Post AkJgHGvXDAUMFXxpp2 by hamishcampbell@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AkJeyxQAtXy8aRzzBQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-07-26T07:57:46Z
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A fundamental problem with P2P maximalism is that it ignores the specialisation benefits that come with federated networks based on connecting Community-to-Community (C2C).Why I think this takes some explaining, so I've written a piece for the Bridge Seat Co-op blog here;https://bridgeseat.substack.com/p/in-defence-of-servers#BridgeSeat #P2P #P2PMaximalism #C2C #federation #decentralisation
(DIR) Post #AkJgHGvXDAUMFXxpp2 by hamishcampbell@mastodon.social
2024-07-26T08:12:21Z
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@strypey Interesting to see the conversation turn to trust in p2phttps://bridgeseat.substack.com/p/in-defence-of-serversThe is no RSS, this link is in a #dotcons silo, which is a bad path for thinking like this... sad and bad path to take.
(DIR) Post #AkREhEnCWi1PhuL332 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-07-29T23:41:12Z
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Another thing that P2P maximalism generally fails to address is that purely P2P systems make it much harder harder to give a third party digital power of attorney.(1/?)#P2P #P2PMaximalism #digitalPowerOfAttorney
(DIR) Post #AkREk13o2TVHzDQjoG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-07-29T23:41:14Z
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Imagine pure P2P apps replaced everything we currently do with servers, including financial services. Bob has a stroke and is suddenly unable to do his own life admin. So his daughter Alice needs to take over.In a server-based world, admins can respond to court orders to give Alice access to Bob's accounts. Or Bob can give them Alice's contact info and tell them to give her access if he's incapacitated.I've yet to see a pure P2P system that can smoothly handle this kind of situation.(2/2)
(DIR) Post #AkRIsrfeiZXfHvbobw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-07-30T00:28:08Z
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@hamishcampbell> The is no RSS, this link is in a dotcons silo, which is a bad path for thinking like this... sad and bad path to takeI'm aware of the inconsistency. It's a stop-gap solution. See;https://disintermedia.substack.com/p/there-is-no-spoonWhen the first Bridge Seat servers are production-ready, both the Bridge Seat and Disintermedia blogs will be syndicated to SubStack and other platforms, POSSE-style. After being published on our own AP-enabled server (ideally one that supports paid subscriptions).
(DIR) Post #AkRIvTEe1eC2N4DX04 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-07-30T00:28:09Z
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So having dealt with the medium, any comments on the message itself @hamishcampbell?
(DIR) Post #AkRzXUVNwqeHOArMQa by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2024-07-30T08:25:54Z
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@strypey That's not fundamental to #p2p it's an application layer issue and something which is for example, easily done using #Autonomi. In fact using n-of-m encryption is arguably the best way to do this, so server based systems do not enable it to be done better, but potentially worse.
(DIR) Post #AkSBZSnyRISU93GGVk by hamishcampbell@mastodon.social
2024-07-30T10:40:45Z
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@strypey kinda interesting to look at the mess we need to compost https://disintermedia.substack.com/p/re-democratising-the-internethttps://disintermedia.substack.com/p/indymedia-and-the-fediverse good, but good to link wider :)What's the plan, beyond sanity, I mean the wider plan.
(DIR) Post #AkXzHbaN1OKRfCNNGS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-02T05:51:02Z
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@happyborg > That's not fundamental to #p2p it's an application layer issue Yes, in theory, power of attorney functions can be strapped onto P2P apps. Eg I remember people from SSB talking about giving 7 trusted people keys, any 5 of which could be combined to access the account.But the fact that these functions have to be designed into apps proves that P2P architecture inherently lacks it. With servers, admin powers to do this are baked in.
(DIR) Post #AkXzHcQpsKIQHuvH2e by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-02T05:51:19Z
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@happyborg > using n-of-m encryption is arguably the best way to do thisCan you expand on this?
(DIR) Post #AkY0YPGoABrALQnk7U by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-02T06:05:40Z
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@hamishcampbell > good, but good to link wider :)Not sure what you mean by this.> What's the plan, beyond sanity, I mean the wider plan.Good general question, to which the answer is probably "educate, agitate, organise". To get more specific answers you need to ask more specific questions.
(DIR) Post #AkY0eDAu2v2SZMo6tc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-02T06:06:22Z
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@hamishcampbell > good, but good to link wider :)Not sure what you mean by this.> What's the plan, beyond sanity, I mean the wider plan.Good general question, to which the answer is probably "educate, agitate, organise". To get more specific answers you need to ask more specific questions.(1/?)
(DIR) Post #AkYAVgqtKvg7Xz1SD2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-02T07:56:58Z
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For example, I know you're excited about the possibilities of embodying the spirit of Indymedia in fediverse tools. I had some ideas about that the other day, which I'm in the process of fleshing out and turning into a blog post.What exactly would that look like for you? (2/?)
(DIR) Post #AkYBDHwhIbOj2jWl1s by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2024-08-02T08:04:57Z
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@strypey > But the fact that these functions have to be designed into apps proves that P2P architecture inherently lacks it. With servers, admin powers to do this are baked in.That's a fallacious one-sided argument. Yes, a server has a dictator who you have no control over, who will exercise "power of attorney" whether you give it them or not.1/2
(DIR) Post #AkYBGSlVWqV7T4o6RE by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2024-08-02T08:05:09Z
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@strypey A key based system ensures it can only be exercised with your permission, which is what you want. Unless a server based system implements this in a way that prevents the dictator being a dictator, it isn't power of attorney. And that is hard. Much easier in a system that doesn't have a dictator.2/2
(DIR) Post #AkYBJlBnU8k9Tgfyjo by hamishcampbell@mastodon.social
2024-08-02T08:05:58Z
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@strypey the is a full worked out plan meany people worked on a few years ago https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/indymediaback/ read back a few pages for all the information.The coding and process side is here but only online sometimes https://unite.openworlds.info/ the is a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txCLtKpDwNE&tit's a pretty simple and obverse #KISS path #indymediaback Though, the hard part is to try and mediate the prat ish behaver in the current mess.
(DIR) Post #AkbpdhPTpEa3Bm1CYy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-04T02:22:15Z
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@happyborg> a server has a dictator who you have no control over, who will exercise "power of attorney" whether you give it them or notThis, my friend, is> a fallacious one-sided argumentYou have a serious chip on your shoulder that prevents you discussing this subject in a neutral, evidence-based way. We're done here.
(DIR) Post #AkbplfDVrYXAhiDcUi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-04T02:23:43Z
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@hamishcampbell> the hard part is to try and mediate the prat ish behaver in the current messThat certainly does seem to be the problem ; )
(DIR) Post #Akbtynxj3hJZPOM8GG by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-08-04T03:10:59.763022Z
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@strypey @happyborg He's actually right though.
(DIR) Post #AkcL2gSnZvms4WxqOu by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2024-08-04T08:13:54Z
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@strypey You don't have an answer because there's nothing incorrect in what I said.
(DIR) Post #Akjzjfh5fhVSPWQBwu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-08T00:53:05Z
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@Hyolobrika> He's actually right thoughYou got an argument to support that position?
(DIR) Post #Akk1KVVGchCPTQ1HIe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-08-08T01:10:55Z
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@happyborg> You don't have an answer because there's nothing incorrect in what I saidThat's because;a) you didn't say anything falsifiable. So it's neither correct nor incorrectb) You ignore facts that don't fit your narrow P2P maximalist ideology, so meaningful discussion with you on this subject is impossibleInstead of wasting both our time with this nonsense, can I suggest spending it working on a usable P2P app? One that includes the digital powers of attorney available on servers.
(DIR) Post #AkkcqdBJJAEgrDrkwq by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2024-08-08T08:11:01Z
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@strypey You are dissembling again, but are right in saying there is no point in a discussion when you make false claims, then repeatedly ignore those being refuted.I am writing apps for #p2p that deliver services and give people autonomy. You?