Post AmHO5ctXcD7P16RL28 by MyLittleMetroid@sfba.social
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(DIR) Post #AjvXBKBCdua7DeLN6u by ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org
2024-07-14T16:04:22Z
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@HeavenlyPossum I think the most convincing way to disprove the idea is to have the person volunteer to help at a nature preserve. It is very much so in my view, the closest modern equivalent to how people shaped the environment all those millennia ago.
(DIR) Post #AjvXBLMwDlYwuKqG2a by cwicseolfor@urbanists.social
2024-07-14T16:17:03Z
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@ch0ccyra1n @HeavenlyPossum Even the word "preserve" implies the wrong ideas, of course. Conservation was what I was raised with, a notion of wise use for long view sustainability, stewardship rather than lordship.While I don't suggest people show up on their door demanding education, there are still plenty of indigenous societies engaged in the timeless work today. It's worth not casting our image of them in the past, they need allyship and defense now.
(DIR) Post #AjvXBMHIqCeJj9DGtc by ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org
2024-07-14T16:24:23Z
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@cwicseolfor @HeavenlyPossum yeah I was thinking in terms of alternatives to bugging indigenous people who might not necessarily want some random stranger demanding education. Those preserves tend to involve deliberately shaping the environment there. It's also a good way to get a better understanding of local floræ and faunæ, which is quite important to know.
(DIR) Post #AjvXH2XR96huF7T7ui by Pappy@thepit.social
2024-07-14T16:33:08Z
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@HeavenlyPossum Interesting, does it say how many people existed in the "75-95%" of these areas? I don't think humans are a virus, per se. I do believe there are just too many of us.
(DIR) Post #AjvXH3DyawjcN3N6Dg by teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
2024-07-14T16:38:40.450900Z
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@Pappy @HeavenlyPossum this is an awful argument and calls to overpopulation don't address over consumption. The population has boomed since agricultural advances.
(DIR) Post #AjvXOo3It901dF4rrc by teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
2024-07-14T16:40:06.095237Z
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@ch0ccyra1n @cwicseolfor @HeavenlyPossum the biggest pollutant in the world in the military industrial complex followed by the fast fashion / textile industry Corporations routinely dumb toxic waste in rivers and deforestation is a problem in many parts of the world, but I also reckon that not assassinating land defenders would help.
(DIR) Post #Ak0ioThLG3Q1Jt34FM by skyfaller@jawns.club
2024-07-15T10:22:40Z
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@Pappy @HeavenlyPossum Overpopulation and population control have a long history of being connected to eugenics and killing off "undesirables", preventing immigration, etc. If the impact of the human population on the environment concerns you, consider focusing on related issues instead, such as women's rights and reproductive rights: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/9/26/16356524/the-population-question
(DIR) Post #Ak0j6QYdfkmYnCXKhk by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-17T04:44:47.903328Z
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@skyfaller @Pappy Emma Goldman was in favor of both I guess
(DIR) Post #AmFU7vokRWp7gzlDYu by stevenbodzin@thepit.social
2024-07-14T16:21:38Z
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@HeavenlyPossum the first study I saw on this, in the early 90s, excited me no end, for its demolition of the racist myth of "untouched wilderness." Now it excites me for a new reason. If the forest could be managed once, maybe we can do it again. It offers hope for the areas now converted to relatively bereft savannah, and even to places like the Sahara, which with enough management maybe could be another Amazon.
(DIR) Post #AmFU7xkZG2fTgbouK8 by stevenbodzin@thepit.social
2024-07-14T16:22:53Z
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@HeavenlyPossum most of the water in the Amazon is transported upriver by evapotransporation. Today we are in a vicious cycle of declining water flow in the Amazon because of deforestation. But we could reverse that, and maybe we will.
(DIR) Post #AmFUYzZWalgV9hXknY by FelisCatus@mastodon.social
2024-09-20T23:31:11Z
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@HeavenlyPossum I solve this by being neither succint nor precise.
(DIR) Post #AmFUgVkdLhSYz6KCoK by B_Whitewind@regenerate.social
2024-07-14T23:13:45Z
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@HeavenlyPossum I mean have you tried the last 200 years? I'm not going to bother to go be your little gopher, but trust me we did this.
(DIR) Post #AmFUgWU0czkvFpYRXM by scott@carfree.city
2024-07-15T05:10:12Z
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@B_Whitewind That's exactly the point: history shows us it's not inevitable that humans will damage the environment in the way that the world economic order that has reigned for the last 200 years has done.
(DIR) Post #AmHNqS9dGXrdMVjOyG by xris@ecoevo.social
2024-07-16T02:24:21Z
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@hannu_ikonen @tlariv @HeavenlyPossum I've come to understand "wilderness" as a colonial construction.
(DIR) Post #AmHNzdaa7aVjQriSTQ by econads@chaos.social
2024-09-22T17:57:17Z
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@HeavenlyPossumAnother reason to adopt this attitude is that you can avoid having to do anything about it. It's a form of doomerism. @stevenbodzin
(DIR) Post #AmHO5ctXcD7P16RL28 by MyLittleMetroid@sfba.social
2024-09-22T01:31:06Z
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@HeavenlyPossum and I’d like to add the observation that this need not have to do anything with any intrinsic nobility or ingrained respect for nature (let’s also not fall into “noble savage” mythology).This is what worked for them after generations of learning and adaptation. I’m sure at some point some tribe overhunted their favored prey. Then they either starved or moved or had to figure out another food source. They didn’t have the luxury of modern extractive economies of just leaving the place a dump and moving on to the next one. The ones that lasted were the ones that figured it out.