Post AmnIeNzHF6pBywIZF2 by Orc@chaosfem.tw
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(DIR) Post #AmnFFAkd1BHrpPjSro by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:15:14Z
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There was a recent news item about a Twitch streamer known for "pranks and flaunting his wealth" crashing his expensive sports car, injuring his cameraman and other motorists while using his phone as he was driving in the rain. The whole thing has worked out very well for him with no one dead and national media attention, and clearly he's of the "no such thing as bad press" school of self-promotion. I just have one question: Who are his 15 million followers?
(DIR) Post #AmnFQi4XTH3QMDXxfU by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-10-08T10:17:17Z
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@futurebird Probably the same stupid people who still follow Phony Stark.
(DIR) Post #AmnFVxnSR35uZe3vIu by glennsills@dotnet.social
2024-10-08T10:18:13Z
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@futurebird Some people follow #assholery. It explains our current US political campaign.
(DIR) Post #AmnFZbBKSWsdapxfFY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:18:55Z
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It's tempting to write all of his followers off as aspiring wealthy jerks-- but, that seems too simplistic. I understand the rubbernecking. (In this case more literal than always) But, what causes so many people to seek out streams from such personalities? Spending hours listening to the pointless banter and day to day mishaps of objectively unlikable people?I guess there must be a "community" around such people, and that might play a big roll in keeping people coming back.
(DIR) Post #AmnFhnE3Z0uHGP911s by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:20:23Z
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@futurebird F Scott Fitzgerald was famous for crashing his cars into fountains, and his fans included nearly every english teacher that taught in the USA between about 1925 and 2005.
(DIR) Post #AmnG0OoQYY5n361qIS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:23:46Z
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It's easy to forget that internet communities collect around all kinds of things, and they can play an important role in people's social lives. Internet communities can be very positive things: but the art of nurturing and cultivating these communities is left to just ... anyone. What if we made *intentional* internet communities?What's a sarcastic, slightly unpopular 13 year old boy to online? If we don't make clubs and spaces for young people others will.
(DIR) Post #AmnG7t7yF9QT64k0B6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:25:06Z
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@drakenblackknight I think these are distinct groups. Elon's people are much older and ... beyond help.
(DIR) Post #AmnGBgJnoFWUWp5GkK by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-10-08T10:25:48Z
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@futurebird I seriously doubt it. This looks like there could be a LOT of overlap.
(DIR) Post #AmnGhGpk64Tukt5QMy by glennsills@dotnet.social
2024-10-08T10:31:27Z
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@futurebird Seriously I suspect this is just another aspect of our ape behavior. If you go to a zoo and watch the gorillas or chimpanzees, you'll quite often see a "jerk monkey" that runs around the enclosure messing with other apes. Now, what does the jerk get out of it - attention. You could ask yourself - what do the attention givers get out of this, and the answer is nothing. It is as if we have been wired by evolution to focus on cringe.
(DIR) Post #AmnH5PSnf8cYTErjwe by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:35:52Z
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@futurebird we have plenty of intentional internet communties, but the people with the most resources to cultivate them are fascist billionaires.
(DIR) Post #AmnHD1awI1aMlAIuA4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T10:37:15Z
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@llewelly I'm a little frustrated that those who are critical of the impacts of social media on young people only talk about ... getting rid of it. Never "how could we make social media I'd *want* my kids to use?"
(DIR) Post #AmnHYDs3qI2MumQ8HI by RogerBW@discordian.social
2024-10-08T10:41:03Z
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@futurebird @llewelly They might have to start questioning the idea that the most money is always right, which would be heresy.
(DIR) Post #AmnHdmc26ND26yZhh2 by doctormo@floss.social
2024-10-08T10:42:03Z
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@futurebird @llewelly Lack of imagination is the first symptom of the willfully incurious.You are right, I think, to ask what deliberate and I would ass *responsible* spaces look like for kids online.
(DIR) Post #AmnI71dpIstf7YMEhE by Kierkegaanks@beige.party
2024-10-08T10:47:20Z
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@futurebird @llewelly currently more concerned with what social media brings out of x:ers and boomers tbh
(DIR) Post #AmnIPkuHkKuMinzH2O by ghost_shit@aus.social
2024-10-08T10:50:43Z
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@futurebird I'm reminded of the criticism of RPGs in the 80s and 90s, when *everybody* was scared D&Ders would become Satan-worshippers. In fact, all we were was a bunch of misfits building community - and interpersonal skills - even if we didn't know it at the time.@llewelly
(DIR) Post #AmnIT71vwscGClAJpw by glennsills@dotnet.social
2024-10-08T10:51:21Z
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@llewelly My wife teaches STEM to k-2 (I kid you not) through 8-grade students. There is an *enormous* amount of social media content that is great for your kids to see. The problems that need to be overcome to achieve what you are suggesting are:
(DIR) Post #AmnIT9nVexrQmtRLGq by glennsills@dotnet.social
2024-10-08T10:51:21Z
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1) securely identify the children, including their age, in a manner that bad guys can't harvest the information.2) Change content selection algorithms to deliver curated, age-appropriate content. This is tricky. I remember being incredibly ticked off as a second grader once I had read all the books and wasn't allowed to read the "too old" books.
(DIR) Post #AmnITBv1lz3xMmyNGa by glennsills@dotnet.social
2024-10-08T10:51:21Z
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And yes, I do read a lot of the kid material. As an engineer, I can sometimes explain some of the scientific older stuff to my wife so she can teach it. As a 6-year-old at heart, I often watch well performed kids' books on YouTube. Hey! I'm a geezer! If you don't like what I am reading you can kiss my...😀
(DIR) Post #AmnIeNzHF6pBywIZF2 by Orc@chaosfem.tw
2024-10-08T10:53:23Z
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@futurebird @llewelly A lot of people have the homeschool mentality and think that it's dangerous to not curate their children's peers.
(DIR) Post #AmnKqS5K2ABS4c0VsG by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2024-10-08T11:17:53Z
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@futurebird Yes! Exactly. We should be providing a safe(r), well moderated, more supervised social media experience for kids. Training wheels for the big-kid Internet, and maybe with grownups and older kids nudging them towards socially-appropriate behavior. One of the problems I see online is that communities are so insular and self-reinforcing; you get enough kids together in a closed community and they set their own social standards, then in 20 years you have adult channers.
(DIR) Post #AmnMS0i2McRk7zaa6i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T11:35:58Z
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@JessMahler @testerab @llewelly Student government could do a lot of the moderation. If it’s a school only network and you aren’t moderating randos and spammers it’s not the huge horrible job it can be with a public network.
(DIR) Post #AmnMfkBYb0i0vywflg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T11:38:26Z
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@rgegriff oh. yeah if that’s the case it’s a lost cause.
(DIR) Post #AmnQAj6OyN7ePl00ye by coolcoder360@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-10-08T12:17:39Z
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@futurebird I think it's not enough to make clubs for young people, but rather to make spaces with adults where young people are welcome. Some of my favorite places to hang out online when I was younger had several decent adult role models in them and I think that was helpful because that means that it wasn't just other kids, but we could pick up how to behave from the adults, while still having fun and feeling welcome.And the adults were there because they enjoyed it as much as the kids.
(DIR) Post #AmnQg8KZDwKJdVbJrs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-08T12:23:21Z
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@coolcoder360 I think both are needed and good. I can understand young people not wanting to be watched all the time. I worry they too often seek out that kind of privacy in spaces with creeps lurking and no culture of respect or recourse for abusive behavior.
(DIR) Post #AmnVbF0nSJf8gEq8tE by everton137@social.vivaldi.net
2024-10-08T13:18:25Z
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@futurebird @llewelly it's a common behavior that all problems we don't know how to solve, we tend to try to get rid of them.
(DIR) Post #AmnXi9Kx9YAf10gq5g by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2024-10-08T13:42:07Z
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@futurebird If this is regarding the prankster & vandal Jack Doherty, public traffic analysis tools say that a large fraction of his claimed social medial followers are faked; but that still leaves some millions of people watching him.It's not great.I was trying to remember why that name seemed familiar. The answer is apparently that he was making posts about "fake clouds" during the recent North America solar eclipse.
(DIR) Post #AmnXrX30Mpd19sliuu by rlcw@ecoevo.social
2024-10-08T13:43:51Z
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@futurebird When I was a teen there where a bunch of active forum members who where admins and moderators and when they spotted new talent they recruited them into their midst. I am pretty certain that kids or communities in general can self-moderate pretty well. I feel we are loosing that ability, and it's not great. In case of kids you can add some professional oversight to help to support the self-organization, which would also help grow those kids into community oriented adults.
(DIR) Post #AmnaCyWtaIHWNl6Pse by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2024-10-08T14:10:05Z
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@futurebird in contrast: someone doing similar things over here (even though he didn't cause a collision) got tracked down and sent to prison for over a year (normally he will serve only half the sentence the Court handed down, although he was already inside anyway for drug dealing so its likely he will have that added on to this stretch). More importantly his driving licence was suspended, so it warns teens/young adults not to act in this manner..https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022-06-22/shameless-youtuber-jailed-over-videos-of-dangerous-driving
(DIR) Post #AmneHA9SiQAtP0OUAy by twipped@twipped.social
2024-10-08T14:55:41Z
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@futurebird @llewelly thats because those critics aren’t actually worried about the toxicity of social media, they’re worried about the information sharing.I read the first Silo book last month, and the bit about how information transmission in the silo was artificially slowed as a means of control has really stuck with me.
(DIR) Post #AmnqOb5MRrhCw0uRTE by mehron@mastodon.social
2024-10-08T17:11:19Z
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@futurebird I just heard an interview on This Machine Kills that is mostly about video gaming communities, but still relates to this idea of intentional online communities (and the left specifically). https://soundcloud.com/thismachinekillspod/373-press-x-to-start-revolution-ft-marijam-did