Post AjWGtGRQLdZ9Z43H96 by mmezabet@craftgoblin.club
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(DIR) Post #AjWE62kCHl3wzAEcK0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T11:36:00Z
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Facebook is (still) full of fake photographs of "disabled veterans" sitting on the curb that say "Why don't photos like this ever trend?" But it's not a photo of real people. This strikes me as disrespectful, fraudulent, stolen valor stuff. Never mind the endless whitewashing of the US Military by playing on our valid desire to take care of the people harmed by it.You can report images as "AI generated" but it doesn't do anything. (I suspect it'd be used to make the images less detectable.)
(DIR) Post #AjWEEgTkR8O2XMf368 by SehrLesbisch@chaos.social
2024-07-02T11:37:28Z
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@futurebird just report it as pornographic material and they'll take it down, not like a human being actually looks over those reports
(DIR) Post #AjWGLAbxW9tJdYiq4O by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:01:03Z
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What does it say if we spend our days gazing at fake images of fake suffering heroes from wars never declared, in places we know little about for reasons we can't articulate? Stirrings of national pride, oh & indignation "Why don't images like THIS ever trend?" be 100,000th "like" but don't that irony either!Isn't it dystopian? Something from a heavy-handed sci fi? I'm as unsettled by their popularity as the images themselves. I guess one way to process this would be to write horror of it.
(DIR) Post #AjWGQPXxPondPGLjSC by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-07-02T12:01:13Z
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@futurebird This is because Fecalbook is 100% complicit in the spreading of both misinformation and disinformation.
(DIR) Post #AjWGkLgXTy4dDns2Qi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:05:36Z
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Perhaps I'm missing something about the way people enjoy these images? I just can't help but imagine that the people liking and sharing this stuff must be in some kind of haze not to notice or be bothered by the fakeness of it all. If you scan the comments some people *will* say "this is fake!" but the response they get is "everything is fake" this is the cool "media savvy" response. It's all lies. Nothing is real.But.And I can not stress this enough::: : Everything is NOT fake. : ::
(DIR) Post #AjWGouDb1y4lTzVQ6i by Malwen@toot.wales
2024-07-02T11:45:04Z
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@SehrLesbisch @futurebird Humans certainly used to review content reported as pornographic or violent (I imagine they still do but I don't know for sure). There have been a number of cases where moderators have developed PTSD and other mental health issues because of the content they had to view eg https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/04/ex-facebook-worker-claims-disturbing-content-led-to-ptsd
(DIR) Post #AjWGtGRQLdZ9Z43H96 by mmezabet@craftgoblin.club
2024-07-02T12:07:07Z
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@futurebird I'm on a Discord where we have a dedicated spot for "what fresh. new, bot-posted, AI-generated, dystopian hell is this?" photos. Just when you think you've seen the worst one, no you haven't. *shudder*
(DIR) Post #AjWGvNpjppqx4PR2jQ by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-07-02T12:07:35Z
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@futurebird I look at Fecalbook the same way skeptics looked at that Area 51 video that had Johnathan Frakes narrating it nearly 30 years ago: You shouldn't take it seriously one bit and it serves no value whatsoever.
(DIR) Post #AjWGxATwRlN8Ex5hfU by jpaskaruk@growers.social
2024-07-02T12:07:44Z
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@futurebird My conversations with people in my life who are still using facebook are invariably frustrating and nonsensical and circular.
(DIR) Post #AjWH54n1Uhmiu1mrRI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:09:24Z
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@drakenblackknight I'm only going over there to try to understand the "media environment" of other people. If this were about simply have a good time doing things I like facebook has little to offer beyond about 16 people who I care about a lot who seem to have people THEY care about there and so they don't leave. Which I get.
(DIR) Post #AjWH9A7fbld2bKOQFM by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T12:09:50Z
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@futurebird "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists." ~ Hannah ArendtThe age of AI generated content is wonderful news for the far right.Aside that, i think this content is just designed for mindless reaction farming, many people are going to pass by it and lazily like it, giving reach to these accounts, and thus visibility that can be monetized
(DIR) Post #AjWHLWaBvbaRjbd13A by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-07-02T12:12:09Z
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@futurebird Ahh yes, the Bandwagon Effect. When I left, I posted once a day for a couple weeks beforehand and then pulled the trigger. I've had people asking me what happened to my Fecalbook page for months after I deleted it.I wish I could say I stayed away but my current account there has no friends, only has a tagged post with a burner @signalapp username, and an aliased email. I only check on it once or twice a day if that frequently.
(DIR) Post #AjWHShIWUKrgzfmgnA by mmby@mastodon.social
2024-07-02T12:13:37Z
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@futurebird this reminds me about something I've been told about my great-grandma - television didn't exist when she was a child and young adultuntil she died, she had trouble distinguishing fictional TV content from factual footage - I think she had the same thing to say about fictional TV: What does it say about us if we spend our days gazing at recordings of staged situations with fake people?Now the recording isn't a recording anymore but the same question still has merit.
(DIR) Post #AjWHahIKNrQJIhVXLk by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T12:13:57Z
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@futurebird I recently reactivated my facebook account for reasons, and i have a very small network there, so not a lot of actual content in my feed, the amount of fake information about ancient aliens, obvious pseudoscience, and of course, single women somehow with atypical bodies somehow desperate to know me better is just insane.I’m really worried for people subjected to that every day, seeing so much BS must surely erode the best of critical thinking.
(DIR) Post #AjWHf06APhLImIs5xo by linebyline@bytetower.social
2024-07-02T12:15:51Z
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@futurebird I mean, Facebook('s phony parent company) *was* the subject of the original Torment Nexus tweet.
(DIR) Post #AjWHgpLJNFbDzzpHl2 by benetherington@spacey.space
2024-07-02T12:15:55Z
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@futurebird it’s right wing Soma (thats the opiate in brave new world, right?). It has no subtle meaning, so it’s easy to process. It depicts their ideals: an attractive cishet couple, sacrifice in the military, cheap cars. Then it adds a touch of victimhood, but also a quick solution: if you like this post, things get better. For so many Americans, this is an instant dopamine hit in a lonely life.
(DIR) Post #AjWHkkUxKMhU8HCv1k by dan613@ottawa.place
2024-07-02T12:16:53Z
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@futurebird Everybody wants to go viral. It's a form of self-affirmation. It accelerated with Reality TV, but Andy Warhol captured it first. Everybody wants their 15 minutes of fame. This is especially true on TikTok. Is it real? Is it fake? Why is crucial info left out? I'd better leave a comment to ask my question/express my outrage. And then you've got one more view, and another person who will see more of your posts.
(DIR) Post #AjWHrjlaRkHhtFJoZ6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:18:03Z
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@tshirtman Exactly. I don't think of myself as immune to advertising, propaganda. It has an impact on me... it erodes my boundaries, changes my expectations. This is why I put a lot of effort into making my media environment nearly ad-free. And minimizing my contact with generated bot content. Even with all ads hidden, places like facebook and X are still hazardous. Images are very powerful. I thought a lot about sharing the image that inspired this post since more people would see it.
(DIR) Post #AjWI0fYdSr6NRVWIIC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:19:36Z
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@benetherington This is what I suspect, but I would be thrilled to be "educated" by someone who could show that this is mistaken. That I'm not giving people enough credit. I don't want to think this is true.
(DIR) Post #AjWIRPCIOqO2WLorey by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:24:35Z
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@dan613 Everyone wants to go viral. I agree, Dan. But why? If I'm excited to see a lot of "likes" it's because I hope they will talk to me and be cool interesting people who could be my friends. I want people who I respect to like my little stories and drawings. I want to talk to other teachers, know they understand & respect the challenges of my job. In the end, it's about connecting with other real people, isn't it? Would you rather have 1000 likes or ONE like from someone you admire?
(DIR) Post #AjWIVPUzDkh8c8TIDw by econads@mendeddrum.org
2024-07-02T12:24:59Z
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@futurebird @futurebird @benetherington I read an article which opined that watching and talking about news makes you feel like you are doing something to remedy the terrible situations shown on it, but in fact you're not. Then you'd be less likely to actually do anything (although how you can do something about what you don't know about I'm not sure). Similar, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AjWIWxn3DCBbFxf4i0 by fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe
2024-07-02T12:25:11Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman@mas.to Exactly, what we consume shapes how we think and both words and images have a lot of power to shape our perceptions, as do our social environments. Who we listen to and who we hang around with can change us, even if we're sure it doesn't.... especially if we're sure it doesn't.
(DIR) Post #AjWIaEleXwgemPZKDI by kotaro@kotaro.me
2024-07-02T12:23:12.798Z
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@tshirtman@mas.to @futurebird@sauropods.win Continuous exposure to those BS information must wear out our psyche and weaken some kind of immunity.And above all, it desensitizes us to the moral standards that we should take for granted and demand in order to lead a healthy and civilized life.
(DIR) Post #AjWIe0HGMXPszv9MKe by andrewfeeney@phpc.social
2024-07-02T12:26:52Z
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@futurebird @benetherington It’s entirely possible that this “trend” you’ve noticed is artificially created by bot/troll farms and such.
(DIR) Post #AjWIla7bUcxKC4FHWq by Leendaal@rollenspiel.social
2024-07-02T12:23:48Z
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@dan613 @futurebird i don't.
(DIR) Post #AjWIlb7HnIIPHN6Xfk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:28:14Z
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@Leendaal @dan613 nirvana must be nice :)
(DIR) Post #AjWIuBScYFT0JbB5mq by benetherington@spacey.space
2024-07-02T12:29:47Z
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@futurebird just asked my partner, who is nearing the end of her PhD in education psychology. Her thesis is on critical thinking, critical theory, and motivation. She shrugged and said we’re probably right. I’d love to learn differently, too, but I’ve spent too much time around rural right wingers to get my hopes up. :/
(DIR) Post #AjWJICUuLd2ATshRZo by dan613@ottawa.place
2024-07-02T12:34:08Z
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@futurebird The answer always seems to boil down to childhood trauma.
(DIR) Post #AjWKPPUaX1PolUYHJo by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T12:46:40Z
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@futurebird same about advertising, i resisted long to install adblocks, buying into the necessary monetization of websites, but at some point, it became a necessity, it’s hard enough to keep a clear head on the internet, without people being ready to pay to get my attention, access my brain and put BS into it having the privilege to follow me everywhere.If you add to that the fact it’s a common attack vector for malware, it just became basic hygiene necessity.
(DIR) Post #AjWKb7BuOvqlTnObzs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:48:38Z
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@tshirtman I sometimes say "It's against my religion to view advertisements from people I do not know personally." And this is mostly a joke. Except, when I think about how important it is to me, and the positive impact it has had on my life... maybe it isn't a joke.
(DIR) Post #AjWKj23NO1lhrWBEMi by IzabelaKaramia@writing.exchange
2024-07-02T12:48:58Z
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@futurebird There is perhaps some basis to say that many of them who do like and share it, even while they realize the photos are fake and hollow, do so not only because they want to feel part of a group of like-minded, but it is necessity for them. They need to feel reassured that others share their beliefs, even if representations of those beliefs are lies, hollow, and fake.It is the belief and the sharing of belief that is paramount to its continuation in them.
(DIR) Post #AjWLCUGdZDLxlQQbY0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:55:16Z
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@tshirtman I struggled with some bad depression and an ED as a teen. And going "ad free"? after about three months with zero exposure to ads with the very narrow, and totally irrelevant (to me) ideas of "beauty" had a massive impact. Stabs of irrational disgust vanished. I don't like to admit to having a malleable mind, but I guess I do. When I encounter people who say these things don't impact them... I'm skeptical TBH. If you have such problems why not try going ad free and find out?
(DIR) Post #AjWLSpmvJy5P8uKC0m by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T12:58:26Z
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@tshirtman Even as I teen, I knew that "beauty standards" were kind of BS. I knew that companies try to pray on our insecurities to sell things and that they don't really care if they make you feel awful as long as you spend money. Even knowing all this stuff. Just looking at all that stuff has a way of making me feel freakish and deformed. The other side was seeking out content that celebrated a wider idea of what could be beautiful. This isn't just a "women't problem" anymore sadly.
(DIR) Post #AjWLk08K6xPk9OWJ5U by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T13:00:50Z
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@futurebird I like to say that everyone thinks they are immune to advertisement, but if that was true, it wouldn’t be one of the biggest industry in the world, and the more we think we are immune to it, the more likely we are to be vulnerable. Ego, once again, is the enemy.
(DIR) Post #AjWLmTUxu3R3nvI37Y by knowuh@mastodon.social
2024-07-02T13:01:24Z
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@futurebird one question is why do we *all* grind so hard for the likes? We are all attention serfs, driving revenue for the new media land owners. Which is why the fedi matters.I like thinking about this and think your framing is 💯 OTOH, it’s very probably the birthday of some double amputee vet, given how many vets we have. So, in some ways the photo isn’t fake.
(DIR) Post #AjWM7WuGQY52SIABEW by dan613@ottawa.place
2024-07-02T13:05:44Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman Yes, I can't walk into a pharmacy without being surrounded by young women deemed beautiful. That they are only images is irrelevant to my 10,000 year-old brain design. There are so many women who look like this, I should choose my partner from among them, right? Right?
(DIR) Post #AjWMleqkJVamfreVAe by dr2chase@ohai.social
2024-07-02T13:13:00Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman I think I was somewhere in my 30s when I developed my generalized theory of ad/porn, "designed to make you change your standards of what you need/need-to-be". PBS's "This Old House" qualified, in my opinion, never mind all the airbrushed women and truck ads and beer ads etc.
(DIR) Post #AjWOExCPGnzXw5Jijo by afeinman@wandering.shop
2024-07-02T13:29:30Z
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@futurebird ...the fantasy is that that guy actually got two cybernetic legs out of the VA's shoestring budget.
(DIR) Post #AjWOV9gEdKPXHKzica by itty53@beige.party
2024-07-02T13:32:14Z
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@futurebird The reason images like this are pushed out (straight up propaganda) is because they play on emotions that people WANT to feel, but don't want to vocalize. And the people behind them definitely don't want them vocalizing it, so these assuage their mental needs. They want folks to feel compassionate, not to BE compassionate.That's the trick. It's Trump's trick too. It is not about explanation, it isn't about words. It's about feelings. Photos and speeches and the like that play on emotions and feelings always fall apart when you pull any one thread, but are seemingly more rock solid than concrete. It's because folks want to feel a type of way, but don't want to put the effort in to BE a type of way. Clicking share solves that for them.If you have trouble explaining why these upset you, I can help. Just look at real images of real homeless veterans and spot the differences. For the sake of the experiment I'm leaving these without any alt text, but these are all actual photos of actual homeless veterans, and there are no young blonde girls sitting with them. The signs they display explain they are humiliated and in desperation. Moreover these are not young men with clean skin and baby faces. Their fatigues aren't new, if they're still around at all. I'm not on Facebook anymore, haven't been for over a decade, but if you are and you see that bullshit shared, please: just share real photos of homeless vets in response. Nothing else. Not arguments, not "this is what it really looks like", do not try to reason with them. Simply speak back to them in their language with photos like these.
(DIR) Post #AjWPgkVi8iFOe4AFDk by jmelesky@tinylad.social
2024-07-02T13:45:06.737570Z
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@knowuh @futurebird I still say it’s fake because the hypothetical birthday veteran had no say in how they were represented. Instead, AI showed a white dude with an unscarred face asking for money.Your hypothetical veteran, on the other hand, might not be a man, or white. Their face might have burn scars from the iud that took their legs. They might never wear a uniform, they might have mixed feelings about their service.They might find this image exploitative.If the OP had posted “Just a reminder that veterans too often don’t have the support they need once they’re discharged. Here are some links where you can donate or volunteer”, that would have shown some respect for vets. Instead, they conjured the most convenient vet-as-prop they could to try to push an emotional response on you. That’s not respect, and it has nothing to do with actual vets.
(DIR) Post #AjWQMM3vQZ0oz10U6a by ZacBelado@hachyderm.io
2024-07-02T13:52:11Z
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@tshirtman @futurebird I suspect that one's opinion of this subject depends on how old you are and how you encounter ads. I have no doubt about the ability of advertising to affect me but I see a significant difference between the types of ads that I see on TV and the type that I see online. (Side note: online advertising makes it possible for people to see dramatically different ads even for the same products and services)
(DIR) Post #AjWQftjGTmdQtuf6Aa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T13:56:49Z
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@ZacBelado @tshirtman Online ads can also exist in a blended way. If a youTuber I like suddenly starts talking about a soap subscription? Propaganda bots that post particular opinions to make them seem more typical?It's a more saturated & manipulative environment. Turns out the skin cream companies can even recognize that making me feel ugly isn't as effective as making me feel "almost perfect, if you just buy this" so they serve up brown-skinned models with smart urban lifestyles.
(DIR) Post #AjWQkfrJTYx1KahhoG by ZacBelado@hachyderm.io
2024-07-02T13:53:47Z
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@tshirtman @futurebird TV advertising seems to still fall into the mould of making one fear about not using a product or service. Online ads are based on an assumption that you want a service or product and ads are continually retargeted to people to drive a sale. https://www.ama.org/2021/01/26/advertising-effectiveness/
(DIR) Post #AjWQpW5tD0riUfpaBE by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T13:54:48Z
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@ZacBelado @futurebird I don’t know, i don’t own a car, and ostensibly don’t want one, despite being very much able to afford it, i don’t like and don’t want to drive, i don’t want to have to care for a car, i want nothing with it.And still, a car ad, despite how ridiculous and unrealistic i think it is, how uncorrelated to the actual driving experience it is, will make me think about getting one.Granted, i almost never see these these days, so when i see one, it has a large impact.
(DIR) Post #AjWQpXTK5NCildnoLQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T13:58:35Z
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@tshirtman @ZacBelado Anyone who says an ad for food they like with wonderful photos of it never made them feel a little hungry is LIEING. Ads have an impact on everyone. It's possible to minimize their attempts to control and manipulate us by reducing our exposure and analyzing how they work.
(DIR) Post #AjWR2D0nT1Ph4mV80O by Blinxeto@mastodon.social
2024-07-02T13:50:38Z
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@tshirtman @futurebird I’ve worked in advertising for a couple of years. It always struck me as a combination of show pony and money laundering.
(DIR) Post #AjWR2EX5oQqDnEcQz2 by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T13:52:16Z
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@Blinxeto @futurebird but the numbers work, right? Money invested on one side does translate to more sales and thus more money on the other hand, which the industry tries to extract as much of the value that the competition, or lackthereof allows them to.
(DIR) Post #AjWR2FSWMumKfLUIUq by Blinxeto@mastodon.social
2024-07-02T14:00:24Z
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@tshirtman @futurebird You know I never saw more money wasted in my life. 3 long overtime days to just film cucumbers flying through water, $350 for two coffees, that includes a “tip” and lots of write offs. It’s a miracle of everybody handing money over and a “good” accountant. Oh yeah and the afternoon drug deliveries. Who knows how the whole thing works, but there’s lots of money to be “made”. The Mafia should’ve gone into Marketing😆
(DIR) Post #AjWR5MM9BJMCvSzQrA by ZacBelado@hachyderm.io
2024-07-02T14:00:50Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman This is why I think it is important to talk about who is seeing an ad and where they see it. I also think that the efficacy of targetted ads is overblown by the companies serving the ads. They don't really offer any way for academics or third parties to verify the statistics and data.
(DIR) Post #AjWR7U0lgsgjFO0DrM by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T14:00:53Z
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@futurebird @ZacBelado yeah, but i mean, i like food 😆, i’m always ready for more than would be healthy , i’m already sold on it, so i’m less shocked that it work.The fact that it gets me on things i know i don’t want, is really what impresses me the most.
(DIR) Post #AjWRD8NZ22t1tRMMz2 by noodlejetski@masto.ai
2024-07-02T14:01:36Z
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@futurebird @dan613 > But why?to feed the mammoth! https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/06/taming-mammoth-let-peoples-opinions-run-life.html
(DIR) Post #AjWRFjradZZGjBe7dY by ZacBelado@hachyderm.io
2024-07-02T14:03:04Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman Depends on the ad. Fast food ads for great looking burgers just reminds me how the product they are showing is never what they actually serve :-)
(DIR) Post #AjWRyVbcUeFBXXWZ9M by ZacBelado@hachyderm.io
2024-07-02T14:05:29Z
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@tshirtman @futurebird That points to the failure of the ability of the ad systems to target people. I see ads online for things that I would never consider buying or using. I just happen to fit a demographic that "should" like those things. In your case you fit a profile that should be in the market for a car but this ad-tracking and targetting system fails to pick up factors that would indicate that you don't want a car
(DIR) Post #AjWRyWT9Hd3uDYZJaK by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T14:08:07Z
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@ZacBelado @futurebird yeah, i mean, when i see such an ad, it’s usually because i’m in front of a TV network, which is not a normal experience for me, so of course it doesn’t know that — or anything — about me, otherwise it would probably not show it. I’m amazed at how effective it is (at making me fantasize about driving that car, though not buying it) despite being totally of target.
(DIR) Post #AjWRyXSTbc7PHlGIAy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T14:11:21Z
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@tshirtman @ZacBelado Car ads don't work on me at all because I have no frame of reference since I don't drive. But I could see how they might if I did. But, it would be a bad thing if media had no impact on us, it would be hard to learn new things... that's why I don't feel bad about needing to be protective of my brain's diet of information. It's possible to reshape your mind based on the information and images you encounter. So, why not become... awesome?
(DIR) Post #AjWSEJBcR5kDegtdgG by trochee@dair-community.social
2024-07-02T14:13:09Z
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@dr2chase @futurebird @tshirtman Ads (and probably porn) are consent manufacture, see Chomsky's best work (IMO).And image generation has made it even easier to provoke lower brainstem feelings that smooth the conveyor belt in that manufacturing lineThe flood of those images lately feels like a siege on rational, local, community-oriented decision making
(DIR) Post #AjWSQjbo1YDD4t4QOu by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T14:15:46Z
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@futurebird @ZacBelado More awesomeness-inducing content sounds like a good thing!
(DIR) Post #AjWTr7frGvZdCN72X2 by RVLara23@mastodon.social
2024-07-02T14:32:11Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman @ZacBelado I drive and they have no affect on me. Cars are not like buying new underwear. I tend to do it once a decade or longer. Especially those horrid Christmas ads where someone gifts a brand new car. Get fucking real.
(DIR) Post #AjWUT9MDSiwbQI3eHw by Threadbane@newsie.social
2024-07-02T14:39:23Z
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@futurebird Those using Facebook still are lost souls anyhow, like those swallowed up by other cults.
(DIR) Post #AjWUiijeD64bUPRUHo by ZacBelado@hachyderm.io
2024-07-02T14:31:30Z
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@tshirtman @futurebird A personal example of the problems with ad influence.This weekend I bought a six-pack of alcoholic ice tea/lemonade drinks. Did I buy them because:1) I ordered a similar drink at dinner earlier in the week2) I saw an ad for the product on a baseball game3) The company paid for advantageous placement in a store4) The product was being stocked when I went into the store5) Some variation of all of the above
(DIR) Post #AjWUijvNmx3RB5wNDU by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T14:37:47Z
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@ZacBelado @futurebird well, easy enough, it’s always 5 😆. But what if the baseball game is an exciting memory for you, and you learned about the beverage through it, isn’t the likelyhood of picking it higher?I understand that the causation is *very hard* to establish, but considering how much money businesses are pouring into it, i have a hard time believing they don’t get a decent result from it.Though the market is not always right & all, my prior is pretty strong.
(DIR) Post #AjWUikhEv1KrZWKaoK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T14:42:01Z
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@tshirtman @ZacBelado Soft drink companies know that if they can get you hooked in the ages 17-24 they will have you for life, so they pay a lot to be on college campuses. Red Bull came to my campus and it was a really happy day for me since I'd passed my linear algebra exam, and being rather broke a sweet cold drink was a real treat. Red Bull makes me think of working on code all night and fun times, their little plan worked. Should I hate them forever and never drink it again?
(DIR) Post #AjWUqgY2E6JJ1RoBlo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T14:43:35Z
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@tshirtman @ZacBelado Just writing this is making me want a red bull. LMAO. But that's the problem, my memories are real. Companies are parts of those memories. This is true for everyone isn't it?
(DIR) Post #AjWV1owLMhk0EeULSK by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T14:45:38Z
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@futurebird @ZacBelado yeah, and i mean, companies provide goods, if you like the goods (and the experience you associate with it), and it doesn’t hurt you, or you are fine with the tradeoff, advertising is not inherently wrong imho, my point is more than we should be more aware about what we are getting into when we are the subject of such messaging.
(DIR) Post #AjWVC9tgInTy81Alnc by jfrench@cupoftea.social
2024-07-02T14:47:27Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman @ZacBelado would you remember it without the fun of the red bull promo?I'm sure they tried similar things in the UK, but the fashion was to have vodka with it. So any memories are confused or hungover.
(DIR) Post #AjWVMAgMEooPSWiOkS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T14:49:17Z
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@jfrench @tshirtman @ZacBelado I'd remember that day, and maybe I could have had a shot of espresso, or some other caffeine to the same end.
(DIR) Post #AjWVZsArqYg670WFfs by CivilityFan@sfba.social
2024-07-02T14:51:40Z
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@futurebird Your “malleable mind” is important to your survival, lets you evaluate new information and evolve. But as you point out, the assault on our open minds by all of these ads is subliminal and damaging, blocking them is the most healthy option@tshirtman
(DIR) Post #AjWWbbfeHFunScJ7gm by pseudonym@mastodon.online
2024-07-02T15:03:02Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman I recall the term "cognitive info hazards" from some years ago. Many of us came from an Internet time where the organizing thought was "censorship of any type = bad, and total freedom of information = good"But the extreme "freedom of speech" line breaks down at the edges. There is information that, by its very nature, is harmful to consider or consume. Info-hazzards.Of course, the trick is in determining who gets to label good stuff from bad stuff.There's the rub
(DIR) Post #AjWZBgePRHBXEt3mC0 by dan613@ottawa.place
2024-07-02T15:32:08Z
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@futurebird Oh, the other answer my spouse Laura-Lee reminded me of was that bots need to go viral to get clout for when they need to spread propaganda. It's harder to do on Mastodon without an algorithm, and nearly impossible from small instances. I had far more reach on a server with 8,000 accounts than on this one with ~80 accounts.
(DIR) Post #AjWbWBxIxSa41rnrxw by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2024-07-02T15:58:16Z
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@futurebird Images are indeed very powerful.When the british cops murdered Jean Charles de Menezes, they preferred to pretend that they lost the CCTV images (basically admitting their culpability by doing that) than let the public see what happened.Even though there were witnesses who could describe the cold-blood execution, it mattered less than the images.@tshirtman
(DIR) Post #AjWbtAth3hOzPK4bg0 by rye@ioc.exchange
2024-07-02T16:02:26Z
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@futurebird Oh man as a disabled vet, I just wish that the VA would get us care on time. And that our providers would work with things when our disabilities worsen, which they do because they’re disabilities. Those images are so frustrating and part of a much larger complex of ‘vet-washing’ non-profits that raise funds that do no work. I wish instead people would help ensure that our legislators keep passing laws that work in our favor so that we can get care, not wait nearly a year. But I know that eventually my ad’s will show some white muscle man doing ‘22’ push-ups to bring awareness, like dude…now that we’re aware and you got buff, let’s talk about systemic oppression. Oh sure, 4th of July come on down for your discounted burger and Thanks for your service.But that would be like looking a gift horse in the mouth and be uncomfortable for them so it’s just more of the same. I think that a lot of those images are supported by mis/dis info campaigns and influenced by people who want to have a ‘voice’.
(DIR) Post #AjWcZyTZ7JSjKqGDQ0 by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T16:10:10Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman I used to say "advertisements are against my religion" all the time. And it really upset some people. I even got told I "might get fired for saying that". (Except ... in both cases, the business went under not long afterwards.)
(DIR) Post #AjWcqYEtuuYGt3J1Hc by timcoffman@wandering.shop
2024-07-02T16:13:09Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman You may enjoy (or have already read) the fiction short story “Liking What You See: A Documentary" by Ted Chiang.I found it fascinating and horrifying, mostly because it depicts advertising practices that corporations would TOTALLY do today if they had the tech.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liking_What_You_See:_A_Documentary“… The novelette examines the cultural effects of a noninvasive medical procedure that induces a visual agnosia toward physical beauty….”
(DIR) Post #AjWeglATC5Phzqgxxw by jmjm@mstdn.social
2024-07-02T16:33:50Z
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@futurebird Pornographically fetishizing take wounded veterans while simultaneously promising to deport real veterans and their families. Between 5-8% of our armed forces are non-citizen immigrants.
(DIR) Post #AjWrsWHFgJUAh2nn6G by kechpaja@social.kechpaja.com
2024-07-02T19:01:39Z
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@futurebird @tshirtman @ZacBelado I'm not sure I've ever even _tasted_ Red Bull (although I've definitely seen numerous people drinking it). It was all over when I was in high school/college, but due to a combination of not being good at trying new foods when I already know what I like and having been warned off of energy drinks when I was a bit littler, I just never started.(And by now I've managed to imagine a hypothetical flavor for it and that hypothetical flavor isn't very good, so I have no incentive to ever touch it. Coke and Pepsi are very meh, so why would the soda-y beverage that looks and smells similar be any better?)
(DIR) Post #AjWs3myzuXDXgqdaC0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T19:03:42Z
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@kechpaja @tshirtman @ZacBelado It's not much like a cola at all. More like a less sweet version of mountain dew.
(DIR) Post #AjWsD5bY2qIs3D6VFY by tshirtman@mas.to
2024-07-02T19:05:21Z
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@futurebird @kechpaja @ZacBelado if it's like the couple over energy drink it tasted, it's… not really good, but i don't think people drink it for the taste, it's more for when you need coffee in your coffee. 😆
(DIR) Post #AjWsaCQQqrsJrhvMNE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-02T19:09:13Z
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@tshirtman @kechpaja @ZacBelado Most energy drinks are so sweet trying to cover up the bitterness of the caffeine they are awful. I could never finish drinking a "monster" even though I wanted to like it.Oddly Red Bull has a reputation for having a lot of caffeine, but it's not that different from a cup of coffee. First in the scene and things had not become crazy yet. And they have 8oz cans, which is a reasonable size for a drink. Why is everything like fivehundered eleventy billion oz?
(DIR) Post #AjZarWwSbpx6ibtoo4 by andrewfeeney@phpc.social
2024-07-04T02:35:06Z
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@futurebird My new hobby is going to be positing images that make no sense with"Why don't images like THIS ever trend?"
(DIR) Post #AjZbOjjC5llJviWnUO by andrewfeeney@phpc.social
2024-07-04T02:41:08Z
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@futurebird "These protests which inconvenience people are getting out of hand. People are trying to drive to work!"
(DIR) Post #AjZbX0ZLMRhMTirfrE by floatybirb@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T02:42:37Z
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@futurebird this genre of AI post is the sappy facebook equivalent of the "Made U Look" stickers people put on lamp posts, only about 100,000 times dumber and more annoying.
(DIR) Post #AjZfM8dFRUUc7HlO5o by jrconlin@soc.jrconlin.com
2024-07-04T03:22:30Z
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@andrewfeeney @futurebird FWIW, I posted this brave warrior with his prosthetic head and got very few likes, because photos like that just don't trend.