Post AkL2N6AOWV1mlS3enw by jackcole@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AkK9E7ayLaGP6tCDwm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T13:36:57Z
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It's not really about who "has kids" or who has raised kids--Childless women shouldn't be able to vote because they are not doing the only thing women are supposed to do. Women outside the lines have the wrong values. In this view there is no contradiction in not supporting IVF. As, one conservative pastor said "they wouldn't need IVF if they got married young." IVF helps older women.This is also why a gay man with kids also doesn't count. It's consistent.
(DIR) Post #AkK9fCn58gaB2em6QS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T13:41:49Z
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Personally, since I am a teacher and invested in the lives of hundreds if not thousands of young people I should have extra votes for every student I've taught. Yes? Correct?No? Hm.This isn't about being invested in young people at all.
(DIR) Post #AkKDxYkEeWdSA0S0hs by afeinman@wandering.shop
2024-07-26T14:29:56Z
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@futurebird ...that's too many votes. What about 60% of them? Can we compromise on 3/5ths?
(DIR) Post #AkKzWXPSIvYk05ubxI by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T23:22:54Z
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@futurebird it's a culture thing and being a woman trying to carve out her own carreer is certainly not the culture vance is looking for.
(DIR) Post #AkKznnYfW8hj0WS4rw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T23:26:01Z
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@barrygoldman1 Well. Maybe if raising kids were a more evenly split duty it might not be such a huge ask. Heck. If I knew that most public schools were "pretty good" and didn't feel like having a kid meant possibly hatching a 15 year long plot to get them enough of a scholarship (or just scrape together a lump of cash) so that they can learn a few things without being an indentured servant to a bank it MIGHT seem a little less daunting.
(DIR) Post #AkL0CSW2tC6wz9z4Yi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T23:30:30Z
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@barrygoldman1 I apologize if this sounded catty it's not directed at you. I'm just grouchy about how difficult this stuff is.
(DIR) Post #AkL0VPYU7ZE7IzA6zY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T23:33:56Z
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@barrygoldman1 I've encountered people who say stuff like "have the kid it will all work out!"I mean... of course it will "all work out" once you have a kid you'll do whatever you can to make it work out. And to the extent that it doesn't work out, there isn't any point on focusing on that. But I think most people would feel bad if they can't provide for their kids at least something as good as what they grew up with. And THAT isn't a small order at all.
(DIR) Post #AkL21HteEOIUlzpBzs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T23:50:53Z
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It's not a good thing if people who might want to have kids in your country aren't doing it because they see too many barriers and obstacles. This is controversial but more people is generally a good thing. I guess the difference between how I see this and conservatives is I don't care what color/religion they are?It would be great if we supported parents more in the workplace, invested in education and health care, made having kids less fear inducing.
(DIR) Post #AkL2N6AOWV1mlS3enw by jackcole@mstdn.social
2024-07-26T23:54:47Z
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@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AkL2hqiZ9mTqvpw6bo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-26T23:58:35Z
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@secretsloth It's kind of a grim little project. And worthwhile and all that... but I think about this all the time. Of course not everyone goes to college, but you don't want the reason to be "uh we just can't help you to do that even though you want to"
(DIR) Post #AkL2jTaw6BODnQ8wEq by swart@mastodon.cloud
2024-07-26T23:58:43Z
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@futurebird Republicans shut down the child tax credit though. There’s a huge gap between what they say and what they mean.
(DIR) Post #AkL2l8e0xk3LOnNLpw by Jon_Kramer@mastodon.social
2024-07-26T23:58:50Z
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@futurebird I think humanity is a swarm of locusts.
(DIR) Post #AkL2mwh4Ml2quhfN9E by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-07-26T23:58:58Z
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@futurebird The key to understanding Republicans sanctimony is that they are absolutely lying.They believe in the family in the same way they believe in God. In the abstract. Entirely detached from the things they do except as an excuse.They will not act to make it easier to manage a family. They *will* moralize to struggling people and use their struggles as prima facie evidence that God does not like you.
(DIR) Post #AkL2vXwPlT1EkdweZ6 by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2024-07-27T00:00:56Z
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@futurebird If conservatives want more kids, they need to undo the last 4 decades of wealth redistribution.The wealth concentration we have now pretty much requires population contraction.
(DIR) Post #AkL31n3CV7ObLl62N6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T00:02:09Z
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@Jon_Kramer I rather like locusts, fascinating creatures. Something about the ordinary grasshopper changes when they are in large groups... they even end up looking different...And there is something of the swarm in humans, beautiful in our masses.But what really changed my view on this issue was working out the minimal world population needed to have computers. And realizing only with *even more* people could we have MORE than computers.
(DIR) Post #AkL38CzOySqFXENchs by virtualinanity@toot.community
2024-07-27T00:03:20Z
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@futurebird sometimes they’re coded about it but often times they’re explicit about who they think is having too few babies and who’s having too many babies
(DIR) Post #AkL3KO95K0C9btiW7U by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T00:05:31Z
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@michaelgemar I just don't want them to exploit sad wannabe grandmas and grandpas ... who wish their kids would "settle down" but have not really thought about WHY that isn't happening. (If it's not that they just don't want to.)
(DIR) Post #AkL3wdVOf7qiFhOJZg by viq@social.hackerspace.pl
2024-07-27T00:12:25Z
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@futurebird @Jon_Kramer Huh. That is certainly an interesting view. (No sarcasm intended)
(DIR) Post #AkL4HczrkSFkkweWBs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T00:16:16Z
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@viq @Jon_Kramer I really think far too many people underestimate just how many people it takes to keep "civilization" such as it is... rolling along. When COVID first hit and there were predictions about like 5% of the population being dead in a year (the early more alarmist ones) I was shocked at how many people thought that wouldn't... break everything. What we got was slower, less lethal and has not stopped. But with a different virus? Things can go bad fast.
(DIR) Post #AkL4P8Jnh5UfvQYVJw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T00:17:38Z
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@viq @Jon_Kramer Of course "more people" isn't a solution if those people aren't thriving. But we can't have the world as we know it without billions of people. It can't be done. The people who think it can scare me to death.
(DIR) Post #AkL4YJzHg5lairLATg by Jon_Kramer@mastodon.social
2024-07-27T00:19:13Z
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@futurebird @viq Billions, sure. 8 billion is killing us all. We should top out about 4.
(DIR) Post #AkL4wSngYyyp0OQXjc by viq@social.hackerspace.pl
2024-07-27T00:23:37Z
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@futurebird @Jon_Kramer COVID is slower and less lethal, but more insidious - it disables instead of killing, and damages brain too.I was going to say something about less developed countries, but guess where the mines are... So you're right. And I've seen somewhere someone muse, that with all the knowledge we have, but none of the tools, it would take a lot of time and iterations to get to where we are. Not relevant to what you said, just was reminded.
(DIR) Post #AkL5mVYLZf8abJ4MLY by tsturm@famichiki.jp
2024-07-27T00:32:41Z
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@futurebird @Jon_Kramer It’s a really interesting point that isn’t made often enough. It takes a lot of shoulders to carry civilization forward.
(DIR) Post #AkL5pCLhQlFVuRR7Jo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T00:33:26Z
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@tsturm @Jon_Kramer Might make everyone feel a little too valuable and needed.
(DIR) Post #AkL8CiklJngqyhVHAO by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T01:00:11Z
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@futurebird i'm watching my sister and brother and law raise 2 kids. AND they waitd till 40yrs. they share alot of work (mother still takes brunt physically, not sure how to even that out) and it is ALOT.
(DIR) Post #AkL8TIEj9ysvf2QCxM by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T01:03:07Z
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@futurebird @viq @Jon_Kramer well... a lot DID break!
(DIR) Post #AkL8mrUyHTccWgLoBM by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T01:06:44Z
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@futurebird @Jon_Kramer hard call. i like planetary exploration. what's the minimum human population, extreme industry that would be needed to pull that off? no doubt large. trade offs. i suppose maybe i cold find a dozen other things to find fascinating without planetary exploration! and computers??? i was definitely happier before computers!
(DIR) Post #AkL9qF1NNelSIrgPtA by robotistry@sciencemastodon.com
2024-07-27T01:18:28Z
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@futurebird @michaelgemar Places that have introduced child support payments haven't seen increased birth rates. I think we need to address a whole spectrum of barriers - money, yes, but also time (child care) and cultural investment (reintroduce liminal public spaces, let kids do stuff by themselves / normalize dropping them off places rather than hanging around while they play, make extracurriculars truly optional).
(DIR) Post #AkLA0xLtPjiGgmOB3Q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T01:20:25Z
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@robotistry @michaelgemar Well if people aren't having kids because it's expensive and they are worried about schools it's one thing. If they just don't want to as much... that's fine?A kind of natural limiting factor on endless growth.
(DIR) Post #AkLAeNrGnazgBprkH2 by robotistry@sciencemastodon.com
2024-07-27T01:27:36Z
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@futurebird @michaelgemar I'm fine with the "just don't want to" crowd. I'm thinking that the "wanted three or four kids, but even if I had money and child care, I just don't have the bandwidth to handle extracurricular obligations and homework help for even two kids" crowds would be the ones that need the support.
(DIR) Post #AkLAw3rrrShDP4ZhMu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-27T01:30:43Z
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@corbden @nazgul Homeschooling increases inequality if it becomes the default option and the public schools are starved. Because who can afford to have a parent do that? Which parents have the education to be at all effective?What if neither parent is totally fluent in English? Or if you don't have a parent who graduated High School?
(DIR) Post #AkLBtyu7ResvNrCS9I by cshlan@dawdling.net
2024-07-27T01:41:34Z
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@futurebirdI feel like density is more important than any particular population size of the whole. @Jon_Kramer
(DIR) Post #AkLOnFsREzFpOwXKzI by dgoldsmith@mastodon.social
2024-07-27T04:05:58Z
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@futurebird Given the impact 8.1 billion humans are having on our ecosystem, I don't feel that more people is a good thing. Since rich countries are having by far the most impact, it seems to me we should be leading the way in slowly shrinking the population.I would never want to stop people who want kids from having them, but I don't think we need to *encourage* (or worse, force) people to have kids.