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(DIR) Post #AkiQQfett6APFGdpw0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:42:46Z
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If you are in the US how much does a half gallon of milk cost where you live?Making this a 4 option poll is giving me a headache. Personally I've been finding the price is all over the place and it's a little wild.
(DIR) Post #AkiQgBIqW883jRio7M by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:45:35Z
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Thinking about how milk used to be a staple that was pretty much the same all over the country. My South Bronx grocery has about 20 variations. And the thing about having lots of different versions of a product is it allows differential pricing. So that each person pays the highest possible price they will tolerate. Hotels and airlines do this to extremes.
(DIR) Post #AkiQs8Qx0jtwJADF7w by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:47:44Z
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@futurebird As a side note, I can't help but to have a pretty strong negative kneejerk to the whole "organic" thing and the reminder that you have to pay more for what is essentially the same thing except possibly more likely to kill you if something goes wrong is just...Sorry, I can't help it.(It particularly bugs me because it uses more resources/worse for environment, costs more, and makes prices overall higher for us all by taking over.)
(DIR) Post #AkiQz5wOg49EbVEwTo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:49:00Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou The ultra-pasturized is worth it if you can't drink milk fast enough though.
(DIR) Post #AkiR27c0v7Y8ej9JoG by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:49:29Z
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@futurebird Oh I'm specifically singling out organic here. Ultra-pasteurized has its purpose.
(DIR) Post #AkiR3Vz1nJ3gX0Zuca by jadp@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:49:26Z
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@futurebird oddly, the price of the same Organic Valley Whole Milk can vary from $4.49 in the local IGA to $6.89 at Safeway, 24 miles away to $8.29 at an Organic Bulk Market a few blocks from the Safeway (Western Washington, Olympic Peninsula, near the Pacific Coast)
(DIR) Post #AkiRB3bTC6I8pT9hsO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:51:10Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou They tend to be lumped together... despite the 20 different versions. I "end up" with organic often as it's the least expensive ultrapasturized with the best exp date.
(DIR) Post #AkiRIfsTI2LTYsjwuG by jadp@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:52:30Z
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@futurebird @nazokiyoubinbou agree on the ultrapasturized though organic or not, that’s the only type available and it’s not good for making yoghurt. About 90 minutes away, I can buy raw milk, but that’s problematic, though I simmer it first for ten minutes before making yoghurt
(DIR) Post #AkiRWD84yKLiSFUlDU by faaln@transfem.social
2024-08-07T06:53:01.830Z
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@futurebird@sauropods.win been trending down here a bit, down to about 2.40$ now for a half gallon.
(DIR) Post #AkiRWE2nZRifIA23cm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:54:44Z
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@faaln *new york themed weeping*
(DIR) Post #AkiRirM1F7L4gW2xn6 by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:55:20Z
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@jadp @futurebird Makes sense. Pasteurization gets rid of much of what bacteria like. Ultra-pasteurization intentionally gets rid of even more. It's pretty much the exact opposite of culture-ready milk.I'm actually surprised organic pasteurizes at all these days though. They like to lock on to the anti-whatever-everyone-else-is-doing-that-is-better-for-a-reason fads.
(DIR) Post #AkiRirzMsooYeYSO7k by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:57:16Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou @jadp My understanding is the "organic" label is about hazy notions about overuse of antibiotics, and animals being treated poorly... (see also "grass fed")It also does little to promise that any of those things are being addressed.
(DIR) Post #AkiRm3eHzJbLgW7Ll2 by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:57:50Z
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@futurebird @jadp Yeah, these are much more specific of what it means in regards to milk.
(DIR) Post #AkiRpH3KbosK7oMev2 by falcennial@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:55:16Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou @futurebird is this USA by any chance? it's a very interesting take. in many countries it is perhaps differently regulated, and I think there would, as a result of different thinking, be a huge difference to what you describe. interesting to learn more.
(DIR) Post #AkiRpHuVQ7PSmjF7nk by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:56:55Z
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@falcennial @futurebird Yeah, USA. Regulation is pretty loose on "organic" and mostly "self regulated" (aka organic companies can sell "certification" to other companies for a nice little logo that people believe is official in some way.) It has different meanings depending on which specific thing it refers to, but it largely means stuff like no GMOs or etc playing on people's lack of understanding of what those are.
(DIR) Post #AkiRpIc6o0HuxxdwlU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T06:58:23Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou @falcennial There are some people who seek out unpasteurized milk... which... why.
(DIR) Post #AkiRpItpk6Sxqvw6OO by falcennial@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T06:56:47Z
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@nazokiyoubinbou @futurebird ope, I just read the rest and this is in the context of milk. I get it, I dont think it would differ materially for such a hyperdestructive product. I was thinking for food in general. so nvm.
(DIR) Post #AkiRzfgFtkfFP1Wq00 by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T07:00:14Z
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@futurebird @falcennial Knee-jerk reaction to ignorance.Things that are scientifically accepted as good are bad because science is bad, so do the opposite. We live in such a strong anti-science time right now that people reject things that were well known even in the medieval ages solely because it is scientifically explained.
(DIR) Post #AkiSKFNEtvd7tYRfVo by AwkwardChips@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T07:04:00Z
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@futurebird 0.5gal whole milk is $1.50 at the Target near me (Tempe), Horizon organic is like $4.90 for the cheapest and $6.40 for the most expensive one.There’s whole milk, 2%, 1%.Lactose free versions of the above threeUltra pasteurized versions of the above three.And then organic has above three plus 0%, DHA, grass fed and DHA++.And the Lactose free versions of all organic versions…Honorable mentions go to chocolate milk and strawberry milk and the odd skim milk.This is ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #AkiT4n5dsSMfmiPMlE by spacegeck@astrodon.social
2024-08-07T07:12:16Z
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@futurebird all of the above, somehow. There are a lot of options! There's the $3 regular old plastic jug variety all the way up to nearly $8 grass fed, organic options. But there are also cheaper organic, ultra pasteurized options.
(DIR) Post #AkiTWX2b8nvK7MDDoO by 5tern1@corteximplant.com
2024-08-07T07:17:26Z
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@futurebird I now have a lot of questions about American milk
(DIR) Post #AkiW0tknSXbZ9kUeLw by WearsHats@realsocial.life
2024-08-07T07:45:07Z
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@futurebird I was just marveling at the price this week while browsing Fresh Direct in Manhattan. I've noticed it before, but it still always mystifies me.Quart of milk: $2.79Half gallon of milk: $2.99
(DIR) Post #AkiWH8V0P8JbWNql2u by lenahallesaale@mastodon.green
2024-08-07T07:48:15Z
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@futurebird me, googling "gallon"
(DIR) Post #AkibFrDRg2W3OpqVc0 by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T08:44:04Z
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@futurebird I have no idea, I gave up buying milk years ago because I couldn't find a grocery store that kept it reasonably cold. (I get that there's shelf-stable milk that doesn't need to be kept cold, but I don't care for it.)
(DIR) Post #AkibYaz6FVTsYq4SZs by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T08:45:37Z
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@futurebird by the way, I have been seeing news articles about bird flu forcing shutdowns of dairy cow herds. Unfortunately I have no real idea about how bad the problem is.
(DIR) Post #AkiglvssM74wuoL3b6 by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2024-08-07T09:45:51Z
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@futurebird not in US (in Germany); here, one liter of ultra pasteurized lactose-free cow milk is 1.19 for 1.5% / 1.29 for 3.8%. Ordinary (not lactose-free) UHT cow milk is I think way under one euro. Oat and soy milks are 0.95 or 0.99 depending on the supermarket.But afaik cow milk production is heavily subsidized in the EU.
(DIR) Post #AkihEFkQ63hQd5t6DA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T09:51:00Z
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@IngaLovinde "But afaik cow milk production is heavily subsidized in the EU."It is in the US too!
(DIR) Post #AkikBAbL4g3jf5rU5A by EverydayMoggie@sfba.social
2024-08-07T10:24:02Z
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If you'd asked about another food, I could maybe say. But it's been 50 years since I bought milk. Have no idea what it costs.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #Akil2HNib0o62RobXE by mavu@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T10:33:38Z
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@futurebird "The corn or dry gallon is used (along with the dry quart and pint) in the United States for grain and other dry commodities. It is one-eighth of the (Winchester) bushel, originally defined as a cylindrical measure of 18+1/2 inches in diameter and 8 inches in depth, which made the bushel 8 in × (9+1/4 in)2 × π ≈ 2150.42017 cubic inches."You people over there really need to get in board the metric system. This is not normal... :D
(DIR) Post #AkilbRT55QPlSN5fYO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T10:40:04Z
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@mavu Six Cubic Meters Of Milk
(DIR) Post #Akim2HFpAYWvb7gZua by mavu@mastodon.social
2024-08-07T10:44:52Z
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@futurebird I looked into the origin of the gallon, because I was really expecting it to be based on oil drums.Like "one gallon or a 112th of an standard barrel"But is actually based on British beer, which is arguably worse :)
(DIR) Post #AkinEjbjg4nsxnRFvU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-07T10:58:20Z
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@jadp They seem to change the prices by the expiration date, which makes sense, but it's made buying milk confusing. And it's harder to compare prices. Once they had a sale and when I rung it up I saw $3.50 and thought "that's too low... it must be the older milk" (it wasn't) Even though that used to be a reasonable price.
(DIR) Post #AkipFPH6xXKw6JEvyK by catselbow@fosstodon.org
2024-08-07T11:20:51Z
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@futurebird Here in Charlottesville VA, USA, it looks like typical grocery store prices are $2.50 for a half gallon of regular whole milk and $4 for organic.We buy milk in glass containers from a local-ish company, and it's more expensive ($5.50+$3 deposit). We started buying this after our son was born, out of concern about growth hormones, etc., in mass-produced milk. We've kept it up because of the glass bottles, and to help support smaller local businesses.https://www.homesteadcreameryinc.com/our-values/
(DIR) Post #AkipaRFmnX5gJoeHwm by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2024-08-07T11:24:38Z
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@futurebird I wonder why is it so much cheaper here then! (Since it is, like, $1.5 per half-gallon of ordinary ultra-pasteurized cow / $2 per half-gallon of soy or oat / $2.5 per half-gallon of lactose-free ultra-pasteurized full-fat cow, unless I messed up with units conversion... which is significantly below the lowest option in your poll. And it's even cheaper than that in some other European countries like Spain!)
(DIR) Post #AkispwM7k6HYzEhFmy by kims@mas.to
2024-08-07T12:01:03Z
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@futurebird$2.29 Lucerne Milk$6.99 Horizon OrganicLas Vegas
(DIR) Post #AkiuGQOGnTgTcXtQmW by kevin@dice.camp
2024-08-07T12:17:02Z
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@futurebird Central Texas. I drink vegetable milk but:1/2 gallon $2.051/2 gallong organic $3.94
(DIR) Post #Akj0jM4EY5qUKrhQhs by zaivala@hostux.social
2024-08-07T13:29:31Z
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@futurebird $4.29 gallon whole, $6.79 gallon organic whole. Some stores have gallons of 2%, 1%, and skim at a lower price than whole. As if they are charging you by fat content.
(DIR) Post #AkjBYDacpKaYLxk6Fc by ReverendMoose@mas.to
2024-08-07T15:30:45Z
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@futurebird I'm counting Lactose Free as ultrapasteurized for the purposes of this poll. Typical price is $3.69 per half gallon for store brand, so option three.
(DIR) Post #AkmXNKyRoTNUXFyvoG by maysonic@twit.social
2024-08-09T06:19:25Z
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@futurebird Walmart here has gallons of whole milk for $4! Online!
(DIR) Post #AkmYW4FlRvihEmoB5k by maysonic@twit.social
2024-08-09T06:32:10Z
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@futurebird Back in the ‘50s, we had a milkman who delivered: we had a little insulated cooler on the front porch, and a few times a week we would get a few quart bottles in the morning.