Post Any6MGHvxUgbfyCJHM by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #AnoLLC7nVaeeCmo3Ki by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T20:50:24Z
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Wow, a 10G switch for 200USD from Mikrotik.And it makes me think, I was planning to put fibers in the walls of my future house, but with such products maybe I could just go with copper? Handling copper cables is easier than fiber, I could do the ends myself and would not be afraid of bending etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zooc6soHJU#mikrotik #networking
(DIR) Post #AnoLTSyejd9qmzTUo4 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T20:51:54Z
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And if I ever buy network equipment with SFP+, there are those 10G RJ-45 to SFP+ modules. Hmm....Help me out crew 😅
(DIR) Post #AnoNLvxbIDuCGnW7Bg by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:12:57Z
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And CAT6A cable is 0.75EUR per meter when buying in bulk? I can live with thatAlso, FTP cable? Can I have one for HTTP too? xD
(DIR) Post #AnoNZWy70aD6oVEvWS by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:15:24Z
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If Apple was making Ethernet cables, you would need to pay extra for the cable to be compatible with ports above 79.
(DIR) Post #AnoOAj8oiIxTHTz2MS by mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-11-07T21:22:06Z
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@stfn not enough ports for any serious setup. My wallet was almost armed
(DIR) Post #AnoONJ84jjpMN3dSUq by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:24:24Z
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@mms Yes, for many cases 4 ports would not be enough. For the network plans I currently have in my head, it would work, combined with a 2.5Gb switch for devices that won't even be able to use 10G
(DIR) Post #AnoOzTExanAcjZ3Mi8 by mijndert@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:31:18Z
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@stfn I wanted to send an email today but couldn’t find my SMTP cable.
(DIR) Post #AnoPddc6RbCGUP20Tw by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:38:34Z
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@mijndert I think you should just POP to a store for one, maybe even buy 3
(DIR) Post #AnoPl0sCMcc4ef4oW8 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:39:52Z
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@Szescstopni I heard those live mostly underground
(DIR) Post #AnoQtgtS7LK9FVMgqW by dcz@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:52:39Z
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@stfn Hand Turned Twisted Pair?
(DIR) Post #AnoR2GNc3zxbcoYm4u by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T21:54:13Z
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@dcz Yes, but it's also ok to use a spinning wheel for it
(DIR) Post #AnoSpAw5C18EstZOQy by hrafn@noc.social
2024-11-07T22:14:07Z
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@stfn Future proofing... Do one fiber and one copper run (minimum). Powerwise, fiber is cheaper than copper in kw/h (https://www.servethehome.com/mikrotik-crs304-4xg-in-review-this-is-a-must-have-10gbase-t-marvell-switch/).If you do fiber runs (SingleMode/MultiMode) you can choose the speeds you want (1/10/25/40G) down the road. Without requiring to upgrade the cabling.I agree. Ethernet is more versatile in day-to-day use. At the additional cost of higher purchase prices of the NICs and switches.For speeds 10G and above. Fiber solutions are really your only optoin.
(DIR) Post #AnpJMGbqJa9jeZCfBY by gryzor@fosstodon.org
2024-11-08T08:02:54Z
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@stfn if Apple was making Ethernet cables, they'd be extremely expensive thunderbolt over 9000 and you'd need to buy dongles to use them.
(DIR) Post #AnpL0SEAdbxdDwrDwe by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-08T08:21:22Z
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@gryzor good thing that does not happen in real life... amirite...?
(DIR) Post #AnpLC9k9BhJzN4OUwS by gryzor@fosstodon.org
2024-11-08T08:23:29Z
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@stfn never! ;)
(DIR) Post #AnuMPuxe13d1K6dIga by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2024-11-10T18:30:41Z
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@stfn I _personally_ prefer fiber depending on the use-case.Yes, it's more fragile than copper (altho with an armored cable, it's not a huge deal imho) but it gives me more flexibility down the road.Now it isn't very common that you'll be upgrading beyond 10G but being able to just keep the existing cables in place (especially the ones in the walls) makes it a lot easier if you (for some reason) decide to go for 40G or even 100G.Also, I'm European so we live in our houses a *long* time so we generally don't say "by that time I'll have a new house".Generally I stick to the following system:- Copper: Short, easy to access runs (eg. switch on the desk to PC) *or* devices that cannot use fiber (eg. Raspberry Pi, wifi point or desktop without NIC accepting the fiber).- Fiber: Longer or more difficult to access runs between devices that can use fiber (eg. switches and routers).- DAC: Devices in the same spot (eg. rack) that can use them (eg. NAS, servers, switches etc.)
(DIR) Post #AnucbEGaB4tpeMuGvI by dfraser@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-11-10T21:32:02Z
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@stfn you need a big laser to do PoE with fibre
(DIR) Post #AnxcwmJJNftKn7L2Js by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-12T08:20:05Z
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@hrafn Thanks, do you have experience with fiber?
(DIR) Post #Anxd2kLDcDGSQB4mf2 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-12T08:21:10Z
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@finlaydag33k Thanks! Do you have experience with fiber? My main concern with it is that I would not be able to make my own cables, and would need to buy ones already with SFP modules at the ends, and somehow put them in the walls
(DIR) Post #Anxd43Qg8ElDuZFmuu by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-12T08:21:25Z
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@dfraser Finally a good use for my backyard huge lasert!
(DIR) Post #Any1JeGhqRG7PSYeTA by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2024-11-12T12:53:03Z
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@stfn Yes, I use fiber a lot internally. :pYou _generally_ just get a cable that's the right length and has the right plug on it.A common one is called "SC/APC".You buy the SFP modules separately and plug the fiber into it (and the module into the device).You probably won't be able to make the exact length of cable (so for shorter runs you want really tidy it's not as useful) but it's not that hard to lay down the cable.Just make sure to get *armored* cable as these are more resistant to bending (and thus breaking the fiber) and a possible mouse trying to monch it.
(DIR) Post #Any4C1Ypezp3CB5mb2 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-12T13:25:23Z
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@finlaydag33k Hmmm, that explains a lot! I was afraid I would need to buy cables with SFP modules already soldered at the ends.So, I could buy this cable:https://fibermarkt.com/pl/patchcordy-i-akcesoria/patchcord-lc-upc-lc-upc-mm-om3-duplex-30m.htmland use it with those modules:https://www.cyberbajt.pl/produkt/19663/mikrotik-xs85lc01d-modul-125g-sfp-10g-sfp-25g.htmlAnd plug it into my future RB5009UG+S+IN on one end, and some switch on the other end?
(DIR) Post #Any4PO8x0ghGzyMJqi by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2024-11-12T13:27:42Z
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@stfn Yes, that should work.And in the future, if you want to upgrade to say, 40gbps, you'd just swap out the modules and switches without needing to replace the cable.
(DIR) Post #Any6F8Bxf7HQXS0IbY by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-12T13:48:20Z
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@finlaydag33k Awesome, thank you, you have helped me a lot!
(DIR) Post #Any6MGHvxUgbfyCJHM by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2024-11-12T13:49:35Z
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@stfn No problem. :)It should go without say tho: Plug in the fibers _before_ plugging in the modules and never peek into the wire (not even indirectly).Stay safe!
(DIR) Post #Any9oi1girwRfsr4u8 by stfn@fosstodon.org
2024-11-12T14:28:23Z
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@finlaydag33k yep, lasers are terrifying