Post AkTJbcsyvKiCmS6caW by dalias@hachyderm.io
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(DIR) Post #AkTEPmTsvKJrIGtpA0 by AnarchoNinaWrites@jorts.horse
2024-07-30T20:07:00Z
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Like, folks don't get it; it's not just age verification, it's not just "no porn," it's not just about predatory advertising techniques used by big tech platforms.The bill gives the FTC (controlled by whoever is President) and State AG's (you know guys like Ken Paxton, hardcore nazis) the ability to force platforms to censor anything they *think* might cause young people "distress or anxiety."They think trans people EXISTING causes that.
(DIR) Post #AkTEPnaendKYjZ4kM4 by AnarchoNinaWrites@jorts.horse
2024-07-30T20:08:21Z
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And how this is going to work is that Tech Companies are not going to wait around to get sued. They're going to take one look at how much it costs to deal with this on a case by case basis and just say "okay fuck it, ban all the queer content because it's cheaper and it's only a matter of time before some nazi parent group sues us and I've got Attorney Generals so far up my asshole I can taste their aftershave." That's how it's going to go.
(DIR) Post #AkTEPp6FBgBvPorUEC by AnarchoNinaWrites@jorts.horse
2024-07-30T20:10:24Z
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So, every single platform "normal" people use the internet on, is going to build a wall around me, my content, everything I do online, to "keep kids safe" - except the result is it's going to keep anyone from seeing me or anything I publish because again, this bill is NOT ABOUT KIDS. There's no magic "this is kids" button on the internet. They're just going to do it for everyone because purely hypothetical kids MIGHT see it. And the fash are ADMITTING it's about getting trans people. OPENLY
(DIR) Post #AkTGNhUchLKr9WNeGO by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T21:57:57Z
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@AnarchoNinaWrites This is part of why we're in a race to destroy "tech companies'" platforms and replace them with something they can't control.The fediverse is a step along that path, but nowhere near far enough.And the space of ideas that do go far enough is full of coinbro brainworms, freeze peach nazis, and other similar garbage displacing and discrediting anyone who actually cares about building the future.
(DIR) Post #AkTGNipvhbyNJtMB72 by AnarchoNinaWrites@jorts.horse
2024-07-30T23:00:01Z
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@dalias I mean what is your average fedi admin going to do when they come to them and say "either take this down or we'll sue you?"I'm pretty sure that doesn't end any differently; if anything it may mean the death of the entire platform.
(DIR) Post #AkTGNkMw0Ny44Xo3CC by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:01:15Z
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@AnarchoNinaWrites Host outside the US.
(DIR) Post #AkTGNlP69pIDHXpICu by AnarchoNinaWrites@jorts.horse
2024-07-30T23:02:44Z
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@dalias Okay but will that content still be accessible by Americans? Like I know for example in other countries with internet censorship regimes, they just block everything from outside regions that don't conform to their laws. You CAN get around those firewalls, but most people won't; so my world and ability to reach people shrinks.
(DIR) Post #AkTGNniJZLquRipfRA by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:03:21Z
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@AnarchoNinaWrites But part of my point was that the model we have isn't good enough to resist this. It's better than Facebook, but that's a low bar. Early stage will be fleeing jurisdiction or fundraising legal battles. But long term needs to be building platforms with technological resilience.
(DIR) Post #AkTGSm630dqQsWIyBs by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-07-30T23:08:31.004893Z
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@dalias @AnarchoNinaWrites And I guess not EU because it seems like we're still not rid of ChatControl…
(DIR) Post #AkTHZYzoDQ2iEFBi64 by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:11:23Z
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@lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites Is ChatControl relevant to platforms that are public not e2ee channels?
(DIR) Post #AkTHZZpZ6zRWolP2lk by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-07-30T23:22:20.332686Z
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@dalias @AnarchoNinaWrites The text is horribly long politics+legal but skimming through it, the core of it is detection of known CSAM.Which yeah would be useful, problem is more on how it could be implemented while preserving privacy and control over false positives (or abuse of the system to censor other material).
(DIR) Post #AkTHZbiY631Efa8T6u by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:16:29Z
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@lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites BTW this is one of the reasons I'm big on "remove DMs from Mastodon entirely, don't try to add e2ee". By being a public-only venue, you're immune to a whole regulatory regime targeted at private interpersonal communication. Let experts in that, with the technological, legal, or jurisdictional resources to protect e2ee, handle that.
(DIR) Post #AkTI0dOHz2f9g5XxDc by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-07-30T23:27:17.564872Z
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@dalias @AnarchoNinaWrites Specially Mastodon more than the other Fediverse software in fact given how the moderation in it entirely relies on the moderators seeing it.
(DIR) Post #AkTImtl6QmhoLHEQAi by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:34:15Z
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@lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites Yes, another big problem with doing DMs is that there's no privacy-respecting way to reconcile it with moderation. The only winning move is really not to play.If you have a platform where people interact with others they don't know and trust and have their own full control over who can contact them and how, don't let people create things on your platform that isn't not ethical for mods to look at.
(DIR) Post #AkTJbcsyvKiCmS6caW by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:41:17Z
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@ariadne @lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites It would be such an improvement. I'd love to see a well-regarded instance go ahead with removing DMs, to set a precedent for others to do it.If it seems too disruptive, the place where DM was formerly in the UI could be replaced with a message to check the user's profile for private contact link, and maybe automatically pulling chat-platform links from there.
(DIR) Post #AkTJbe8yFN60gKau9I by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-30T23:44:44Z
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@ariadne @lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites One consideration if going forward with this is to make sure users have a way to archive/access their old DMs even if they miss the notice of change. Transforming DMs to downloadable archive content at the same time as removal would probably be ideal. Some people probably have existing DMs with significant personal value, e.g. from deceased friends, etc. I don't think existing archive is bidirectional for DMs (b/c of how the're botched as post visibility...)
(DIR) Post #AkTsaxvahWke9CkMIS by Life_is@no-pony.farm
2024-07-31T04:53:21Z
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@dalias @lanodan @AnarchoNinaWritesChatControl is relevant to Web Browsers and OSs. You May be able to circumvent ChatControl on your local Maschine, you May even be able to outsmart ChatControl when you use the Internet to communicate with a Person you personally know. But once you communicate with anyone and have not absolut control about the OS they use, you get exposed to it.
(DIR) Post #AkTsayn7UVZMpDn6jQ by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-31T05:02:48Z
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@Life_is @lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites I was asking about what legal requirements would be imposed on a communication channel where everything is public, and you seem to be answering a completely different question about technical threats to private channels from proposed backdoor software.
(DIR) Post #AkTsazXugX03ALgTfU by Life_is@no-pony.farm
2024-07-31T05:26:56Z
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@dalias You introduced ChatControl into the thread (and you actually coined it into a question). Yes, this is a different aspect. But it has consequences for public communication.If you do not like my contribution, just ignore me.@lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites Whatever the supporters of ChatControl say or actually intend: ChatControl has universal consequences and does not differentiate between private and public, between ee2e, encrypted, weak encrypted or not encrypted at all, as it is deep embedded into every communication device.
(DIR) Post #AkTsb0HHxpIPR4uiOW by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-31T05:36:08Z
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@Life_is @lanodan @AnarchoNinaWrites I did not. ChatControl was brought up, not by me, in the context of whether it would be a counterindication for hosting Mastodon/fedi instances in EU. Not as a prompt for answering some random different question about it.