Post AoO5ZBFSxY7Nxvb7Am by walterburns@toot.community
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(DIR) Post #AoO5Luj74lowxY8fce by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T02:40:52Z
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Most people are focused on Google potentially being forced to sell Chrome, but completely missing that Google could also be banned from paying companies like Apple hundreds of millions to be the default search engine on there deviced.It's unclear to me if this could also apply to browser competitors like Mozilla
(DIR) Post #AoO5ZBFSxY7Nxvb7Am by walterburns@toot.community
2024-11-25T02:43:14Z
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@BrodieOnLinux many ripple effects are yet to considered by media and critical thinkers like us who are in the know of the tech industry Let’s see how this all unfolds
(DIR) Post #AoO5vRSzLEuGdUXOqG by notsle@kzoo.to
2024-11-25T02:47:16Z
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@BrodieOnLinux In 2022, 81% of Mozilla's revenue came from Google. So this could be catastrophic to Mozilla and Firefox.
(DIR) Post #AoO6OUCGGmeJV9YyJM by enthusiast101@fosstodon.org
2024-11-25T02:52:30Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Honestly, I think this needs to happen. Big monopolies always cause disruptions when busted. It'll only get worse by putting it off.Mozilla will likely be impacted, but I have a feeling they will survive. Maybe by doing search deals with other players (potentially multiple non exclusive deals). That or by actually paying the top execs a sane amount. They may even have to scale down the extra stuff they are doing. If they can't survive, then hopefully webkit becomes more popular
(DIR) Post #AoO9Fp8tKBzRifY22y by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:24:35Z
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Oh yeah also being forced to "provide publishers, websites, and content creators with data crawling rights (such as the ability to opt out of having their content crawled for the index or training of large language models or displayed as AI-generated content)"
(DIR) Post #AoO9LhwR0hu17jWjo0 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:25:38Z
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For anyone curious feel free to give executive summary of the court filing a read https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223205/gov.uscourts.dcd.223205.1062.0.pdf
(DIR) Post #AoO9XpAZxiRp14v8cK by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:27:49Z
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@mjdxp Mozilla needs to either stream line there business, or they're cooked. It also states that Google wouldn't be able to work on another browser for 5 years. I assume this would also mean that they need to completely pull out of the Chromium project
(DIR) Post #AoOAUJhabLMIVUFhU8 by a1ba@suya.place
2024-11-25T03:38:18.510924Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I wish they were being forced to sell Android.
(DIR) Post #AoOAVWHzHwRXpnqoUa by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:38:37Z
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@a1ba That's potentially part of the sale
(DIR) Post #AoOAYrfCH90KzjIluK by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:39:13Z
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@mjdxp But would they want to take on that project in the public when they could continue using Chromium internally and get the same result
(DIR) Post #AoOAyWLi8zlIQ1QAvA by a1ba@suya.place
2024-11-25T03:43:48.102428Z
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@BrodieOnLinux that would be much more interesting to Chrome personally. I just hate what Google made with it. Manifest V3 isn't a big deal compared to random restrictions Google pulled off to Android, like not being able to access filesystem efficiently or forcing developers to compromise they app signing keys to Play Store.
(DIR) Post #AoOBRSFMTYe85qFR5s by a1ba@suya.place
2024-11-25T03:49:01.517119Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Chrome isn't a big deal, you can always use some other browser, even many Chrome based browsers doesn't even follow what Google to do with it. It basically costs you zero money to switch to something else.But on the same time many Android devices are locked down so much that the only way to regain some of the control is buying another device. That not really Google's problem, but everything in Android ecosystem have to follow Google's rules on API and publishing software.
(DIR) Post #AoOBit9NhbAqSKlQLw by a1ba@suya.place
2024-11-25T03:52:09.578383Z
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@BrodieOnLinux in other words, even vendors with highly customized Android forks have to be compatible at some degree. If Google implements Scoped Storage, everybody else have to do the same and even if they don't, that's where app developers wouldn't really bother with vendor-specific Android API extensions.
(DIR) Post #AoOBkjFLUlgKJqQnTc by lunduke@linuxrocks.online
2024-11-25T03:52:31Z
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@BrodieOnLinux That part is almost a certainty if you read both the proposed final judgment as well as the judge’s rulings.Been talking about that for quite a while. ;)https://youtu.be/Avh9u31AgXo
(DIR) Post #AoOBzHJRdQug1lHo5w by danherbert@mastodon.social
2024-11-25T03:53:39Z
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@mjdxp @BrodieOnLinux The more plausible-sounding solution I've seen floated is to spin Chrome off into an independent company, with Google/Microsoft/etc still existing as contributors to the project (similar to how Mozilla operate), but not with complete control as they have now. There would have to be specifics worked out, but my guess is that if Chrome spun off it would look something like that.
(DIR) Post #AoOBzIJptSov9GTdLM by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:55:12Z
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@danherbert @mjdxp I can't imagine that Google would actually let themselves sell Chrome. I could see this being a possibility
(DIR) Post #AoOCEIdUzr8eTYpT6m by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T03:57:55Z
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@lunduke I think Mozilla has a possibility to survive under Laura Chambers, she seems a lot more willing to burn everything to the ground to have a new Mozilla rise from the ashes. I don't think this would have been possible under the prior leadership
(DIR) Post #AoOD9q4nL5QChA28NU by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-11-25T04:08:17Z
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@immibis @mjdxp Thunderbird is a very special case where Mozilla simply did not see the value of the project, Thunderbird is only connected to Mozilla because it uses Mozilla tech at this point
(DIR) Post #AoOEW6Uz3sNbxASoTI by lunduke@linuxrocks.online
2024-11-25T04:23:27Z
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@BrodieOnLinux It’s entirely possible.Mozilla leadership has made it clear that their future is not Firefox — their focus is on AI, Advertisement Brokering, Data Collection and that whole “Feminist, LGBTQIA+, Decolonial Climate Change using AI” thing.Is there profit in that strategy? They’ve got 9 months to figure that out.
(DIR) Post #AoPXFGpcm1UedpGCvo by Geniusak@social.vivaldi.net
2024-11-25T19:28:05Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I mean that's just robots.txt, which Google already respects, mainly because they're so dominant almost no one blocks them