea: being free, in contrast to the slave, that is, to someone who is not the master of themselves.Now, if freedom is the ability to be the master of oneself, a question arises:Is someone more free if they can sell themselves into slavery than someone who cannot?At first glance, it seems like they are, since the former has the "freedom" to choose their own slavery. But if we look deeper, we see that once they make that choice, they stop being the master of themselves and thus lose their freedom.The paradox is clear: the act of giving up freedom, in itself, destroys freedom. Therefore, someone who cannot sell themselves into slavery is ultimately freer, because their freedom does not depend on a choice that could nullify it.This concept is universal and applies to software as well. As Richard Stallman says:"With software, either the users control the program or the program controls the users".A proprietary software has an owner. Evidently, that owner is not you. With free software, however, you own a copy of the program, with the ability to study, modify, and share it. If software is the tool you use to interact with your computer, then whoever controls the software controls your tool. And if your tool is under someone else’s control, your freedom within that environment is as well. The difference is clear: having the option to install any software is not freedom if, by doing so, you lose control over what it does to your computer. Just like the slave who chose their master, the user who chooses proprietary software surrenders their freedom in exchange for convenience.
(DIR) Post #ArDffmKYRu2ZBCDiVM by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T19:42:18.105141Z
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@gabi @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo hiding behind ambiguity in language, there are several different "free" in your post, not just one.you either mean ability to choose, in which case in becoming a slave one doesn't lose any freedom because they had made their choice (this is the same thing liberals did with marriage by removing one's freedom to make a permanent decision)or you mean something else, in which case the ability to choose isn't relevant. there is no paradox.
(DIR) Post #ArDfqdg6xUAVWwTw2a by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T19:44:16.899451Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo The irony in "free software must let you run the software however they want" and then block the user from loading proprietary drivers they need never seizes to amaze me. In the name of fully free-software solutions, let's break one of the core principles.
(DIR) Post #ArDgAgyWPUSpXzegoC by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T19:47:54.169256Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @gabi @SuperDicq @lxo This, basically. You can play word games all day.In the classic definition of freedom, yes, a 'slave to Christ' is more free than a 'slave to vice'. Yet, this dichotomy is false, because I can be a slave to neither. GNU/Freedom as outlined my the GNU/Lord Stallman is just a different definition to everyone else's. Freedom, especially in the modern post-classical sense, means to be able to do what one wants with their tool. Free software encapsulates this very well, the freedom to share and edit. But it's an encroachment of freedom to say 'You are less free running a non-free program'. This is, to no exaggeration, Catholic-esque freedom theory.
(DIR) Post #ArDgCztV2aPmnpPCKm by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T19:48:17.046Z
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@yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br You have to approach any issue from the issue of the majority of users.We think ensuring software freedom is more important than hardware support for the majority of users.But putting up these barriers of entry to most simply restricts new usersThe FSF is aware of this. That's why they have the freedom ladder campaign where you slowly work up from fully proprietary computing to fully free computing.I'm sure we'd both rather people used Trisquel than Ubuntu being usedIf you distributed Trisquel but included all the nonfree blobs with it, it would honestly be no different than using Ubuntu so no.I'd imagine the average experience of a brand new FSF user is going to the recommended page, downloading a random one on the list, then being confused when it doesn't detect WIFI on the installer setup.I don't think this will happen. All the FSF endorsed distros clearly state in their documentation that hardware that requires proprietary drivers is not supposed, usually specifically listing WiFi cards and such as well. The FSF also recommends people to look up all you hardware on h-node.orgIf people run into issues while ignoring all documentation I don't think you can really blame that on the FSF or these distros.
(DIR) Post #ArDhvWpI3qchdTEbHE by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:07:11.424653Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq you could've stopped at > Nobody will take the FSF seriously
(DIR) Post #ArDiEocC9An4JCJ1ua by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:10:00.773980Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @yomiel @lxo > Hardware companies that want their drivers to be included on these operating systems will now have to start releasing them as free software now!holy crap, do you actually believe this?
(DIR) Post #ArDiIdKg2MbCTUvt0i by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:11:45.410110Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @gabi @SuperDicq @lxo yeah it is verbatim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMU0kMqsDAthat one can pragmatically pick Christ or vice without being a contrarian to the other makes most christians and leftists baffling to me.
(DIR) Post #ArDiScTG5yGKhMhypE by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T20:13:34.287512Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @gabi @SuperDicq @lxo LOL i was trying to pretend i hadn't watched this video (i have since read Augustine 😅)but yeah, literally the same.
(DIR) Post #ArDichpX1aRWDQw5oW by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T20:15:23.114421Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @lxo As so often is the case, you attribute too much to people being rational. I think you're foolish if you think the 'freedom ladder' or any of this gay bullshit will convince anyone. People need to get on board a movement. It'd be like trying to convince people to join communism through Das Kapital and not the Communist Manifesto. There would be three methods to mass adoption:Social movement: GNU/Linux must be somewhat respected. Just like MacOS is, for example. People have to want to switch. Mocking Windows users is a good start.Manufacturer change: GNU/Linux must be shipped WITH computers, preferably with free WIFI cards. Government initiative: Some of this must be regulated/mandated or manufacturers will never change.Lets see the current state if someone recommended the FSF to a friend:- Go on the FSF Website- You don't have the right WIFI drivers- "This is bullshit man, whatever" Leaves and never tries again.At least installing Ubuntu is as easy as can be. download ISO, even easier installer than Windows, and it just boots. Simple. That's FAR easier to recommend. The problem is Ubuntu actually DOES encourage non-free software. If the FSF allowed users to install wholly free distro's EXCEPT WIFI blobs (as a secondary ISO) they could easily double their user-base in a week, I bet.
(DIR) Post #ArDidPJpKpE55qROVM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:13:02.123925Z
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@lxo @yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq > however, if you try to spread ideas of self-harm to others, we will try to counter that by attempting to inform and to influence them just the same. it's not like it's your spreading of these ideas that requires us to act: there are more than enough pushers of user-harmful software out there already, so we've got plenty of work to do already. but it would be definitely nicer if, instead of making our job hardware, you'd help us by inviting users gently to climb the freedom ladder at their own pace instead of teaching them to disparage us, to conform and to be controlled like most everyone else.i think it'd be easy to say that every single one of you has pushed people away from anything foss, lol
(DIR) Post #ArDidZAchto1eCDBY0 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:14:20.842978Z
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@phnt @menherahair @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo I always found this conundrum hilarious. "What about the freedom to run whatever the hell I want?"
(DIR) Post #ArDihxDXF7kjNzfLqi by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:16:18.094Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @menherahair@eientei.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br >How is our society even free if I don't even have the freedom to sell myself out to slavery?
(DIR) Post #ArDikYlSc9YMPpmDa4 by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T20:16:48.306822Z
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@phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @VIPPER LMAO i just cut down this exact video earlier
(DIR) Post #ArDixhVhPQCjIxfdfE by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:19:10.617584Z
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@mischievoustomato @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo the libreboot/gnuboot thing especially, if I only knew of that one thing, would have indicated that this were a cult.
(DIR) Post #ArDj4Ctjcht0OD11Zw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:20:18.182Z
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@Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br You probably might've only heard the GNUboot story from one side if that's your take away from this.
(DIR) Post #ArDj8NSOJ6uIIPDLPs by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T20:21:05.505931Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @lxo Of course, we should protect the user against harm, the same way the state protects against drugs or other harmful things. The difference is leverage, though. FSF doesn't have the leverage to make companies make their software open source. Even if they did, it goes without saying that running non-free software far, far less restrictive than being irrevocably put into slavery. First of all, slaves can't just unenslave themselves. We have divorce for a reason. I can just uninstall non-free software. I can disable it's internet access. I can pirate it. I can sandbox it. Plus, the state doesn't regulate many things that are LITERALLY deadly, like alcohol or smoking.
(DIR) Post #ArDjA3IkDSzAMbV6oq by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T20:21:23.998071Z
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@mischievoustomato @menherahair @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo The copypasta is just too accurate when I wrote a year ago.
(DIR) Post #ArDjCZdMyWAzDkLmcq by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:17:01.120744Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @yomiel @lxo yes, you should have the freedom to do "dumb" shit, just like you have the freedom to make extreme analogies
(DIR) Post #ArDjNwaZy9qJbFT0ee by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:23:55.285615Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @lxo there is, as always, a gap between the autistic technician and the common person.
(DIR) Post #ArDjXP77Hg3ofrCGjA by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:25:37.677307Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @mischievoustomato @yomiel @lxo what's the other side that makes an entirely proprietary bios better than a partially proprietary one with potential for reverse engineering the rest?
(DIR) Post #ArDjaEnM6apVXXIyMS by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T20:26:08.127119Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @yomiel @lxo The side does not matter. If you get salty over an optional _option_ to include binary blobs like updated microcode to the point that you fork upstream's months old version, you are just stupid in my eyes. There's no way in changing that. If it was some dispute over the maintainer not letting you contribute, then it's a completely different thing, but that did _not_ happen. The driving force behind the first initial fork is the optional ability of updating already _broken_ and _insecure_ software running on your CPU directly.It's just a way of conforming to the hilariously bad FSF's policy on upgradeable firmware.
(DIR) Post #ArDjaNmyfMsJQyCIWO by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:21:46.933808Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeety much. I like FOSS, most of the things I use are foss, but I prefer to be pragmatic, using whatever thing that works teh best for me. As a result, my browser is chrome, my os is nixos, my audio production software is 100% foss or 99% foss (one autotune plugin I have is not foss, only used when needed), and so on.
(DIR) Post #ArDjkcl9rPj2lDEJLU by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:23:10.310150Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo I don't like having to depend on the state for this shit
(DIR) Post #ArDjpWNwzHnERGi4NU by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:28:51.299Z
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@Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br Potential doesn't mean anything if this potential is not realized.Also the image you refer to was about WiFi chips. And it was about firmware on chip (not upgradable, so not technically software) vs. firmware from the kernel (upgradable, but proprietary).If we went by potential literally anything could potentially be free with enough reverse engineering effort. Why not slap a RYF sticker on literally any proprietary hardware ever made at that point? It has potential!
(DIR) Post #ArDjxauA4GeMlxcr0C by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:30:19.084Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br Libreboot does not make binary blobs optional.It makes them the default option and actively encourages people to use them.This is obviously unacceptable for a GNU project.
(DIR) Post #ArDk5uqRoaHGvrrAqu by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:31:49.572Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br Libreboot is literally saying "Hey you should install proprietary software instead! It supports more hardware! It's better!"How could the GNU project ever endorse this and not be hypocritical?
(DIR) Post #ArDkA8PvIOjiBTSgsq by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:32:37.896640Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @mischievoustomato @yomiel @lxo from what I hear it was at least once, and that doesn't change that cutting support for a machine does not make it more free.and no I don't think the FSF would try to reverse engineer drivers for machines they'd rather leave to the vendor BIOS.
(DIR) Post #ArDkHZ3WeTjqpVWoTY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:33:56.000Z
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@Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br I know many people on the GNU project who are actively working on reverse engineering projects for various hardware.I don't know where you get the idea that the idea "I don't think the FSF would try to reverse engineer drivers" from.
(DIR) Post #ArDkP8gkZKmnMyUGEC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:35:17.664Z
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@Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br And just to be clear the GNU project and FSF are separate entities and the FSF does not develop software, it does activism. The GNU project develops and reverse engineers software.
(DIR) Post #ArDkQZT0Udfui7k2fA by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:35:36.053191Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @gabi @SuperDicq @lxo reading Augustine??
(DIR) Post #ArDkUkgQjTJ0el0v2m by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T20:36:05.363061Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo In almost all cases I see that most users dont really benefit much from free software other than getting shit for free, almost every typical computer user CANT:- write code- compile code- package codeand most users dont understand- the computer- how the computer works- how software lisences effect the end userhell from the first 3 points most users gain nothing from free software because in of its own self it is a black box of black boxes that the user has NO idea how it works and has very little hope of beginning to understand what the hell the box does in the first place.most users want their shit to work, not some gobbledygook ""freedom"" stuff on top, because to 99% of computer users, that stuff is meaningless.
(DIR) Post #ArDkamYuezW6DkNCFc by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:37:26.792750Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @phnt @mischievoustomato @yomiel @lxo because the attitude is "don't use that hardware chud"
(DIR) Post #ArDkgaiFd2tNCxVjmq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:38:26.578Z
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@theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br Not fighting for your ideals because some people don't care about them is the worst reason to not do that ever.
(DIR) Post #ArDkjHKy7gUrz6u0BM by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T20:38:34.735987Z
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@yomiel @Cyrillic @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @lxo @menherahair @phnt in effect, free software becomes more restricting because, lets face it, the only areas where theres significant man hours put into it is software that has some kind of direct developer benifit, or software that has had some kind of corporate backing. Because ultimately, to make anything happen, you need to fund it and community donations is never enough to keep a project with a development team of 1
(DIR) Post #ArDks9sfDQFZSstg3s by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:37:52.341832Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo even people that can code could end up burned out eventually. There's a good number of programmers that went from linux to macOS.
(DIR) Post #ArDksAdSPRgFo0n2zw by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T20:40:18.120404Z
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@mischievoustomato @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo i mean thats not really related to the point im postulatingthe point im trying to make is that 90% of the benefits that free software gives, the average user *cannot* fundamentally understand because it needs literal years of learning to understand, let alone that it is impossible for a single person to maintain an operating system that works with *modern* requirements
(DIR) Post #ArDkth7r63qirVjeQi by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-02-17T20:40:49.280Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br There's a good number of programmers that went from linux to macOS.Source: I made it upGNU/Linux "marketshare" is higher than ever before. If you actually really care about what other people use.I personally don't let what is popular affect my personal preferences tho.
(DIR) Post #ArDl2AtWIivFVN4d72 by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:42:23.818156Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo @mischievoustomato not since Terry Davis died at least
(DIR) Post #ArDlBg4tjMzspDvX7Y by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-02-17T20:44:05.949386Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @yomiel @lxo Hey you should not install this more free software replacement, instead you should just use the fully proprietary one.See how stupid this take is? And of course you again, perhaps intentionally, miss the point about CPU microcode. You are _already_ running one. And it _is_ broken, but in the name of conforming to FSF's policy of "no ability in updating embedded firmware means free, updating said broken embedded firmware means not free", you instead choose to run _broken_ software with zero advantages over not updating it, other than FSF stamp of approval.
(DIR) Post #ArDlC4DvxQU9iCL5XM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:42:35.559140Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @theorytoe @phnt @Cyrillic @yomiel @lxo not a good source, but it's what I read online, and considering how my experience has been, I eventually will be part of that number.
(DIR) Post #ArDlC5FO9VF8t01lRY by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:44:10.373705Z
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@mischievoustomato @theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo both my parents went that way also.
(DIR) Post #ArDlGgrsDmMyitE1Uu by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T20:44:45.614332Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo @mischievoustomato >not since Terry Davis died at leastagain, you cant use templeos any sort of ""modern"" task that most computer users need to get done in current era
(DIR) Post #ArDlSoarK7aK9t33Ng by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T20:47:13.173504Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo @mischievoustomato I'm thinking if templeos wasn't tainted by schizophrenia and such
(DIR) Post #ArDlVVmJjaykfmh3vU by gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T20:45:44.970792Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo >Normie doesn't value their freedomChocolate for the news.
(DIR) Post #ArDlVWvZSfyWEm1xzM by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T20:47:13.962355Z
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@gabi @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo write an os from scratch with all the software needed to accomplish filing taxes and THEN come and talk about normies not caring about their freedom
(DIR) Post #ArDllB02kxuSrXaEd6 by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T20:50:06.228606Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo @mischievoustomato i mean even then, theres still a shitton of stuff you would have to re-implement from scratch in order to get something workingmost hobby oses cant run reliably on bare metal because of how complex hardware in the modern era has become. Being able to write firmware that works well with that is a tall order, so much so that even free software implementations of such are struggling with that despite having an entire os to work with.
(DIR) Post #ArDmX1iaZHt3ybEgqW by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-02-17T20:45:42.396046Z
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@Cyrillic @theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo I've a friend that is a software engineer, has a good number of linux servers for his self hosted shit, but runs macOS, says that he'll consider using linux if Apple fucks up macOS in a way taht is irreparable for him, and I always tell him to pray that doesn't happen because linux is... a bruh moment
(DIR) Post #ArDn4Tf5hBQKCLYBKy by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T21:05:13.393131Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo @mischievoustomato fair enough, I was thinking that he was most of the way to a functional OS but I know very little about hardware as that's lower-level than my uni program.
(DIR) Post #ArDnKQUfF5jJ0PHJtQ by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:08:06.427355Z
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@Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @gabi @SuperDicq @lxo Yeah. Confessions is a good book. It's my sincere belief that Christians were different back then, truly searching for truth in the world. You can hear it the whole time, he wishes to understand the world further. A far cry (3) from Christians today.
(DIR) Post #ArDnXiD6gPI9iZOvvU by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:10:30.042360Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo Highly disagree. EVERYONE benefits when software is free. If game technologies were completely free, they'd probably be more advanced by now. Non-free software is not just restrictive to the user, but stifles innovation and advancement. Free software is, without exception, free-er, safer and more secure. Usually only less advanced due to lacking the monetary backing of a company or state.
(DIR) Post #ArDngocSDygcCVb8jo by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:12:09.208980Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo @mischievoustomato Who said free software was about self-sufficiency? Free software has ALWAYS been a collaborative effort.
(DIR) Post #ArDni28zQQH8R8OgMa by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T21:12:11.171753Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo collectively? Yes absolutely there would be benifit for everyone, but im talking about the individual case, especially in the context of hardware blobs
(DIR) Post #ArDnjswCcnNUSmIatk by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:12:41.626660Z
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@SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @menherahair @theorytoe @phnt @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato @lxo It's true, sadly. Many coders especially in universities are MacOS users.
(DIR) Post #ArDnlvfxPqqPXAfui0 by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2025-02-17T21:12:50.167469Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo @mischievoustomato the the primary arguing point should not be "it gives you freedoms"
(DIR) Post #ArDntRnsMe4FCfxokS by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:14:26.093143Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo @mischievoustomato I don't want to buy a car I can't repair, even if modern engines are far more complex than those of the past.
(DIR) Post #ArDnwPJm3tJoMbINNI by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:14:58.239304Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo Sure, I'd recommend running a free one for security reasons, more than anything.
(DIR) Post #ArDoctWc8ufMDBYp4y by gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T21:20:29.653175Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo Are you referring to the "Christians", belonging to a church that began straying into heresy since the Third Council of Toledo assembled in 589 AD? They are enemies of Christ.
(DIR) Post #ArDocud22XOTdNZSim by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2025-02-17T21:22:38.304920Z
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@gabi @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo
(DIR) Post #ArDotX8scAsRiQORMW by Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com
2025-02-17T21:25:39.384465Z
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@yomiel @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @gabi @SuperDicq @lxo interesting, I was intending on reading Isidore to get a grasp on what that time period was like, I know after Luther it was dogma all the way down, if not altogether apathy to truth, but not much about before him.
(DIR) Post #ArDpBFEruy51Oxdj8a by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T21:27:34Z
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both are nonfree (when you combine something that respects your freedom with something that takes it away, you get something that takes it away), and both will remain nonfree because of unbreakable hardware locks even if you succeeded at reverse engineering. me, I choose a free bios because then it won't be an agent for someone who's attempting to control me through my computing, and it won't open the door to enshittification through unwanted changes. https://www.lx.oliva.nom.br/#UnshittifyCC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
(DIR) Post #ArDpqRbspK21dw3Aau by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T21:35:05Z
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it's accurate. the FSF is an advocacy, fundraising and organizing organization. it's the primary sponsor of the GNU project, that does primarily software development and organizing towards software development. I'm not saying it had to be like that, but that's the way it is. under this arrangement, it wouldn't be the FSF doing the reverse engineering, it would be GNU doing it, whether through volunteers or not.but reverse engineering is too often wasted effort: even if you succeed, by the time you're done, odds are that the hardware will already be obsolete. it's good to get more hardware that can be used in freedom, but it's far more effective to do that by convincing hardware developers and software users that it's in their own interest for the software to be free than racing after a fake rabbit that would ensure we're always years behindCC: @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
(DIR) Post #ArDqRy5347Qh3xaIz2 by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T21:41:50Z
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there's an analogous fallacy about freedom of the press: that since you don't write for newspapers, you don't benefit from freedom of the press. it's easier to tell how foolish it is there, because more people understand the implications of censorship of the press than of control through softwareCC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
(DIR) Post #ArDrZMK1Qza2EBg0ae by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T21:51:31Z
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your wish is granted: https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/anuncio/2023-05-IRPF-Livre-2023.en.htmlwe don't publish announcements about it every year, but we've maintained it since 2007CC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
(DIR) Post #ArDrgmB3hdjaRb1LU0 by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-02-17T21:55:49Z
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it's not so hard to understand that with nonfree software your only resort to get a software changed is the original developer, whereas with free software you can announce an intent to hire whoever can help you change it so that it does what you wish, is it? that nonfree software promotes a colonial culture, in which you wouldn't even think of changing the software to suit your needs, is part of our upstream battle, but it only renders freedom apparently irrelevant to those who fall in that mental trapCC: @menherahair@eientei.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
(DIR) Post #ArEjcR3TgirVIir0am by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-18T08:01:13.200513Z
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@mischievoustomato @menherahair @phnt @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo >has pushed people away from anything foss, lolYes, I proudly push people away from corporate bootlicking and towards freedom instead.
(DIR) Post #ArElrmhDi2nKfgtEQq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-18T08:26:23.804785Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @gabi @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo >write an os from scratch with all the software needed to accomplish filing taxesWhy would you go through all such effort when it already exists?; https://www.gnu.org/software/gnucash/If you feel that GNU is lacking in any way when it comes to tax filing, it'll be far easier to make the required improvement and send in the patch rather than writing everything from scratch.
(DIR) Post #ArElvMRdFmEaPdIuxM by gabi@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-17T21:03:34.963686Z
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@theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @Suiseiseki @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo The problem comes from the government, not from free software. The requirement to use proprietary software to file taxes is a state-imposed restriction, not a technical limitation of free software. That said, there is no need to create an operating system from scratch, as without this restriction, a GNU tool running on the GNU operating system could be used to file taxes without running proprietary software.The government wants you to use proprietary software. Nothing new again.
(DIR) Post #ArEm5EiSqJL1L3t09w by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-18T08:28:47.010388Z
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@lxo @Cyrillic @menherahair @phnt @SuperDicq @yomiel @mischievoustomato >unbreakable hardware locksA lock can be unlocked and locked by the user, those are rather unbreakable RSA hardware handcuffs.
(DIR) Post #ArEmBYencFKGvDBbs0 by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
2025-02-18T08:30:00.230272Z
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@Suiseiseki @theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @gabi @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo wait, what even is the difference between gnucash and gnumeric?
(DIR) Post #ArEmtSvwG0Otuc8jUe by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-18T08:37:54.603191Z
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@EdBoatConnoisseur @theorytoe @menherahair @phnt @gabi @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @lxo GNUcash is accounting and financing software and supports the import of data files from other financing software and transaction records from banks.GNUmeric is accurate spreadsheet software, although you could use for accounting and financing if you wanted to.There is no reason why governments couldn't accept data records from GNUcash or a spreadsheet from GNUmeric for a tax return, but many proprietary masters command the government to make tax filing possible only with their proprietary software, so they can make immense profit and dodge taxes themselves.
(DIR) Post #ArEoq3AzlUYL4EgJtI by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-18T08:59:38.113411Z
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@phnt @menherahair @Cyrillic @SuperDicq @yomiel @lxo @mischievoustomato >miss the point about CPU microcode. You are _already_ running one.maskROM cannot be changed by anyone, therefore it is not software.Yes, there is some hardware that I'm using, but there is no proprietary license attached to that hardware and I can do whatever I want with it.There are a handful of ARM SoC's that work with free software that don't use microcode if you are really worried about such proprietary hardware.>but in the name of conforming to FSF's policyI have no hardware that is RYF approved.The reason I don't install proprietary software microcode updates is because they're proprietary software that is clearly also proprietary malware looking at the proprietary license it's under; Copyright (c) 2018 Intel Corporation.All rights reserved.Redistribution.Redistribution and use in binary form, without modification, are permitted,provided that the following conditions are met:1. Redistributions must reproduce the above copyright notice and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.2. Neither the name of Intel Corporation nor the names of its suppliers may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.3. No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software is permitted."Binary form" includes any format that is commonly used for electronicconveyance that is a reversible, bit-exact translation of binaryrepresentation to ASCII or ISO text, for example "uuencode".DISCLAIMER.THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS"AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THEIMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSEARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BELIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, ORCONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OFSUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESSINTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER INCONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE)ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THEPOSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.Proprietary software is always unacceptable, even if it happens to execute in a different way than normal.>And it _is_ brokenI'm not so weak that I care about rare crashes.Provided you don't love wasting time by watching slop videos for more than a few minutes, you won't face any issues with stability on GNUbooted thinkpads.Meanwhile, KGPE-D16 systems are rock-solid stable without any proprietary software updates, as AMD's CPUs for that time are of decent quality.>no ability in updating embedded firmware means free, updating said broken embedded firmware means not freeFirmware is socketed ROM chips.MaskROM is hardware and proprietary hardware that cannot be changed by anyone is not a software freedom issue.Installing proprietary software updates is installing proprietary software.>you instead choose to run _broken_ software with zero advantages over not updating itI choose to use slightly defective hardware rather than surrendering my freedom to proprietary software updates that obviously contain malware.I won't hesitate to install free software microcode updates that I'm confident aren't malware.
(DIR) Post #ArGdzyTxMWNqE004HI by deadheat@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-18T17:07:18.346347Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @waifu Is the Orenji operating system free software?
(DIR) Post #ArGdzzOfxdkn3uXMga by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-02-19T06:07:37.652646Z
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@deadheat @SuperDicq @waifu That's clearly a parody of windows 7, therefore it is proprietary software.