Post AnJRoHOo4SqJkGkeJs by Transportist@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #AnJK2fsT3gHO5Iyhwe by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-10-23T21:39:48Z
       
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       Culturally, we’ve grown accustomed to rooting for anti-heroes. I wonder if that hasn’t primed us to be able to vote for someone like Donald Trump, in full(ish) knowledge of who he is.
       
 (DIR) Post #AnJKxnYPBqpGOmphQW by bobbrill@layer8.space
       2024-10-23T21:50:05Z
       
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       @interfluidity yikes!
       
 (DIR) Post #AnJM8VqhSO2Ccy3xoG by mhs@mastodon.social
       2024-10-23T22:03:15Z
       
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       @interfluidity Yep.I'll submit Jack Bauer / 24 as an early inflection point.
       
 (DIR) Post #AnJMCbTmSucjFRIFLk by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-10-23T22:04:00Z
       
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       @mhs Yes! That was the show that really broke ground, in a bad way. We knew it at the time, talked about it, watched it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AnJPbHpMy16XOvqvSa by Arianity@mastodon.social
       2024-10-23T22:42:03Z
       
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       @interfluidity That seems to mirror accelerationist thought pretty well. "Washington is broken but he'll break it faster", without any seeming regard for how bad/long things will be while it is broken (assuming it does eventually fix itself at all). A lot of people seem to think it'll be like a TV show; just wake up the day after the episode to the new fixed reality, and fast forward past the hard work of rebuilding.
       
 (DIR) Post #AnJRoHOo4SqJkGkeJs by Transportist@mastodon.social
       2024-10-23T23:06:49Z
       
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       @interfluidity @mhs surely at least as early as Michael Corleone in the Godfather.
       
 (DIR) Post #AnJS8mtEhNODChlOi0 by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-10-23T23:10:33Z
       
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       @Transportist I think @mhs’s use of “inflection point” was right. It’s not that the anti-hero was unknown prior to 24. But it accelerated, became kind of the norm, during the edgy “golden age of television”.(The Soprano’s also, also a bit earlier, I think. In general, maybe mafia tales were kind of a ghetto of popular anti-heroism before 9/11.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AnKee0PRsOg2ieRWSG by kentwillard@zirk.us
       2024-10-24T13:05:20Z
       
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       @interfluidity I've never seen any of the shows referenced in the thread. What I see where I live (rural, conservative) is that people trust the local plutocrats and distrust the Federal government. The plutocrats are as arrogant and greedy as imaginable, but citizens bend over backward to interpret their every action as wise and charitable. It is an odd embrace of serfdom, which I think far pre-dates pop culture.