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(DIR) Post #AlSkZWxaXA7HEC2cVs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:05:12Z
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Is there a name for content that is gross, strange, attention grabbing, hypnotic, alarming and that generally is *designed* to push people's buttons above all else? For example those videos of people using too many cleaning products, or making food wrong. I always think of it as "Attention Exploitation" content. And there is something manipulative about it that seems destructive in some way that escapes most definitions of worthless content...It only exists to try to keep you watching it.
(DIR) Post #AlSkmCrkYSTQfhM3XM by shovemedia@triangletoot.party
2024-08-29T15:07:27Z
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@futurebird I’ve heard that called “chum”
(DIR) Post #AlSknYWjVNZc8qASRM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:07:31Z
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If cats made media this kind of content would feature things like laser pointers, high pitched noises and humans eating catfood while the cat sadly watched.
(DIR) Post #AlSkrSc5QxeExWX9No by miblo@mas.to
2024-08-29T15:08:26Z
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@futurebird Is this "agitprop"? (I've only ever read, but never used the term myself.)
(DIR) Post #AlSkwrvUkRDwujBse0 by mayorbeetles@pagan.plus
2024-08-29T15:09:22Z
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@futurebird ragebait
(DIR) Post #AlSkzFWRzP86fuby9g by harmonygritz@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T15:09:50Z
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@futurebird I've seen it as part of "attention-seeking" but not sure about a separate term for the extreme version.
(DIR) Post #AlSl338VyyD7Q1EBc0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:10:32Z
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@mayorbeetles It's adjacent to ragebait, though that I think is more about making people angry as the goal. This is about making you watch it and talk about it as the goal and making you angry could be one way to do that... but they don't really care how it makes you feel.I have more respect for ragebait than this stuff.
(DIR) Post #AlSl8BBhTVhzpzADj6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:11:27Z
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@miblo Agitprop tends to have some kind of message or idea behind it.
(DIR) Post #AlSlQWyxBNgydzx6qu by miblo@mas.to
2024-08-29T15:14:46Z
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@futurebird Ah yeah, sorry. I thought it just meant general "agitating propaganda", i.e. content designed to agitate.
(DIR) Post #AlSlel6DUZZSTw8Mcq by bovaz@mastodon.online
2024-08-29T15:17:19Z
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@futurebird I don't know the answer to your question, and I'd be curious as well now, but I have a follow up question ready: what is the name for the videos in which a guy (every one that the algo tried to push at me had a guy, usually bald) watches one of those videos, commenting and explaining how something is being done poorly and/or wrong?
(DIR) Post #AlSlnsVFKoJ03BBpa4 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2024-08-29T15:18:59Z
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@futurebird Advertising?
(DIR) Post #AlSls1fPCo8Xd6v4b2 by CStamp@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T15:19:28Z
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@futurebird @mayorbeetles Just clickbait. The point is to make you click then react. For some reason, making people upset about something is more profitable than making people feel good.
(DIR) Post #AlSlwoXBSZ24LcMCW0 by Wharrrrrrgarbl@an.errant.cloud
2024-08-29T15:20:35Z
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@futurebird it's a psychological irritant. Emotional pepper spray.
(DIR) Post #AlSlz8ZHweHJ3qRumu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:20:45Z
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@bovaz Yes this kind of content is so bad that the only way many people might encounter it is with a guide to watch it with you and reassure you that it really is as bad as it seems.Which makes me question the whole excercise?Shouldn't we maybe watch the lovingly made student film? Or something educational? Or even the news? Or nothing at all?
(DIR) Post #AlSm5ovxLMOyC2Erb6 by Judeet99@mastodon.world
2024-08-29T15:22:10Z
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@futurebird It's often quite entertaining though...and we could all do with a bit more to laugh at.
(DIR) Post #AlSm7ZQrwrIihBX4m8 by ItsJenNotGoblin@goblin.camp
2024-08-29T15:22:29Z
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@futurebird wasteful consumerism porn is what I call it
(DIR) Post #AlSm9KEDRowg7VS0ga by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:22:26Z
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@Wharrrrrrgarbl YES! This is getting closer to how I feel about it. It's ... harmful. Which might make people say "well don't watch it then" ... so yeah I don't, generally. But if I'm in line and they have it on a TV, or if it's late and I'm sleepy my weak will and mind can get trapped and it makes me feel so... manipulated.
(DIR) Post #AlSmD6SUaLP6ZXviQS by MichaelTBacon@social.coop
2024-08-29T15:23:09Z
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@futurebird It's for what people call "hate watching" but I don't know of a specific name for the content itself, maybe "hate watching bait?"
(DIR) Post #AlSmJ4RYzQVa3oLCLY by being@social.ornella.xyz
2024-08-29T15:24:36Z
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@futurebird I've seen videos like that referred to as rage bait! But that's kind of too wide an umbrella
(DIR) Post #AlSmKqgx5cB5zOO2bY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:24:38Z
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@Judeet99 Well. Much like most media criticism this isn't so much about any particular video, but the greater trend. It's not bad to make a movie with a male protagonist, but it isn't bad that male protagonists are so much more common. It's not bad that one video is gross and attention driven... but so much content keeps moving in this direction. There isn't anyone trying to communicate anything with this stuff. It's just an eyeball trap.
(DIR) Post #AlSmO4AFSIr2dsckOe by RogerBW@emacs.ch
2024-08-29T15:24:56Z
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@futurebird @Wharrrrrrgarbl All advertising is pollution.
(DIR) Post #AlSmPyC6cgSChoOtfs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:25:17Z
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@MichaelTBacon "Hate watch bait" is a good phrase for some of what is going on here.
(DIR) Post #AlSmTP19LpFclVuefY by Judeet99@mastodon.world
2024-08-29T15:26:27Z
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@futurebird I'm sure I'm not the only one who just skims over it after a brief laugh...you only get trapped if you let yourself be trapped.
(DIR) Post #AlSmcCMxkJWq8zJGpk by bovaz@mastodon.online
2024-08-29T15:27:34Z
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@futurebird I think there's a sense of catharsis in watching people mess things up completely. Having dealt with a roman catholic upbringing, I know how attractive the feeling of "my neighbor is worse off than me" is: that kind of content brings it to scale.
(DIR) Post #AlSmmFFjscvTyzinZI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:29:55Z
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@Judeet99 "I'm sure I'm not the only one who just skims over it after a brief laugh...you only get trapped if you let yourself be trapped."I want to challenge you on this. Could it be that if you get trapped you always decide you weren't trapped because you'd rather not recognize you can be manipulated?All people can be manipulated. Those most successfully manipulated are not aware that it has happened.
(DIR) Post #AlSmnyEM8iOhlgthlg by fritzoids@mas.to
2024-08-29T15:29:59Z
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@futurebird I don't know what it's called but I like to curate what the algo serves me and so I make a point of telling it to not show me this type of content again. Same with the "Fun Fact!" guys that then have nothing interesting to share, or the videos that is just someone watching someone else's video (often with no comment or anything!). I also make a point of liking any video of the type I'd like to see more of.
(DIR) Post #AlSmsHMOxQToFxiOsS by Judeet99@mastodon.world
2024-08-29T15:30:57Z
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@futurebird Everyone is entitled to think what they want. I find my laughs where I can when I need them. And oh boy do we need laughs at the moment.
(DIR) Post #AlSmttNx4D8cTjD3B2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:31:02Z
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@bovaz People wasting food is very upsetting to me. Even when I can recognize that the literal food wasted is the least immoral thing happening in these productions often enough.
(DIR) Post #AlSn51PDaU8YXT6nwm by kingkaufman@sfba.social
2024-08-29T15:32:48Z
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@futurebird Engagement-bait is the best term I've heard for it. Though that also applies to vagueposting or intentionally wrong assertions.
(DIR) Post #AlSnGf7oFjDAuYW63E by apophis@brain.worm.pink
2024-08-29T15:27:01.569555Z
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@bovaz @futurebird isn't that a subset of reaction video?
(DIR) Post #AlSnGfzL2i1taZYqUC by bovaz@mastodon.online
2024-08-29T15:33:42Z
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@apophis @futurebird well, yes, for sure. But I don't really get how having many people explain how the obviously bad idea is bad adds anything. It's a special kind of very useless reaction video that adds noise to a non existing conversation. It's not unlike men at bars on Sunday morning shouting who should play in the Serie A soccer games.
(DIR) Post #AlSnNMPCFYhmseqLGi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:36:37Z
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@bovaz @apophis It decreases the discomfort of such things existing to know other people are also bothered by them. That's a more positive and comforting experience than simply seeing the content on its own and wondering if you understand how other humans work at all. And sometimes they make funny jokes.
(DIR) Post #AlSnPH1vCrnMmvrw0m by Extra_Special_Carbon@mastodon.world
2024-08-29T15:36:38Z
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@futurebird The “making food wrong” content bothers md a bit because there is often a cultural superiority component to it. For example, dipping your pizza in mayonnaise, would get all kinds of comments about lack of flavor or whatever. So what? I don’t like it, but I’ll let people enjoy what they do.Sometimes people are genuinely doing things wrong, like under cooked chicken. Probably demonstrating why things are bad could save some hospital bills.
(DIR) Post #AlSnWlwKgOcSgFpXMG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:37:46Z
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@Extra_Special_Carbon I think you haven't seen the kind of videos I'm talking about. There is no way it's possible the people doing this stuff are... innocent. It's very very much wrong on purpose to make people upset.
(DIR) Post #AlSnuWIuT5Jd8XiLui by Wandering_Goliath@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:42:35Z
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@futurebird if my cat had her way it would be cottage core same videos with bird chirping sound effects and frequent cuts to cats and animals doing their own thing on the persons land.
(DIR) Post #AlSnwN1VwajQvtSaGW by LaD_Hallo@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T15:42:45Z
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@futurebird Interesting, I think Facebook does that. Saw some pics there recently with obviously wrong captions...remember one with L.A. which said "Miami, Florida". Obviously 80% of the commentators corrected it with some others still saying "beautiful" or "best city"...nobody deleted the post though which I found curious.
(DIR) Post #AlSopshJshkp60U3eq by shansterable@c.im
2024-08-29T15:52:57Z
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@futurebird I feel the same way about paper towel commercials that feature liquid spills spreading toward an object or table edge and then a hand with a paper towel comes to rescue but wipes IN THE DIRECTION OF THE OBJECT OR TABLE EDGE. I am certain they do this to cause alarm for the viewer. I find it distasteful and think poorly of the product. A big fail for them. I am getting agitated just writing about it. #FuckBountyPaperTowels
(DIR) Post #AlSowcy6lDYGL7YMrI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T15:54:11Z
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@LaD_Hallo Kind of like saying something mean (and slightly wrong) about Linux on here ... which I would never do just to see a little circus.
(DIR) Post #AlSp1xkkuYXsFYqsV6 by Lazarou@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T15:55:05Z
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@futurebird @LaD_Hallo dangerous living!
(DIR) Post #AlSp6hbiMu0FcesoE4 by queenofnewyork@newsie.social
2024-08-29T15:55:56Z
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@futurebird “Comment farming” or “engagement farming” are the terms I’ve heard. The poster has no desire to be correct, just to get replies.
(DIR) Post #AlSpcaeDmNhtIwGE6q by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-08-29T16:01:47Z
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@futurebird I think of those bottom-feeding web ads that show something that looks vaguely disturbing with a caption about a weird miracle food.
(DIR) Post #AlSqHBRqNMMb1QpNlQ by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-08-29T16:09:04Z
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@futurebird ...Ad-driven phone apps have a whole category of game ads that are just fake-- the game shown in the ad is not the actual game you'll download if you follow the link (which is, itself, usually some pedestrian strategy game designed to maximize the amount that certain "whales" will spend on in-game transactions).Frequently, though not always, the fake game in the ad will feature some bizarre mixture of horny and disturbing images. Another tactic is for it to be a fairly straightforward action or puzzle game, that looks like it might be entertaining, but the player in the video is playing it deliberately badly-- to make you think you could do much better.
(DIR) Post #AlSqc2vfFDUkgLixG4 by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2024-08-29T16:12:50Z
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@futurebird This phenomenon is potentially far older than you expect. Look at practically any still life oil painting. There is almost always a bit of cutlery or crockery that overhangs the edge of the table that the objects are resting on. Done deliberately to add tension in the viewer to an otherwise inanimate scene.
(DIR) Post #AlSs9SrHxbB8bxAzmi by paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange
2024-08-29T16:30:07Z
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@futurebird pretty sure most cats think *all* food is cat food. :)
(DIR) Post #AlSsPMuDrNOCma8GFU by knowuh@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T16:33:00Z
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@futurebird It’s “the algorithm” slowly triangulating on the flaws of our limbic system. It’s peak capitalism, where billion dollar companies outsource content creation to free labor, and promote that which engages to keep people glued to their advertising platform. It’s the culmination of the best engineering minds of our generation toiling for decades to convert dopamine into money.
(DIR) Post #AlSukGy5KacAMB2CYq by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-08-29T16:59:10Z
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@futurebird Sometimes the attention-getting "wrong" is "physically impossible"-- like the video that was going around several years ago in which someone turns a rock into a shiny faceted gem with a nonsense process involving putting it in peanut butter. If a magician did that on stage it'd be a cool trick, but when the trick is just a video edit it's not even that.
(DIR) Post #AlSwN4NgAD8MZA4NX6 by fenneladon@todon.eu
2024-08-29T17:17:20Z
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@futurebird Trigger traps?
(DIR) Post #AlSxTZqECuSnpZ5eAC by kludgekml@sunbeam.city
2024-08-29T17:29:44Z
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@futurebird I mean, is it just a facet of the term Ragebait?
(DIR) Post #AlT3hLesKt2VcbjJ7Q by emeb@society.oftrolls.com
2024-08-29T18:39:28Z
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@futurebird I've heard it called "engagement farming". It exists for no other purpose than to keep hold of eyeballs.
(DIR) Post #AlT4wKFNxrgPXjVqXw by postscript@eldritch.cafe
2024-08-29T18:53:22Z
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@futurebird I remember this chumbox taxonomy from 2015. A lot of body horror, anxiety-provoking effects!https://medium.com/the-awl/a-complete-taxonomy-of-internet-chum-de0b7a070a2d
(DIR) Post #AlTLnWolYYCN92S7Sy by resl@union.place
2024-08-29T22:02:08Z
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@futurebird "cringe" comes to mind but perhaps that's a subset of the genre in question...
(DIR) Post #AlTOZttZG34GWhtMB6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T22:33:08Z
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@ordinoides @postscript The prose that defines our era... truly.
(DIR) Post #AlU0OuFZOWrShSMrfE by rubinjoni@mastodon.social
2024-08-30T05:37:14Z
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@futurebird Ragebait?