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(DIR) Post #AivF4c53vhf5iNuc64 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:22:39Z
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Answer this question: Do you think that fascists, reactionaries, and capitalists should have the same levels of freedom of speech, freedom of political association, and right to run for candidacy as everyone else?
(DIR) Post #AivFSZvtZDHg0H3H7I by Bit_form@corteximplant.com
2024-06-14T15:26:58Z
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@Radical_EgoCom it's sort of a flawed question on the basis that it posits that the way things work are "good" but candidates are "bad" and that's not really true.
(DIR) Post #AivFiDfS7GULaAoq9o by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:29:48Z
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@Bit_form The question assumes no such thing.
(DIR) Post #AivG26Mcyr3ciqUiUy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:33:24Z
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@bytebro So, if a fascist who wants to exterminate X race of people and take away women's rights, and will act upon their desires the moment they have state power, doesn't lie, cheat, extol violence, or steal to get elected then you think it'll be fine for them to run for candidacy?
(DIR) Post #AivHH7DWBtzZfLxMjg by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:47:19Z
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@bytebro If people who openly want to destroy democracy and people's human rights are allowed to run for office, it will inevitably lead to democracy and those human rights being eradicated. Example: After the failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923, Hitler and the Nazi Party were banned. However, the ban was not permanent, and in 1925, they were allowed to participate in elections, and we all know what happened after they were allowed to run for office again. They should have stayed banned.
(DIR) Post #AivKs0LT0EMGvkxLBQ by donato27@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T16:27:35Z
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@Radical_EgoCom las libertades no deben restringirse, es una sólida educación e información con la que se logra el equilibrio, fortalecer los medios públicos es fundamental
(DIR) Post #AivLJv8twJpwu3OFQ8 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T16:32:39Z
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@donato27 Bad people should have their freedom to hurt people taken away.
(DIR) Post #AivPp0wSpLcdgQeeQq by noisenerd@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T17:21:43Z
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@bytebro Don't make me tap the sign. @Radical_EgoCom
(DIR) Post #AivpSHCgnXmOGY3vfc by greener77176@travelpandas.fr
2024-06-14T22:10:14Z
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@Radical_EgoCom please don't speake about race but species...Races are invented by capitalism to put some people in slave mode.I préfère species vs races to name my brothers or sisters with 99,9% of same genetics fundation.French people are totaly equal than migrants from countries in Africa but they aven't same chance to survive because of theyr corrupted political system.Far rights don't want to have poor migrants but don't prefer to bring trash themself. @bytebro
(DIR) Post #AivsbdCofEcSyNH3R2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T22:45:36Z
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@the_Effekt How come you make exceptions for criminal violence and rape and not for the ethnic genocide, stripping of human rights of certain individuals, etc that fascists advocate for or the wage slavery, ecological degradation, poverty, starvation, etc that capitalist advocate for?
(DIR) Post #Aivtgb2mEHdPfaVfEG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T22:57:42Z
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@the_Effekt That's a false equivalency. Fascists and capitalists are advocating for something that is objectively harmful to life; anarchists, like yourself, are not. Words and thoughts inspire actions, and of it's a known fact, which it is, that certain words inspire actions that will cause harm, then it would be the moral imperative of anyone who seeks to minimize harm to ban those words.
(DIR) Post #AivvHJx4q74BKRv2eW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T23:15:33Z
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@the_Effekt 1/2 If people did what you're suggesting, they would literally be giving fascists and capitalists a chance to be successful. They're trying to directly and indirectly kill people and destroy the planet; they should be given a chance to do that. I assume you wouldn't use this argument if it were anything else.
(DIR) Post #AivvI6ERKrTZ4CPaNc by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T23:15:42Z
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@the_Effekt 2/2 If it were a group of people advocating for being allowed to kill children and SA women you'd be against giving them a platform, but when it comes to capitalism and fascism, which are worse, you're fine with them being allowed to promote their destructive and harmful beliefs?
(DIR) Post #AivvvCt0WqDyzy2D9E by Fury@mastodon.au
2024-06-14T23:22:45Z
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@Radical_EgoCom If these people can’t play democracy then they shouldn’t be allowed a seat at the table. Democracy = For the people.
(DIR) Post #AivwtzvpJ8xAU9LBJI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T23:33:45Z
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@the_Effekt I understand that is they're doing it in secret then there's not much that can be done about it, but if it's know that fascists and capitalists are spreading their beliefs on an online forum or an underground club for example, then there is something that can be done about it by criminalizing it.
(DIR) Post #AivyaUwuTYWonig20e by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T23:52:38Z
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@the_Effekt All company owners aren't going to agree on the same rules and regulations for their platforms. Some of these owners may even be sympathetic to fascism and capitalism, or may be the kind of person who wants anyone to speak, no matter how harmful their words are. There would need to be a law that forces all media outlets to adhere to the same rules and regulations to prevent the spread of fascism and capitalism.
(DIR) Post #Aiw0dPX7GiWAmS82nQ by fiend_unpleasant@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T00:15:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom yes, but free speech does not mean you are free from getting you ass kicked for your shitty abusive ideology.
(DIR) Post #Aiw10TvL6tZj3gSa5Q by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T00:19:45Z
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@fiend_unpleasant Why even give fascists and capitalists freedom to promote their toxic ideologies when we know for a fact that they'll lead to disaster for the many?
(DIR) Post #Aiw1xiAXn3ZkKBoZaS by fiend_unpleasant@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T00:30:27Z
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@Radical_EgoCom to paraphrase MLK I want them to say crazy stuff so I know who my enemy is.
(DIR) Post #Aiw2ehKGnhqsA5rTF2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T00:38:10Z
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@fiend_unpleasant That "crazy stuff " that they say literally gets people killed. We can know who our enemies are from what they say without letting them continue to say it.
(DIR) Post #Aiw33wRpiMnUIkR6o4 by fiend_unpleasant@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T00:42:47Z
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@Radical_EgoCom banning speech is a very slippery slope and as napoleon said “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”
(DIR) Post #Aiw3ZS8Dxu91XmI2We by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T00:48:29Z
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@fiend_unpleasant Banning dangerous speech being a potential slippery slope doesn't change the fact that allowing speech that promotes dangerous behavior will inevitably result in that behavior becoming a reality, nor does it negate the necessity of preventing that speech from propagating.
(DIR) Post #AiwCaWYxsH5XAFNpUu by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T02:29:28Z
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@marnanel Even if they aren't allowed to enact any of their beliefs, if they're allowed to promote their beliefs freely, they'll be able to gain more and more support for their beliefs until they have enough support to enforce their beliefs either legislatively by changing the laws or by force.
(DIR) Post #AiwFcqES12M0bnaJYe by bignose@sw-development-is.social
2024-06-15T03:03:31Z
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Yes @Radical_EgoCom And "same level" entails no disparity of access due to wealth.If a billion dollars gets more of those things than a million dollars, that's not equal. Same for a million versus one thousand.
(DIR) Post #AiwFmQEfWbTMsUFsMi by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T03:05:17Z
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@bignose Why would you want people with harmful beliefs to be allowed to promote them freely?
(DIR) Post #AiwG865x5V56meVtNA by bignose@sw-development-is.social
2024-06-15T03:09:11Z
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If we could all simply agree those ideas are harmful and mine are not? I'd be a lot more sanguine about dictating terms to others.Until then, I want no one to have the power to exclude *me* from free expression or democratic participation because they claim *my* ideas are harmful.@Radical_EgoCom
(DIR) Post #AiwXkTu0ieK0qVoglM by duckwhistle@mastodon.org.uk
2024-06-15T06:26:35Z
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@Radical_EgoCom That's 3 questions in one and I have different answers to them.
(DIR) Post #Aiwi8pl86goD7ouhN2 by stagerabbit@famichiki.jp
2024-06-15T08:23:03Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I think the key is to design a society where power is distributed and organized in such a way that these people cannot do any damage (i.e. in a decentralized state with low state control , low inequality, and good education). Also, capitalists can't do much harm if they don't have capital or can't use it. Then it doesn't matter if they want to have their cute little political party. "Make us rich again." Who the hell will vote for them?
(DIR) Post #AiwrRzkM64PrBrlMEC by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T10:07:21Z
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@stagerabbit I think you're severely underestimating the power of words and propaganda. There will always be some kind of suffering that fascists and former capitalists/capitalism supports will be able to use to give false credence to their twisted ideologies. Preventing their ideologies from being spread is the best way to prevent that from happening.
(DIR) Post #AiwraaJW1ce6uyIwtM by EredYasibu@mastodon.ml
2024-06-15T09:45:21Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Only to those who commit violent acts or support and call for violent acts.
(DIR) Post #AiwrabPvvFNELAJaXA by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T10:08:55Z
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@EredYasibu That's not very smart because then all of the fascists and capitalists will just stop committing violence and advocating for it openly until they have enough support to do so.
(DIR) Post #Aix7CXlXRgjhKdyDxo by prabirkc@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T13:03:51Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Provided the speech is within the limits of being fair to everyone else
(DIR) Post #AixDk3bagfiPMUgI2i by EredYasibu@mastodon.ml
2024-06-15T14:17:08Z
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@Radical_EgoCom if the revolution gives real freedom and equality and real power over their affairs to the people, then I think the various counter-revolutionaries will not be able to achieve significant support.
(DIR) Post #AixEC1YhtDil7gfTHs by strigga_@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T14:22:12Z
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@Radical_EgoCom randomly labelling people and removing their rights has happened before. Lets not try this again
(DIR) Post #AixF2teO1VzhwYXIEy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T14:31:46Z
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@EredYasibu These are all just assumptions you're spouting. You think counter-revolutionaries won't find support, but there's no guarantee that they won't. There's no logical reason to give counter-revolutionaries a chance at gaining support by letting them spread their propaganda and create their armies.
(DIR) Post #AixK1mTDjVFf9jbIA4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:27:35Z
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@djuuss There's no reason to allow capitalists and fascists to participate in the "marketplace of ideas" and give them a chance to gain any support for the twisted causes.
(DIR) Post #AixdiC3atIALnrYFI8 by kateyagi@denden.world
2024-06-15T19:08:07Z
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@Radical_EgoCom In regards to freedom of speech specifically, I like how this video puts it: to give one party the freedom to kill another is necessarily a restriction on that party's freedom to live, and giving that party the right to live is necessarily a restriction on the other's right to kill them. A lot of rights work in this manner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPHrhbFCU3Y
(DIR) Post #Aixo1uunKhBhyJTlgG by facsimile_willows@veganism.social
2024-06-15T21:00:10Z
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@bytebro @Radical_EgoCom Lets say that you allow a fascist to run for candidacy on this basis of "that's how a democracy should work". When the fascists get elected--and they will--would you just accept it because they were democratically voted in? Are we just going to let them exact extreme amounts of harm on marginalized communities because "that's what the democracy decided"? Of course not! Any decent person is going to fight against those fascists anyway, even though they were democratically voted in, and even if the majority agree with their policies--"democracy" be damned.
(DIR) Post #AiyEdwZkCmPKvyQTwm by Rob300@mastodon.social
2024-06-16T02:01:57Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I do think they should be able to speak, how I would approach them regarding speech would be a let them speechb but if they are out in public, make it so they can't say speech that upsets the public. Which could more specifically include public speech advocating for capitalism, fascism and reactionaries.
(DIR) Post #AiyGpLkf8oIs6t6Ez2 by Rob300@mastodon.social
2024-06-16T02:26:26Z
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@Radical_EgoCom as for running for candidacy, i'd say absolutely not. That's giving them too much influence.
(DIR) Post #Aizqmj8JA6CWyWpDiy by aeleoglyphic@mastodon.social
2024-06-16T20:44:03Z
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@Radical_EgoCom "freedom of speech" meams nothing to me so sure, surpress them.