Post AkM96G1bVkG9Flp596 by zannesan@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AkM3TeVO3nQG75WfnE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T11:41:57Z
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Joseph Smith was very creative (don't think he would like to be called "creative") But, all human stories are "made up" in the end. "Made up" doesn't mean worthless, throw it in the trash. The Mormon church has tried to blend in with a more generic Christian aesthetic often and oddly? It made me kind of sad. The racism, the manifest destiny, the sexism are horrible. But, the stuff that is just weird is another example of what I love about humans as creatures.
(DIR) Post #AkM3mrfrK4TESSaLy4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T11:45:24Z
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Often when I learn about religions I'm attracted to all of the "stuff" the trappings and traditions and little details... but I'm not impressed as much with the ideology or plans for world domination. I wonder about the process that allows culture to be "made up" -- because often the people inventing it don't see themselves as authors and designers, but they are still making a kind of art. "Religion as Art"Sounds like a fast path to hell, doesn't it?
(DIR) Post #AkM543JzN6PdSU7DYe by matera@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-07-27T11:59:40Z
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@futurebird pretty muchWhat gets me is the extreme substitution of the art for reality - the buildings, with their heavenly ceilings, blocking out the sky, denying everything in the alleged god's creation.
(DIR) Post #AkM5CfFsDePjQMITHU by mcsquank@mastodon.online
2024-07-27T12:01:16Z
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@futurebird somewhere in Charles Adams' (son of JQA) journals he meets Joe Smith in Indiana maybe? Illinois? and Smith offers to show some of the Mormon relics, then stored in his mom's basement. After Adams and his companion view the relics, Smith lets them know his mom normally charges a quarter to view them.
(DIR) Post #AkM6TISWKMAbbIhuJU by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-07-27T12:15:27Z
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It seems like there's been this tension in which non-Mormons interpret some of the odder aspects of LDS theology as colorfully and science-fictionally as possible, in a bid to disparage them ("men eventually become Gods and get their own planets to rule! God lives on another planet with Mrs. God!"), and then Mormons come back with arguments that these are vile slanders and the real interpretation is something much more nebulous and less interesting.
(DIR) Post #AkM8IzBZKY0EpzzP2O by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T12:36:01Z
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@futurebird creative, but, (like many), also borrowed; for example, the idea of Indigenous Americans being descended from Jews is older; maybe even from the 1500s. But Joseph Jr had his imaginary Jews leave Jerusalem about 700 years earlier, and they went the HARD way; instead of a shortcut through the Mediterranean and Atlantic, they crossed a desert to the Indian Ocean, crossed the Indian Ocean, and then the Pacific! He knew how to appeal to the Protestant Work Ethic.
(DIR) Post #AkM8fx69G1mb1YPBI0 by generika@bananachips.club
2024-07-27T12:40:07Z
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@futurebird I'm intrigued by the hat. I haven't seen the book of Mormon play but want to. The shakers were another fascinating group of that time period but without the staying power because obsolescence was baked in. Great furniture and seed packets though.
(DIR) Post #AkM96G1bVkG9Flp596 by zannesan@mastodon.social
2024-07-27T12:44:55Z
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@futurebird well, yes…we are storytellers and myth makers. Everything we accept as reality today is basically ideas that we have mutually agreed upon as truth. That’s why so much attention on banning certain books. This is why people want to deny certain historical facts. If we accept it as true, how does this change our future?
(DIR) Post #AkMAK5p6Ky6Xcc8USW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T12:58:40Z
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@generika As far as I can tell the Shakers avoided many of the dark places young religions (cults) can end up. They didn't become a haven for various kinds of sexual predators and people drunk on power. The well loved charismatic leader says: "Now give me all your money, and your wife, and your child..." this is such common pattern in cults it makes me wonder things about human nature.
(DIR) Post #AkMD5nymBRVi5WXXZg by dogfox@mastodon.social
2024-07-27T13:29:38Z
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Really? Prophets in the Book of Mormon are awful, creepy narcissists. In the book of Mormon God tells a prophet he is going to send him away and wipe out Israel; kill everyone this dude ever knew. All the guy can think of is how uwu special he is because God talked to him. That kind of thing happens over and over.Compare that to Ezekiel who was not real excited to get told he had to eat bread cooked with human poop.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AkMErHWSGCAPHNUlqC by rayhindle@mastodon.social
2024-07-27T13:49:24Z
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@futurebird I have to admit though, it has given us some wonderful architecture.
(DIR) Post #AkMEzz5ABpC8h6sbGy by generika@bananachips.club
2024-07-27T13:50:56Z
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@futurebird I went on a Shaker kick when I took a quilting class. The Shakers spiritual leader was a woman, which makes me question how did that make it different? This is another paper waiting to be written (or perhaps has already been).
(DIR) Post #AkMFYhnCSr6JCs29gW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T13:57:17Z
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@generika I think the combination of having a female leader for such groups in the context of a social order that doesn't um... valorize women as agents of adventures of sexual conquest is a powerful check on the dark places cults can go.So, it's a rare case of sexist ideas preventing some harm. And there could still be harm just from the standpoint of emotional abuse and power abuse.