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(DIR) Post #AnuhkAQCLFxK6PUAEK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T22:29:39Z
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In alien encounter stories I can't think of any instance where the aliens are scared. Even when they are only 4 foot tall. I think I've seen it in short stories, but I'm thinking more of the campfire "true encounters" The aliens are always enigmatic, or all knowing, or hostile and powerful. Never startled, fleeing, terrified of one of the more dangerous animals on the planet.
(DIR) Post #AnuhuI4GlfYsiG3WEq by freequaybuoy@mastodon.social
2024-11-10T22:31:26Z
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@futurebird E.T? (Though he's more enigmatic). Pratchett's Bromeliad trilogy is interesting too.
(DIR) Post #AnuhzUJIg6ua87Z4N6 by CStamp@mastodon.social
2024-11-10T22:32:23Z
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@futurebird If you had the technology to go to another planet, would you be afraid of folk who didn't even have a moon base?
(DIR) Post #Anui29r1BqvHYTbpKq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T22:32:54Z
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@CStamp Yes.
(DIR) Post #AnuiD3g4UjplaHgd7o by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-11-10T22:34:50Z
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@futurebird It's been a long while since I've seen E.T. but the titular alien was scared of everyone except Elliot.
(DIR) Post #AnuiFC3iIvB49plNIm by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-11-10T22:35:15Z
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@futurebird Does Twilight Zone count? There were multiple episodes where the aliens were scared. Well, one may not count because the alien a frightened woman chases around the house with a huge knife turned out to be a human. In another one though there were a couple of people terrorized by a "giant alien" and it turned out to be an inflatable used by tiny aliens since they were scared of the big humans.
(DIR) Post #AnuiPjmzkaOpfMyG2a by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T22:37:09Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou I'm not thinking about fiction written as fiction but rather "true encounters" which as also fiction but not presented as such.
(DIR) Post #AnuiQtvfXI7RP7aCYa by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-11-10T22:37:21Z
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@futurebird *thinks*Star Control 2 (this is excellent but very difficult to play)The Wrong Stars (this is kind of a snack, but kind of short, and fun)A Half Built Garden (I only finished half so far because it has to go to the library, but you might actually really like this one— it's about ecological management)
(DIR) Post #AnuiStYvs1buqVtnKi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T22:37:44Z
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@drakenblackknight that's fiction fiction not "true encounters"
(DIR) Post #AnuiY9ICoTvz52a2WO by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-11-10T22:38:40Z
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@futurebird Ohhh, sorry. I misunderstood.
(DIR) Post #Anuiak1nCfT7al8hn6 by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-11-10T22:39:08Z
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@futurebird I'll believe it's true encounters if Zefram Cochrane manages to greet the Vulcans in Bozeman after his warp flight at the end of this century rather than some grainy footage taken by someone who is trying to shoot a cheesy B movie.
(DIR) Post #AnukURYj9mYyTzfXhg by SKleefeld@mastodon.social
2024-11-10T23:00:22Z
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@futurebird There was an issue of Fantastic Four last year, where the aliens were terrified of the heroes. It had more to do with a time distortion thing so they could only interact indirectly, though, and not a "humans are just aggressively scary" thing that I think you're implying.
(DIR) Post #AnukuMAVoz2pIFhOZE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:05:05Z
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I feel like I've done a poor job expressing what I'm talking about. I'm talking about "encounter" stories. Claims of abduction. There is this whole lore around what aliens are, what they look like, what they do, and it evolved in interplay with media over the past 60 years. And there are thousands of people who think this is very real.But, like other folk monsters, the fae, elves etc. that people sometimes think to real I tend to see such stories as filling some need, addressing some anxiety.
(DIR) Post #Anul1kk8qrgFXNtJgm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:06:26Z
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Aliens are also very American monsters. A very American folklore. There just aren't nearly as many abduction claims from other countries.
(DIR) Post #AnumHRRwS6IcHrQIaW by sudaksis@furry.engineer
2024-11-10T23:20:27Z
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@futurebird And we can mark the spark of alien mania in the US with the story of Barney and Betty Hill in 1961. A lot of the older alien stories around the world from before that point that I've heard were much more vague and less descriptive than what this couple encountered, and with the amount of media coverage they got, it was explored like never before too. Alien abductions are a fascinating topic and like you say, it's become a very American folklore
(DIR) Post #Anun1xNk3qYudzdfRQ by billiglarper@rollenspiel.social
2024-11-10T23:28:51Z
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@futurebird By the way, you might enjoy "Nor Crystal Tears" by Alan Dean Foster. It's a first contact story between humans and ant-like aliens. Told from the alien's perspective.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35134.Nor_Crystal_TearsIt's been quite a few years since I read it. But I really enjoyed it.#AlanDeanFoster #Aliens #scifi #bookstodon
(DIR) Post #Anun6H8QYtYL46XDmK by pussreboots@sfba.social
2024-11-10T23:29:38Z
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@futurebird Hal Clement wrote a bunch in the 1960s. You might be able to find them via eBay.
(DIR) Post #AnunHnMd4j9wCufe2i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:31:45Z
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@apLundell If I were to channel my anxiety into something like that it would just be something like you see in 4D for three seconds and then everything vanishes because you touched something Beyond The Known Mathematics. The idea of being captured by emotionless gray inscrutable people is ... I don't totally know what it means.
(DIR) Post #AnunL1W6uZa0yEe2aW by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:31:36Z
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@apLundell @futurebird the only thing I really liked about the E.T. movie is that he was just a botanist here to collect some plants and got left behind by mistake.
(DIR) Post #AnunL3ACmzFK4sPZiq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:32:19Z
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@llewelly @apLundell It me fr.
(DIR) Post #AnunX4xvumgp8qPJAG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:34:30Z
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@guyjantic Maybe if we can understand American monsters we can understand America.
(DIR) Post #Anunhc6hYChkp8X1zU by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2024-11-10T23:29:41Z
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@apLundell @futurebird It's because the perspective is so different.Like abduction lore is basically "they captured me and did things to me" so it's from the point of view of it has to be secretive in some way and why would they take people and do something kept a secret unless it's some sort of experimentation/immoral studies/etc? It has to be from the person's own perspective, so it gets a bit creepy from their point of view. (I wonder also if some hints of sleep paralysis feed these stories?)A lot of the other stuff is more about what makes a good story. Like that Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man." It's too boring if they're just here to help or whatever. People want a story where they're actually here to eat us.
(DIR) Post #AnuoEJSltDlaYZRmJE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:42:19Z
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@sudaksis It's intensely interesting to me that they were an interracial couple. I think miss how RARE that was at that time. They both had to be very strong willed. Which might have also been fertile ground for a shared delusion or one supporting the delusion of the other. But also driving in the country at night was already fought with perils they might not have wanted to name. More mundane reasons why a light might shine into their car at night.
(DIR) Post #AnuoPnRel1vsjIOwQC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:44:24Z
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@sudaksis For some reason there are people who will get very mad at you for just not believing any alien abduction stories. Every time I read one I am desperate to believe it. There is nothing that would fill my heart with more wonder or excitement. Nor do I think people who think these things really happened to them are stupid or worthy or ridicule. I also have never found a single story I could believe in at all.
(DIR) Post #AnuoXlsgSN4uCAqV8K by Frances_Larina@sfba.social
2024-11-10T23:45:49Z
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@futurebird Modern alien stories tend to mirror colonialism but from the point of view of the people they want to colonize.
(DIR) Post #Anup7JXdIdokj7woJU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-10T23:52:12Z
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@Szescstopni @trinsec 🤣
(DIR) Post #AnupLERR3edixogXy4 by Thumptastic3@mstdn.plus
2024-11-10T23:54:45Z
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@futurebird It's not clear. If I may, you need to expand what you read. When we come to correct what you just said, some of us will be angry at you, some will not. I do not need you to believe. We need you to want to find the truth for yourself. I leave you with this. Are you religious? And... Why?
(DIR) Post #AnupVsBe8mAd7yNFzM by MichaelTBacon@social.coop
2024-11-10T23:56:41Z
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@futurebird @CStamp I feel like Star Trek explored that idea repeatedly where the "superior" Federation showed up and promptly got pwn'd by the "primatives" on the planet.
(DIR) Post #AnuqHMY74VPmuBWljk by billiglarper@rollenspiel.social
2024-11-11T00:05:15Z
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@futurebird I never really thought about this. And yes, I guess you are right.Alien abductions are of course a known trope in other countries, and cartoonists for example make use of it. But alien abductions are actually quite scarce as conspiracy theories or horror stories.Great. Now "Alien Abduction Probe" is stuck in my head again. (#HayseedDixie make great and funny #bluegrass. But listen at your own risk.) https://youtu.be/P7-hpQcrME0
(DIR) Post #Anuqu0zFAqmJKAeGfo by cdarwin@c.im
2024-11-11T00:12:15Z
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@futurebird Tom Scott imagined a scenario where everyone else in the universe was afraid of humans. It’s fantastic.The premise of the video, Danger: Humans, is simple, it’s a PSA from the Interstellar Safety Council notifying alien races how terrifyingly dangerous and awful humans can be. tomscott.com
(DIR) Post #Anuqvsw44zA0vu3Mp6 by CardboardRobot@mstdn.social
2024-11-11T00:12:35Z
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@futurebird The Alien seemed pretty scared when it was a baby chestburster. It screamed and ran right out of the room.
(DIR) Post #AnurENRZODIKlTbi2C by Alarod@mstdn.social
2024-11-11T00:15:56Z
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@futurebird E.T. Was pretty scared.
(DIR) Post #Anut6XZk2H8LmOovey by trachelipus@masto.ai
2024-11-11T00:36:55Z
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@futurebird Someone I used to know had a weekend gig in Uni driving an ambulance around Moscow scraping unconscious drunks off the streets. He said the eldest would wake up hallucinating witches were coming for them. The middle aged would hallucinate the KGB was coming. The youngest would hallucinate UFOs were coming. #OldStories
(DIR) Post #AnutJqYWmJMaPXb6o4 by slowenough@mastodon.social
2024-11-11T00:39:17Z
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@futurebird I think you're totally on to something in general. Stanley G. Weinbaum's Martians stuck out as perhaps the first in modern SF who were actually alien, but they did not seem to be afraid.There are examples of aliens being afraid or at the very least cautious about us from early SF, for example, H. Beam Piper's Fuzzies. #sciencefiction
(DIR) Post #AnuucLVaXHZpZjbjeK by OldAndCranky@sfba.social
2024-11-11T00:53:53Z
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@futurebird E.T. was scared. He was just hanging out looking at trees and taking samples and then the mean tall guy was chasing him. I still hope ET shows up in my cornfield. If I had a cornfield. Which I don't.
(DIR) Post #Anuul5nOKDrfRu6beC by CliftonR@wandering.shop
2024-11-11T00:55:20Z
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@futurebird Robert Anton Wilson argued in at least one of his books that fae, elves, angels, and aliens are/were all the same thing: They are descriptions that people put on experiences they've had and can't explain to themselves. His theory was simply: There's *something* going on we don't yet recognize in science and have no explanation for. It makes sense that people would grasp for the closest thing they can find in their cultural knowledge and try to make it fit what they saw.
(DIR) Post #Anuv5VCzYAz23coPg0 by OldAndCranky@sfba.social
2024-11-11T00:59:09Z
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@futurebird Is that true? I feel like there are a lot of stories from all over (I should state here that I do not believe we are being visited by aliens, although I would love that to be true). Recently there were "alien" bodies that some guy in Mexico was producing. Also, I know Europe has an alien sighting culture- and there was that famous UFO sighting near some school In South Africa, IIRC.
(DIR) Post #AnuvFWuO5JgQE2tL28 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-11T01:00:58Z
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@OldAndCranky They have become more global with the spread of American media mostly, but if you look at a global map over time it's really mostly the US.
(DIR) Post #AnuvejzkZBgE3IQBtI by OldAndCranky@sfba.social
2024-11-11T01:05:30Z
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@futurebird ah. Well everyone gets their cultural folk critters I guess. We don’t have leprechauns,sadly.
(DIR) Post #AnuvuGpmkkuIFGAKYa by PTR_K@dice.camp
2024-11-11T01:08:20Z
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@futurebird The enigmatic quality of fae and alien narratives has always fascinated me as well.But I'm hesitant to project specific everyday life anxieties and associations onto the tales and recountings.In my mind the very nature of the things is specifically to defy normal rational. Not necessarily in an intentional, conscious way. But usually a way that leaves you amused, scared, puzzled, or mind blown that norms don't apply.
(DIR) Post #Anuwtr1Uomra9D0asi by CatDragon@mastodon.world
2024-11-11T01:19:27Z
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@futurebird I can’t imagine any group that had the technology to get here viewing us as anything more than a sort of termite that’s eating their own home.
(DIR) Post #Anux6j75XPUhNdlKO8 by MishaVanMollusq@sfba.social
2024-11-11T01:21:48Z
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@futurebird it’s just horny Sidhe is Party City costumes
(DIR) Post #Anux9N9vcTDC9wLuaG by vincib@mamot.fr
2024-11-11T01:22:15Z
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@futurebird I saw this cartoon recently and I found your question here totally relevent...Yes, alien could be very afraid of our stupidity with explosives :) https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/monkey
(DIR) Post #AnuxIyVo6zFec6AHnE by tuban_muzuru@ohai.social
2024-11-11T01:24:00Z
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@futurebird A philology professor summed it up:"It used to be the sidhe, then angels and now it's little green men."
(DIR) Post #Anv1q2GPaFA1ccz38C by wrosecrans@mstdn.social
2024-11-11T02:14:47Z
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@futurebird We might just be bad at reading alien emotions. The other half of the stories may well be, "I saw a homo sapiens and I turned grey with fright and my head puffed up in terror, and my eyes instinctively turned black from fear, all before the homo sapiens even saw me!"We just don't notice because we've never seen ana lien that isn't stressed.