Post Aj1vDAexkeDMccwYZk by rrb@allthingstech.social
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(DIR) Post #Aj1SwZeskwgYVyCg1Q by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T15:26:19Z
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Agree or Disagree? There is an objective reality that is independent of individual perceptions or beliefs and is shaped by material conditions, economic relations, and social structures. Social phenomena and historical developments can be understood through objective analysis grounded in materialist principles, such as historical materialism and dialectical materialism.
(DIR) Post #Aj1VFfnUM99mxqSpBA by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T15:52:11Z
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@Sindy Well, do you disagree with either of the claims presented?
(DIR) Post #Aj1m9t3rpGaJaMx3wW by technokrat@rollenspiel.social
2024-06-17T16:01:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I would thus contend that the materialist perspective significantly contributes to our comprehension of society and its historical trajectory, yet it does not constitute the sole valid viewpoint. It is often advantageous to synthesize various approaches to attain a more comprehensive understanding.
(DIR) Post #Aj1n8jluyj4sRIZVI0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T16:09:41Z
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@technokrat Incorporating different perspectives is important, but it's especially important to maintain a materialist foundation to avoid superficial or idealistic interpretations of reality.
(DIR) Post #Aj1rex41UhICkNelzE by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:03:15Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Now. How well can two separate people agree on the make up of that objective reality?
(DIR) Post #Aj1sYDHys47uzmXIOG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T20:13:16Z
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@rrb Two or more people can determine the existence of an objective reality by comparing their individual experiences to deduce the common denominator amongst them in order to differentiate between what is objectively real and what is merely subjective interpretation.
(DIR) Post #Aj1svoVMfZ7b4x38ro by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:17:31Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Unbiased by cultural conditioning and alignment of subjective wishful thinking?Do you really think so?So when Jef Bezos and Elon Musk honestly discuss a social problem, they will converge on objective reality?Interesting.
(DIR) Post #Aj1tWpIyenrUH7u9gW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T20:24:12Z
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@rrb The more people that provide their individual perspectives of reality, the more accurate the conclusion of what is objectively real will be.
(DIR) Post #Aj1tuK4UR0zsM7Kesy by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:28:27Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I would trust the common belief of 1.4 billion Chinese (or 1.39 billion baptized Catholics) less than the common understanding of 1000 people each from a different culture.The perceived reality of people from different countries, income levels, level of education, religions, etc. vary greatly.
(DIR) Post #Aj1u0fkakHBjKV3KZU by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:29:36Z
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@Radical_EgoCom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Is_What_You_Can_Get_Away_With
(DIR) Post #Aj1uR8Q6m6rBmB5dyK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T20:34:23Z
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@rrb I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. To determine what is objectively real doesn't just require that we listen to a bunch of people's perspectives and take their word for it. It requires that we compare multiple people's perspectives to what we actually know to be true, differentiate between what contorts to reality and what doesn't, and from this analysis deduce what is objectively real.
(DIR) Post #Aj1vDAexkeDMccwYZk by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:43:04Z
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@Radical_EgoCom And I am saying that 1.4 billion Chinese (more or less) will agree that the Tien An Men incident never happened.1.39 Billion Catholics will think transubstantiation is a fact.I think you are discounting cultural conditioning too much.At least 200 million USA residents believe no matter what that market forces determine reality and it is impossible to do anything that counters the "free" market.
(DIR) Post #Aj1w58yUETxz27oOY4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T20:52:49Z
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@rrb I feel like you completely ignored the part where you compare a person's subjective interpretation of reality with the facts of reality to see if their interpretation is true. You don't just blindly accept what a person says about reality; that's the opposite of what I'm talking about.
(DIR) Post #Aj1wHuMFt7yfSu12um by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:55:06Z
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@Radical_EgoCom For me, OK. But, again, if you get two bishops (or Bezos/Musk) comparing their views, I will not find their interpretation of objective reality very convincing.We all come with baggage. You are not going to realize your bad assumptions.
(DIR) Post #Aj1wTQ5GGwd92xYYYS by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-06-17T20:57:10Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Who is providing the ground truth for the comparison?I think I would be great for that. You may not care for me being the arbiter. Have you read any Sartre?
(DIR) Post #Aj1x9Zl6gvhZDQEN3Q by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T21:04:50Z
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@rrb I don't know how to make this any more simple to understand. Determining objective reality involves using empirical investigation, critical thinking, consensus among observers, and rigorous methodologies, all while continuously questioning and refining our understanding.
(DIR) Post #Aj22pMp9fjed24s4zQ by peterbutler@mas.to
2024-06-17T22:08:23Z
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@Radical_EgoCom https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/
(DIR) Post #Aj281EshWpzre00h6W by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T23:06:33Z
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@noiselover And how do you plan on having a successful working class movement with no experts to guide the masses.
(DIR) Post #Aj299q3LJEFJCVeUs4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T23:19:20Z
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@noiselover What benefits could come from decentralized approaches compared to centralized political strategies?
(DIR) Post #Aj2BzXSTt7mgUuBssi by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T23:51:05Z
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@noiselover If you can't even articulate an answer to a simple question regarding your position without shifting the burden of proof onto me, then it suggests a lack of understanding or confidence in your own stance.
(DIR) Post #Aj2K6vgR19NjI4kifI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-18T01:22:04Z
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@noiselover You support a different approach, yet you're either unwilling or unable to explain its legitimacy? Why even tell me what you believe if you never intended to prove the validity of your beliefs?
(DIR) Post #Aj35ctFk4XQGu0RMpc by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-18T10:14:29Z
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@peterbutler Quantum mechanics operates at the microscopic level and introduces phenomena such as superposition and entanglement. These quantum phenomena don't necessarily invalidate the existence of objective reality at macroscopic scales, where classical mechanics and deterministic principles largely hold true.
(DIR) Post #Aj3BIUQRGnYzpo6DSq by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-18T11:18:01Z
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@ClintonAnderson We may not be able to priecive reality perfectly, but that doesn't mean that objective reality doesn't exist or that we have no way of experiencing it. We can determine objective reality from consensus among observers and independent verification of facts.
(DIR) Post #Aj3RnCD2e4lra9Uqoq by 61ennepi@mastodon.social
2024-06-18T14:22:51Z
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@Radical_EgoCom "There is an objective reality that is independent of individual perceptions"In my opinion our perceptions are the mediated-by-our-mother-tongue understanding of objective reality, to which we have otherwise no direct access (we can only know through models). About all the rest I do not know. I voted "yes" but my vote is limited to the first part of the statement.
(DIR) Post #Aj3oMRPiJ11PrfdRPE by PJPaints@warhammer.social
2024-06-18T18:35:42Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I quite like critical realism as a framework for thinking about this sort of question. So there is an external reality but it's always viewed by us through a lense of culture, experience, etc. Always felt like a sensible middle ground between positivism and social constructionism