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(DIR) Post #AkQ7r73VFo6zlmlWRE by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T10:40:42.640133Z
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(DIR) Post #AkQ844lD69CaPsOGY4 by RadicalCartoons@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T10:52:17.530447Z
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@LadyMont @Mynona Sexuality is certainly "developed" through our teenage and early adult life, because none of us would have a "sexuality" without going through puberty.Sexual orientation is another matter. This OP seems to be inferring it can be a political choice.
(DIR) Post #AkQE50n7wLQI7Z7Hfs by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T11:52:36.482969Z
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@RadicalCartoons @LadyMont It was for me and I exist in the same reality and am of the same specie as you
(DIR) Post #AkQE6cDSHWJ6TtCCxM by RadicalCartoons@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T11:59:59.159982Z
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@Mynona @LadyMont I'm not arguing, just making an observation.
(DIR) Post #AkQrEQiun6WJMmd0kK by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T14:47:54.247497Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons You can’t become a lesbian. You are either born one or you’re not. It’s a slap int he face of actual lesbians to claim to be lesbian because you won’t have sex with males anymore. It’s disgusting.its exactly what those trannies are saying about lesbians.
(DIR) Post #AkQrERNgLX87PDhZI0 by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T17:40:47.569174Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons What's disgusting, de-colonizing your brain from any attachment to your oppressor? Well you're free to think whatever you like. Btw I never had sex with men to begin with, if sexual history defines a woman until the end of her days in your opinion.
(DIR) Post #AkQrERqkbSNkrNImbA by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-29T19:04:44.663437Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons Denouncing basic biology has fuck all to do with "colonization" and "oppressors". Sexual orientation is hardwired in the brain. It's not a choice as you claim. In fact claiming sexual orientation is a choice, makes you deeply homophobic.
(DIR) Post #AkRzd4TDesVGNeVW5Y by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T08:19:21.116018Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons Well it's not. Firstly there's still no actual evidence of what you said. Secondly I'm not saying that something which is socially engineered and enforced is a choice for everyone. People either comply or they find it impossible to comply to something which harms them and/or makes no sense to them. I'm saying that it can be a choice to reject and overwrite the heterosexual programming which I did. I used to love men and now I don't. I used to not love women and now I do. By definition, it's a change. Sorry if I'm being phobic towards lesbians by being one.
(DIR) Post #AkS0oDbW8gl5qeGg8e by RadicalCartoons@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T08:40:24.744617Z
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@Mynona @LadyMont I have sympathy to both of your arguments, but I just want to suggest that what you're calling a change in sexuality is a change in preferred lifestyle. (Which we all, at least in the First World, have a choice to change if we are determined enough).Many women (I'm one of them) viewed the prospect of life with men so ghastly, and experienced abusive relationships and DV, that we chose to be celibate for most of our lives and not live with men.Choosing to be celibate and single was a my lifestyle for much of my adult life, so I was rejecting the heterosexual programming too. Some (like the trans lobby) would call a change to celibacy a change in sexuality. I'm sure they have a "gender identity" for it. But being celibate and solitary didn't make me not heterosexual. If I had chosen to live with women instead, it would simply be learning new sexual techniques and patterns of behaviour, I wouldn't explain it as changing my underlying sexuality. I can only speak for myself, of course.
(DIR) Post #AkS5N1m4Vtb56w3gv2 by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T09:18:04.573060Z
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@RadicalCartoons @LadyMont This conversation is pretty difficult to have while you both still define orientation through sex and romance. I can say that I can be sexually attracted to women and feel nothing towards men if it's so so so so important and therefore fit the sex-centric criteria of being a lesbian as well. But for me orientation is about the vector of attention, about identification, connection between equals. The ability to have sex and romance are minor compared to that and they stem directly from what I described.
(DIR) Post #AkS5N2YdbKRfXYmTcO by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T09:25:25.584924Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons Woke bs
(DIR) Post #AkS5N3Dl8RL3b61JiK by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T09:26:20.874556Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons Well I'd be happy to take biological orientation test/bran scan/whatever but alas it doesn't exist
(DIR) Post #AkSWh64QwoSezORQdU by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T09:28:13.587269Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons So you're saying you'd go flat on your back if only the right dick came along. Good for you, you're not a lesbian. Lesbians are human females that are hardwired to be attracted to other human females, because sexual attraction is a chemical reaction in the brain that cannot be trained.Basic biological facts.
(DIR) Post #AkSWh6ynZFY1oCoRUW by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T09:53:12.725210Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons No I'm not saying that. And I'm not gonna argue with the most idiotic strawman of myself either. If you want to know something, just ask instead of doing that
(DIR) Post #AkSWh7ts93CYfDW1S4 by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T10:16:04.178994Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons You are. You're claiming sexual attraction is learned, when it's a biological fact it's a chemical reaction in the brain. You claim you can unlearn your lesbianism. Good for you, trannies and bible thumpers love you.
(DIR) Post #AkSWh8V5ueyYWevkTA by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T10:21:29.431991Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons I claimed that you can unlearn heterosexuality. You're aware that you're saying the opposite of what I'm saying? No man has the experience of living as a woman and no man's personality, beliefs, thought patterns was shaped by being a woman. Therefore there is no man that will make me "go flat on my back". By that logic I can say that you'd go flat on your back if you meet a man that perfectly surgically altered himself to look like a woman. But you won't, because 1) this hypothetical is not true and not close to being true 2) you know that there's more to women and men than just body parts
(DIR) Post #AkSWh9ADRlrwaCAaZ6 by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T12:16:08.711014Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons If you can unlearn heterosexuality you can unlearn homosexuality. Ergo sexuality isn't a hardwire concept but a mere choice. Just like the bible thumpers keep telling us. >By that logic I can say that you'd go flat on your back if you meet a man that perfectly surgically altered himself to look like a woman. < False because the chemical reaction in the brain doesn't respond to looks. It responds to smell, which in turn is nothing but chemicals that define the female or male sex. You cannot alter that only the outside. Ergo, its freaking hardwired in the brain.
(DIR) Post #AkSWhA3A9TozKbsTD6 by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T14:23:01.620427Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons Well. There WERE lesbians that later "realized" that they like men. So what? It doesn't mean that torture and brainwashing are acceptable anyway. If you insist on biological origin, I can say that you want for gays and lesbians to undergo gene therapy or genocide. But I don't. Only I have to defend against absolutely ridiculous claims here.>False because the chemical reaction in the brain doesn't respond to looks. It responds to smellI wonder what happens when people feel attracted to images or even fictional characters. I wonder if people lose the ability to feel attraction when they lose the ability to smell
(DIR) Post #AkSWhAcG2ztV5SIUue by EatKnitSleepAgain@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T14:36:00.077251Z
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@Mynona @LadyMont @RadicalCartoons ' I wonder if people lose the ability to feel attraction when they lose the ability to smell'I thought this question was very interesting, so I looked it up. According to this study, some of people do experience a loss of attraction when they lose their sense of smell.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938418309880#:~:text=Smell%20disorder%20patients%20report%20decreased,not%20state%20sexual%20problems%20spontaneously.
(DIR) Post #AkSWhBPt4TapZNW8Gm by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T14:37:10.694278Z
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@EatKnitSleepAgain @Mynona @RadicalCartoons Chemistry. You can like the look of someone, meet them for real, smell them, and lose all attraction instantly and vice versa. It's common knowledge ffs.
(DIR) Post #AkT01QCYhwidt3Hlyq by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T14:25:07.198822Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons They weren't lesbians. They were bi at most. >I wonder what happens when people feel attracted to images or even fictional characters. < It's called a preference or in some cases a disorder.>If you insist on biological origin, I can say that you want for gays and lesbians to undergo gene therapy or genocide< The fuck?!
(DIR) Post #AkT01RTby1xBqEGuCO by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T14:52:51.027930Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons Yeah, why can't I say "the fuck???!??!?!" when you tell me that I'm a bible thumber and a tra when fighting for women is my life's purpose? Now you know how I feel
(DIR) Post #AkT01SMYfjuEadymqO by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T15:01:59.035668Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons You are claiming sexuality is a choice. How the fuck is that fighting for women? You are denying basic biology.
(DIR) Post #AkT01TKT4zpPaS0dE0 by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T15:20:05.089329Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons Easy. It means most women are not in fact born to love men and do not need a biological defect/mutation to love other women. Also gotta remind you that there's still no evidence of your "basic biology"
(DIR) Post #AkT01U1iUCQHkaFAdU by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T15:27:28.463851Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons SO you're saying every woman is a lesbian but is forced to pretend to like males. How is that any different than what the bible thumpers are saying?
(DIR) Post #AkT01UrTNlp6L6SVJA by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T15:39:51.617985Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons I'm not saying that, can you stop coming up with stupid things and attributing them to me? I said in the very beginning that sexuality is developed during life. Nobody is born with any orientation. However lesbianism makes the most sense for women while heterosexuality makes zero sense and that's why it's being forced on everyone since birth, and that's why most women are straight. The conversion therapy is still going and it affects EVERYONE and it's successful in most cases. Those whom it didn't work on are lesbians and gays and just torturing and brainwashing them further is not going to work and no it's not what I dream about happening and you can stop accusing me of that.
(DIR) Post #AkT01Vj0Akdp17VFk8 by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T16:12:31.942607Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons Yeah that's not how nature works. You're literally saying it's learned behavior that can be unlearned. You can pretend it's not but it is. If what you're saying is true we would've died off as a species and never developed one bit. And you know it too. You just want all women to unlearn they're sexuality and become lesbians. Retardation we call that.
(DIR) Post #AkT01Wgua0Z00vX67k by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T17:48:36.470564Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons It's not a learned behavior, it's a learned system of thought and reaction patterns. In nature there are no straight or gay animals at all and there's no evolutionary benefit in developing a system that makes it impossible for animals to engage in homosexual acts. So far the only animals with a "hardwired" block on homosexuality in most of the specie are humans which is super weird seeing how we're the most advanced and not governed by instinct.
(DIR) Post #AkT01XVbXX74Y9Fa8e by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T17:53:59.796217Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons I've never seen two female elephants hump each other. Male otters literally rape baby seals as they kill them, they don't count as "gay/bi". They just suck.Choosing to be celibate does not mean "unlearned heterosexuality = lesbianism" A straight woman that no longer chooses to have sex with a male is still a straight woman. It is biologically necessary for a species to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to survive. It's literally hardwired into the brain, like breathing and the desire to eat and shit. The ones who aren't wired like that in general don't get to reproduce.>learned system of thought and reaction patterns< In other words learned behavior.
(DIR) Post #AkT01YDCvPzWjNeP6O by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T18:10:33.561735Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons I'm not "choosing to be celibate". Check the thread, I don't want to explain it all over again
(DIR) Post #AkT01Yil27EEJEPbHM by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T18:19:05.244939Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons you're saying it's silly for women to be sexually attracted to males and that it can only be a learned behavior they should unlearn, because you did, because you claim to be born without a sexuality and were taught to be attracted to males, but choose not to be. If animals would be born without, we wouldn't ever reproduce. Biology!!! And that all women can choose to be lesbians. If a straight woman can unlearn her heterosexuality, then a lesbian can unlearn her lesbianism. You're homophobic as fuck.
(DIR) Post #AkT01ZFN4rJfwNfe76 by Mynona@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T18:56:39.983327Z
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@LadyMont @RadicalCartoons Not silly, it's outright harmful to women personally and as a whole. Animals have instincts to reproduce. They have reproductive seasons and rituals. They don't build heterosexual nuclear families with the conscious intention of having babies.The ability to reject a bad thing in favor of a good thing doesn't mean it's imperative for everyone who is already doing a good thing to reject it and choose the bad thing. But you don't want to hear me.
(DIR) Post #AkT01ZuUbyD3zuuUD2 by LadyMont@spinster.xyz
2024-07-30T20:05:13.871541Z
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@Mynona @RadicalCartoons The heterosexual nuclear family is something that was created approximately 10k years ago. Before that humans lived very differently. Yes, the nuclear family is complete bs but is has fuck all to do with sexual attraction. You're conflating things. We haven't been around for a couple centuries. Humans have been around for at least 2 million years and in our current form for at least 350k years. The hell. Sexuality is innate like the need to eat etc. In general women will be attracted to males. Exclusively, probably not, but foremost absolutely in order to breed. We're not any different in that from a dog or an elephant or a chimpanzee. FFS.