Post AmjVq7A49Hba2mQbSq by Moss@beige.party
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(DIR) Post #AmjSfmJOVp5EccAfT6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-06T14:26:52Z
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The fact that aphids, who seem totally checked out of reality can pulse in unison and attack their predators some of the time in a coordinated way has shaken my whole world to its core...I still think they have no thoughts. But that only makes this even more unsettling.
(DIR) Post #AmjSmn38ATXkw8uK0m by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-06T14:28:07Z
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"Oh you may eat me now Mr. Ladybird... but my calories will return to my daughters when they drink your child like a juice box. This is the circle of life."You see? Aphid thoughts? Too horrible to contemplate.
(DIR) Post #AmjSvyIjhh7GRJaJpg by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-10-06T14:29:45Z
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@futurebird instead of an inner self is this an outer self
(DIR) Post #AmjSx5OSothEj3nMq8 by QueenOfTheCroneAge@beige.party
2024-10-06T14:29:57Z
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@futurebird Lion King? Aphid King.
(DIR) Post #AmjSyEDxTQToP2QTp2 by Rik_Dhuyvetters@mastodon.online
2024-10-06T14:30:00Z
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@futurebird why do you think they have no thoughts? I mean, they probably won't be able to think as we do, but still...
(DIR) Post #AmjSzgWrip52Tjxqmu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-06T14:30:28Z
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@Rik_Dhuyvetters Mostly because they have no reaction to being eaten.
(DIR) Post #AmjTS1cys4x01VL2ki by janbogar@mastodonczech.cz
2024-10-06T14:35:33Z
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@futurebird this? https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/05/first-record-gall-forming-aphid-fighting-predator
(DIR) Post #AmjTcZ2lUEZoYZQM6K by SusiArnott@mastodon.green
2024-10-06T14:37:27Z
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@futurebird Please tell us more... or maybe not...
(DIR) Post #AmjTf20alakSy8aHSK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-06T14:37:57Z
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@SusiArnott https://mastodonczech.cz/@janbogar/113260975433058082
(DIR) Post #AmjVq7A49Hba2mQbSq by Moss@beige.party
2024-10-06T15:02:18Z
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@futurebird @Rik_Dhuyvetters Perhaps in the long view the species are in the part of an action movie where the hero-to-be is imprisoned but doing hard labor silently and implacably for years, eventually becoming the most muscle bound and impervious warrior.One day a mighty Aphid rebellion will bring the oppressive Formicidae to their knees.
(DIR) Post #AmjXDvT9N5vCgYGxoO by robotistry@sciencemastodon.com
2024-10-06T15:17:50Z
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@futurebird We know from robotics that many apparently complex behaviors can be replicated without "thought":- "move away from strong stimuli and towards weak stimuli" creates mouse-like exploration behavior- "when object detected, if hands are empty, pick it up; if hands full, drop it; if no object, wander" creates termite-like mounds.I'd suspect the attack behavior is a variant of flocking, and acquiescence to being eaten happens when the self-preservation sensor is bypassed?
(DIR) Post #AmjaeKNTgVApKTtsmm by daviddlevine@wandering.shop
2024-10-06T15:56:12Z
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@futurebird I believe that we, as thinking creatures, over-prioritize the value of thought. The complex instinctual behaviors of spiders, beavers, and pufferfish are beautiful, functional and valuable in themselves, without any need for an inner life.
(DIR) Post #AmjfrUSY0mGm8IMqNk by wtrmt@mastodon.social
2024-10-06T16:54:37Z
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@futurebird I’m just trying to get them off my eoniums while avoiding killing anything else. I’ve failed with the neem oil and soap mixture: can’t seem to break the cicle. #BlackWphids.
(DIR) Post #AmjgHSBB6z0eaechpg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-10-06T16:59:20Z
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@wtrmt Have you tried tape?I just collect them with tape.
(DIR) Post #AmjgmQgmhb7cwgB3ey by wtrmt@mastodon.social
2024-10-06T17:04:52Z
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@futurebird I have not tried that.The eouniums are hardy enough to tape them, but it is difficult to reach for the aphids in between the leaves.With the soapy mixture y just power wash them, but they come back.