Post Ar6CyomlHwMRWCQA0e by autolycus@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #Ar58H44wTPPREVqWFE by phoronix@masto.ai
2025-02-13T16:09:05Z
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Hector Martin Resigns From The Asahi Linux ProjectLast week Hector Martin resigned from upstream maintainership of the Apple Silicon code for the Linux kernel. At the time he was still going to contribute to the Asahi Linux project's downstream kernel but in a surprise move today, he has decided to resign as project leader of Asahi Linux...https://www.phoronix.com/news/Hector-Martin-Resigns-Asahi
(DIR) Post #Ar59hFPt2fYhscgwOu by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-13T17:06:20Z
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@phoronix Nothing of value was lost, my stance on Asahi Linux remains the same: https://m0xEE.Net/gemlog/posts/2024-09-05-asahi-linux-is-pointless.gmiIt's a waste of effort that'd better be used elsewhere, nowadays we have plenty of hardware that's way more open than that of Apple, and hardware based on reverse-engineering effort would always remain far from perfect.
(DIR) Post #Ar5Ua70tz3jUpSRaOO by bria@nerdculture.de
2025-02-13T21:00:16Z
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@m0xeeCool...So you said your in no position to have an opinion what people do in their spare time, but you write 2000 words to judge exactly that.A typical example of an apophasis...@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar5W88wVPxykc0B9A8 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-13T21:17:42Z
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@bria And? I'm not chasing the members of Asahi project around the Internet telling them what to do, I'm expressing myown opinion on my own gemlog.There is nothing wrong with 2000 — or any number of words for that matter when I'm elaborating on the opinion I have expressed on Fedi to the one who was never involved with Asahi project.You are confusing the right to have an opinion with imposing said opinion on others 🤷@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar5ajHTj2oVfcHgIGO by bria@nerdculture.de
2025-02-13T22:09:10Z
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@m0xeeYou're posting on a news to a project to say "I decide that this project is a bad project and everyone that works on it lose their times and act against (true or useful) opensource". That in substance what I understood of your blog and post.So perhaps you doesn't want to chase the membres, but from my point of view it's pretty close.In addition, I always have difficulty with peoples which decide for other or for "the open-source" what is good or bad.I'm an adept of diversity, and I love when something like doing something that i would not do, because it can find things I would never have tought.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar5iDz6u5NqBIyatnc by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-13T23:33:13Z
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@briaThis news feed is unrelated to them and I'm not attempting to discourage them — neither am I in position to prevent them from their reverse-engineering effort — that is isn't the problem IMO. Their promise that those who buy ARM-based Macs today will get a well-supported machine in the future is! Based on my experience with Apple, reverse engineered technology and support for Linux on non-open hardware, I think this promise is unlikely to get delivered on.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar5igCcbRdQFJlsPWy by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-13T23:38:17Z
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@briaThose who fall for this implied promise are (in broader sense) the target audience of my post, not Asahi! I'd rather see people helping RISC-V succeed or support open ARM-based computers such as MNT Reform — because I think we would all benefit more from that than from supporting highly-customised, closed and poorly serviceable hardware that are ARM-based Macs.Again, I might be wrong and I'd be willing to admit it, but the linked news article confirms…@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar5iqo1pDoyYEFjKYi by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-13T23:40:14Z
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@bria …one of the points from my post dated *last September* : the novelty and excitement from the initial success fades and at the same time the visible progress stalls — it doesn't take hating them to see it, it's just what is likely to happen to such an ambitious reverse-engineering effort without proper support from the hardware maker.The worst thing you can accuse me of is this "told you so" — but I assure you there are plenty of things worse than that.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6CyomlHwMRWCQA0e by autolycus@fosstodon.org
2025-02-14T05:17:46Z
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@m0xee @phoronix Most of my computers are Macs and none of them run macOS. They literally cannot run macOS unless I use an ancient version.10+ years ago, I would run macOS as my primary OS and I would dual boot into Linux (mostly just to teach myself Linux). Linux was. . .not great. Things like trackpad support, going to sleep, etc. were just broken.Thanks to the efforts of Linux developers who prioritized the Mac, these issues are now resolved and my computers continue to be useful.
(DIR) Post #Ar6W1os9Jttxmm5NAW by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T08:51:16Z
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@autolycus Most of my hardware is also Apple hardware, you don't have to tell me what it is. Even 10 years ago this hardware was supported better than average PC hardware because it was the same commodity hardware based on Intel chipsets. And we have e.g. hardware video decoding support not because someone reverse-engineered it on their spare time, but because a qualified engineer on Intel's payroll *with access to the spec* have contributed it.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6WenhlaujfSUoi36 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T08:58:18Z
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@autolycus The MacBook Pro I'm typing this on has Broadcom wireless adapter that has an opensource reverse-engineered driver and a proprietary one from Broadcom and the former is not useable — it can associate with a wireless network, but it's not something I would use on a daily basis. It's a 2011 MacBook and reverse-engineered driver *NEVER* caught up, I'm speaking from experience here.Should I explain why it would be worse in case with ARM-based Macs?@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6XvmaJ73TqrRzOnQ by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T09:12:35Z
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@autolycus In case with these Macs there would be no Intel engineer and no driver from original hardware maker!It would always remain a best effort implementation from someone who might abandon the project sooner or later: people burn out, people can simply change hobbies — this isn't something new, this is happening all the time. They have no obligations to support your hardware.People should stop fooling themselves into thinking that this works.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6Y4fR93cXvIawMVs by dcc@annihilation.social
2025-02-14T09:14:09.109904Z
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@m0xee @autolycus @phoronix This is the current issuse with arm being the second isa spec, rsic-v avoids this becuase every company seems to not want to do the same thing arm did.
(DIR) Post #Ar6YJf7oUzfkfx33Uu by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T09:16:54Z
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@autolycus If you wan't Linux-compatible hardware that won't turn into landfill — support open hardware. In the late nineties and early 2000s we had to rely on reverse-engineered drivers because we didn't have a choice — not anymore, we have plethora of hardware designed to run Linux — buy that instead of giving your money to the company that makes hardware increasingly less open.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6a5RnzQNPpDf7q9A by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T09:36:45Z
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@autolycus And if you think I'm making up a pure hypothetical case here, I'm not: I've seen a person here on Fedi asking why they should buy a more expensive MNT Reform and not an older, but still supported M1 Mac — this person was genuinely thinking that Asahi Linux would enable them to use this hardware well with Linux, a lot of people don't realise that they won't have support for external displays or microphone input — and a lot of people do want that.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6arFUeVF6Ww0sFVo by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T09:45:22Z
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@autolycus So what happens next? The person buys this Mac, can't use it with Linux properly — but hey, shouldn't be a problem, there is macOS, right? So they switch back to that. But by Apple's standards this hardware is already pretty old — and in a few years they end up with hardware with an unsupported OS on their hands that also has half-assed Linux support — they can't use either so they buy new hardware, some would even buy new Apple hardware.@phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar6b04vV9ybClgdunw by m0xee@social.librem.one
2025-02-14T09:46:58Z
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@autolycus That is the problem with Asahi — not their reverse-engineering efforts, but creating this illusion, this promise that they have no obligation to deliver on, and incentivising people to buy Apple hardware instead of supporting nice people who make open hardware possible.If anything, this means more e-waste, not less of it. @phoronix
(DIR) Post #Ar8MLx4VvxbvmXkZKy by autolycus@fosstodon.org
2025-02-15T06:12:15Z
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@m0xee @phoronix I don't think it makes sense to purchase Mac hardware right now with the hopes that Asahi will fulfill its promise. I'm just hoping that when those Mac users think their perfectly good hardware is old that the hardware can be sold and become useful.I don't suspect it's common for someone to have a MNT and a MacBook as their two options.Will Asahi reach its goals? I dunno, but I see it as a worthwhile effort, even if it's just a fun technical challenge.