Post AmJZUV4nJDProsgdaS by neilk@xoxo.zone
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(DIR) Post #Am4rXq80NZkZmcX1n6 by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-09-16T22:42:09Z
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What's funny about Oracle is like, most tech companies, people probably feel *skeevy* about, but also most tech cos have done 1 thing you Like. Lots of people love their Apple products. You might be annoyed at Google right now but there was probably a time they made you happy in some way. Microsoft? People do like XBoxes. OpenAI has fans!But NOBODY interacts with Oracle on purpose. Even coders don't *pick* Oracle. There's no brake on you just *resenting* Larry Ellison.https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnipresent-ai-cameras-will-ensure-good-behavior-says-larry-ellison/
(DIR) Post #Am4rXr4qqmp0j841Vw by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-09-16T23:12:30Z
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Most humans go their entire lives without ever having a reason to have a distinct thought about Oracle. But if someone did decide to start developing outright hatred, for Oracle, there would be no cognitive dissonance cost to this. Even if there's an Oracle product you like it's probably something they purchased from another company, and you could always identify at least one way in which they made it worse
(DIR) Post #Am4wHYbOGxJqZ4Kcm8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-09-17T01:15:19Z
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@mcc > But NOBODY interacts with Oracle on purpose. *Nobody* expects the Oracle inquisition! Amongst their weaponry, are such diverse elements as;Fear, surprise, ruthless inefficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to Larry Ellison, and a nice brown uniform...
(DIR) Post #Am54ff6sWkW1Kd45iq by cxberger@mastodon.boiler.social
2024-09-17T02:25:09Z
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@mcc "don't make the mistake of humanizing Larry Ellison"
(DIR) Post #Am55PL79CdSIdYyIK0 by seanking@kazv.moe
2024-09-17T02:57:45.779332Z
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@mcc Oracle is like the midas touch of tech and software. Any programming language, software, etc, becomes eventually seen as a joke. Case and point: Java.
(DIR) Post #AmJZU3gl8T9CsWEYsK by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2024-09-17T12:08:47Z
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@mcc I always thought of Oracle as the lawful evil tech company. At least prior to the Sun acquisition, their evil was directed almost exclusively at people who had signed a contract with them, whereas most other big tech companies manage to do a lot more collateral damage.It's easy to dislike Oracle and never have to touch their products. The same is somewhat true of Apple. It's far less true of the likes of Google, Microsoft, and Facebook.
(DIR) Post #AmJZU41Ju1atuHqyvI by TonyYarusso@infosec.exchange
2024-09-23T22:19:47Z
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@mcc Oracle is fine until you have to get anywhere within six degrees of separation of the general galactic orbit of the sales and licensing department… Look, we’re already PAYING YOU money for your stupid products - can you maybe NOT make the *process* of GIVING YOU MONEY as phenomenally irritating as possible?
(DIR) Post #AmJZUCxkef5TdpFl6u by nabijaczleweli@101010.pl
2024-09-16T22:49:10Z
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@mcc even the ars technica writers fell into the classic trap of anthropomorphising larry ellison :/
(DIR) Post #AmJZUHxE62dd7e2uUC by valthonis@dice.camp
2024-09-16T23:16:50Z
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@mcc I was force-fed Oracle early in my career via a founder who thought they knew best, even if it meant overpaying for a self-hosted pain-in-the-arse DBMS.I have spent the 15 years since avoiding anything they touch like it's radioactive. 'Cause it kinda is.
(DIR) Post #AmJZUIqAnkafs3kn8C by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-09-16T23:21:23Z
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@valthonis I remember a time you could make a legitimate compelling case that the Oracle database products were more reliable than the open-source or Microsoft alternatives.I also remember attending rallies for the Ralph Nader campaign*.* No, I didn't vote for him, and anyway I wasn't 18
(DIR) Post #AmJZUJbfx8aWFNyjAm by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-09-16T23:22:04Z
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@airtower "our source is open but our header files? Those are supercopyright"
(DIR) Post #AmJZUJj7VSXicTSfmC by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2024-09-16T23:27:11Z
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@mcc I wanted to argue with this. Like I like both MySQL and Virtualbox. But I also liked both of them before Oracle had anything to do with them... and I certainly couldn't pin anything Oracle did that actually made them *better* in any way.I feel like something something their ERP platforms at a certain scale have to make *someone* happy? Right? Somehow?
(DIR) Post #AmJZUK8dyYxXtdP3Ym by danherbert@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T00:24:57Z
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@mcc I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure the API Oracle sued over pre-dated them open sourcing Java. It's one of the reasons the lawsuit was so petty. By the time it had worked its way through the courts, Google had switched over to the open API so they were suing for stuff that no longer applied.(One of the many reasons why I have strong negative opinions about Oracle)
(DIR) Post #AmJZUKqFMRq04rnsWW by clacke@libranet.de
2024-09-24T01:17:23Z
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@danherbert @mcc The header files were from the GPL-licensed OpenJDK, and Oracle sued Google because Google distributed their own Java implementation under the Apache license and copied the interface definitions. OpenJDK is several years older than Oracle's acquisition of Sun, and Android launched before the acquisition too.
(DIR) Post #AmJZUNiCgoBcyn3zu4 by malwareminigun@infosec.exchange
2024-09-17T17:01:49Z
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@mcc @PeterSommerlad obligatory @lmanul https://goomics.net/62/
(DIR) Post #AmJZUPvkRQD1rNPqIC by duncan_bayne@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-09-16T23:33:48Z
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@mcc I once had a client who used an Oracle education product; it had ~ 14k _tables_ in the schema.
(DIR) Post #AmJZUV4nJDProsgdaS by neilk@xoxo.zone
2024-09-16T23:44:39Z
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@mcc I also thought this was true and then I met a techie who thought Oracle Cloud was legit
(DIR) Post #AmJZUWDh3c83MlrG64 by colo_lee@mstdn.social
2024-09-17T00:03:39Z
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@mcc Back in the day, I did a lot of consulting and software implementation. Oracle was great. Because no one could make it work. And once the company had spent all that money on Oracle and failed with the initial project, our consulting fees seemed like a drop in the bucket. All those projects took long enough that most of them were cancelled before we had to do the final delivery (which almost always was a huge relief for our team). Oracle was great. Precisely because it didn't work...
(DIR) Post #AmJZUXSGSvNXCFgPRo by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T00:56:49Z
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@mcc @jalefkowit oracle gave me a really good cloud computer for free :-(
(DIR) Post #AmJZUY2QIUIn0ObHo8 by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T04:22:00Z
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@glyph @jalefkowit Google gave me a pretty good cloud computer for free… then they took it awayNow I don't use cloud computers unless I'm paying for them. If I'm paying $N for the cloud computer then I believe in the future I will continue to pay $N for it and I know exactly what N is. If I'm paying $0 for the cloud computer then I believe in the future I will be paying $X but I don't know what X is
(DIR) Post #AmJZUYP6w8Ry8lDPAe by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T04:28:50Z
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@mcc @jalefkowit this one comes with a stronger commitment that it will be $0 than I have received from other providers that it would remain $N. My previous provider, who shall remain nameless, started at $5/mo and through a series of end-of-life shell-game maneuvers eventually expected me to pay $75/mo for an equivalent service. So I tend to think of these things as price-over-time, and remain able to pivot off to a new provider with continuous local backups and ephemeral containers
(DIR) Post #AmJZUZ1Odn4i3V7yqW by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T04:30:20Z
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@mcc @jalefkowit this commitment is hardly ironclad and I assume it may go away at some point, but I estimate using it for the last few years has saved me at least $500 by this point https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier_topic-Always_Free_Resources.htm
(DIR) Post #AmJZUZJ7ZtFkwTQ8TQ by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T01:09:46Z
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@mcc @jalefkowit (your point is otherwise well taken; this is one reason I am a little reluctant to recommend the aforementioned free computer despite the fact that it is objectively an excellent deal)
(DIR) Post #AmJZUZcGQiZ7tqNQJM by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T04:33:15Z
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@mcc @jalefkowit I should note that I have used oracle databases professionally at 3 jobs previously so we are still like $40,000 in the hole in terms of goodwill here, but it’s made an appreciable dent
(DIR) Post #AmJZUcMmCkxYQg9b5U by giflian@techhub.social
2024-09-17T01:26:46Z
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@mcc I remember the Oracle onboarding I did in 2010 included some business ethics training that specifically listed lap dances as an example of a disallowed business expense. Ever since then I've wondered what the story behind that was.
(DIR) Post #AmJZUcTrmOdAmfTG8e by jawnsy@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T01:54:58Z
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@mcc A wise man, @bcantrill, once told us all not to anthropomorphize the lawnmower, though. I think he was right. Oracle is Oracle, they are very transparent about their model and their approach, and I find that kind of honesty refreshing
(DIR) Post #AmJZUg48S0QPu1SlaS by nf3xn@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T09:48:15Z
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@mcc In the future people will be able to make undetectable AI hunter-killer drones from consumer hardware that can find assholes like Plastic Larry and melt them with its flamethrower.
(DIR) Post #AmJZUguxHcfyXqAwuu by nf3xn@mastodon.social
2024-09-17T09:51:09Z
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@mcc Honestly can't say why ORCL has such a valuation, up again 6%. It can't just be their inferior database products and nobody runs Virtualbox except for free. Have they managed to monetize their (shithouse by todays standards) programming language java?
(DIR) Post #AmJZUhMxbV4rwhHJZI by clacke@libranet.de
2024-09-24T01:23:40Z
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@nf3xn Oracle Cloud, I guess?@mcc
(DIR) Post #AmJZV4X1UFnDmZAAwi by karlauerbach@sfba.social
2024-09-17T00:12:43Z
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@mcc My first interaction with Oracle happened around 1980. I was at Interactive Systems (the first commercial Unix company, in Santa Monica). We had a Unix layer on top of VAX/VMS and Oracle sent a sales team to us to make sure that their database worked on that foundation. However, the Oracle people insisted that we modify and tune our OS code to make Oracle run better and faster than their competition. They wanted us to cheat for them.
(DIR) Post #AmJxWHkyCTPhzKnXwO by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-09-24T02:54:34Z
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@gemlog @clacke @colo_lee i really hope i never get canceled for erp