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(DIR) Post #AiR7lgd71T7Si5f184 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T02:39:15Z
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I don't see how someone could serve as president from jail but it might be kinda cool to see. #Trump
(DIR) Post #AiR9PTZR6143kFTh5M by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T02:57:38Z
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@wjmaggos I think most realize in their hearts he’s easily the better choice.
(DIR) Post #AiR9U37EsjG192TBZ2 by PeterKReilly@mstdn.party
2024-05-31T02:58:21Z
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@wjmaggos no
(DIR) Post #AiR9rMgeHbAwVJ9MsC by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T03:02:40Z
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@nam do you think 2020 was stolen? cause if not, I don't get how you could say this. everything else I get somebody supporting either candidate.
(DIR) Post #AiRA13tB1nIh6CdMLA by spacemanspiff@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T03:04:23Z
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@wjmaggos @nam 2020 was absolutely stolen. and they'll do whatever it takes to steal 2024 as well. the groundwork is nearly all laid, and it's only May.
(DIR) Post #AiRAMzQ8K29lbxVMsy by vic@seal.cafe
2024-05-31T03:08:37.479845Z
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@spacemanspiff @wjmaggos @nam Nearly? The whole thing is rigged five different ways. Anyone who saw what happened in 2020 and still thinks this nation has real "elections" is delusional.
(DIR) Post #AiRAeVadyBqWJ2m62i by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T03:11:29Z
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@wjmaggos I think your views are that of a typical liberal, a black and white worldview. People of this belief system typically excel at prematurely putting people into boxes. After 4 years of Biden’s leadership, is it unfathomable to believe that people might have changed their minds about him?
(DIR) Post #AiRBirUWaDPzLPYIfg by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T03:23:25Z
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@nam uh huh. people can see my posts here for years to decide if I'm a "typical liberal". please answer the question.
(DIR) Post #AiRBobu1SFLKjaDgq8 by ryan@bxe.io
2024-05-31T03:24:41.928453Z
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@wjmaggos @nam I know a lot of people who don't like Trump and/or didn't vote for him in 2020 but still think the election was stolen. That seems to be the "mainstream" view, to the extent that there is one, no?Trump negotiated with the Taliban and then leveraged all the power of the executive branch to ensure someone else would be holding the bag when that one went down.Only a complete fool would have wanted to be President right now. Even Biden has spent the past 4 years looking like he's there as some sort of punishment
(DIR) Post #AiRBv1STLtn3jOOJ9c by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T03:25:44Z
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@ryan @nam
(DIR) Post #AiRBysJXI9eSWt32uG by Sirpantangelini@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T03:26:27Z
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@wjmaggos You don't get anything. at all. cause you are a fucking moron
(DIR) Post #AiRC08uR4pVwHuucFc by doonxib@poa.st
2024-05-31T03:26:54.457135Z
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@ryan @wjmaggos @nam You'd have to be an absolute retarded asshole to want to be the president of the US. Water boys for a varsity High School team have more dignity. Imagine your entire job is simping for Nigger and Jew criminals while you blame hard working citizens and beg for money from people at the same time.
(DIR) Post #AiRCCfSzr4FGjp3ArA by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T03:28:43Z
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@wjmaggos my opinion on 2020 is irrelevant when considering 2024. This is not some clever trap. I believe the election was as fair as the vaccines were safe and effective.
(DIR) Post #AiRCE7qVpKX32okE0O by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T03:29:18Z
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@ryan @nam it is not. belief in God is tho so what do I know.
(DIR) Post #AiRCKYLSDVlcy2HYUS by ryan@bxe.io
2024-05-31T03:30:28.997543Z
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@doonxib @wjmaggos @nam I love Donald Trump the way I love Bugs Bunny and Scooby Doo. No more and no less. That being said, if I were the type to hate him, and truly loathed him with all my being, I would pray to God every day to make him The President of the United States
(DIR) Post #AiRCdV1ulbImBhB2fI by zerosum@poa.st
2024-05-31T03:34:01.632217Z
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@doonxib @ryan @wjmaggos @nam my goto would be press conferences where i answered every question with some version of. “nah, get fucked” or “haha yah, die mad faggot” and i would fite motherfuckers in the press corps to assert my dominance daily.
(DIR) Post #AiRCsCdJRpW7TUgGw4 by ryan@bxe.io
2024-05-31T03:36:33.487846Z
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@zerosum @wjmaggos @nam @doonxib I would turn the press conference room back into an indoor pool like it was during the Kennedy days and then purchase some mid female celebrity with a large fan base to live in it and get addicted to cocaine
(DIR) Post #AiREBELdOcY6FX35t2 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T03:50:53Z
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@nam so why not say it?cause it's fundamentally different than the vaccines. there's evidence the vaccines hurt people and weren't as effective as claimed. you don't have that for the election. GOP reps elected with the same ballots they claim were rigged against Trump, didn't hesitate to take their seats. it's crap you guys say to stay in the club. you don't believe it. like Dems saying trans women are real women. nobody revolted. one woman got shot and y'all pussied out.
(DIR) Post #AiRFrG8BG0GRtcMQOu by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T04:09:44Z
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@wjmaggos I know what the government told the media to report. Same as you. I did not count the votes, I do not know the people who did. And there it is again “You guys” “Y’all”, it’s clear to me that you believe there is a singular other box different from your own. I assure you the world is more complex than your world view allows you to believe.
(DIR) Post #AiRH8RVeIysY3y5z1M by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T04:24:12Z
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@nam right. we should never refer to any people as agreeing on anything unless we talk to them all (you violated this rule above in referring to liberals) and we should never accept anything as true unless we confirm it ourselves (did Trump?). good luck sticking with this during your next show. hopefully @Dhowjen calls you on it every time. you always resort to this complaint in these conversations when you have nothing substantial left.please answer my question about the 2020 election.
(DIR) Post #AiRKBqn34JHXCVYByi by gentoobro@gleasonator.com
2024-05-31T04:58:39.035592Z
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@doonxib @ryan @wjmaggos @nam I'd take the $400k/yr then do literally nothing. Sign no bills, give no orders. Just ghost the job. Congress could then have fun impeaching me, if they had the votes.
(DIR) Post #AiRKHUy96y7fGHQzrs by doonxib@poa.st
2024-05-31T04:59:41.466302Z
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@gentoobro @ryan @wjmaggos @nam The first president in history to get in just for the paycheck. Now, that would be something to see.
(DIR) Post #AiRL5LGPTCkvdjkDKq by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T05:08:23Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen I’m not comfortable with the source of evidence, you are, agree to disagree. I resort to it because that’s what you do every time. You don’t converse with people, you say “You people believe this” then punch the straw man you’ve created. I get it, you like arguing & being a contrarian. I used to enjoy it until people I considered friends started calling me a nazi, racist, etc. It was fun, then they started to believe they were seizing the moral high ground.
(DIR) Post #AiRxrKF8Mdr2dISGky by ill_logic@mastodon.social
2024-05-31T12:22:48Z
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@wjmaggos He gives his press conference in handcuffs and his orange jump suit. "We're doing great things." "Shut your mouth, next question..." Then they escort him back to his cell and slam the door behind him.
(DIR) Post #AiS4uNYtBJDhTP6A3U by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T05:11:42Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen why is it ridiculous to believe people who voted for Biden in 2020, would not vote for him in 2024?
(DIR) Post #AiS4uOYvSeqMZo7hke by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T13:41:50Z
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@nam @Dhowjen it's not. I don't understand why you think I believe this. I am not just being contrarian. see all my past positions. I try to think through everything and be honest about my views and where I think others are going wrong. people shouldn't call others Nazis etc for disagreeing with them. I'm sorry. I say that here. but I also say don't call people sheep etc. I think I'm trying to get people to put the glasses on, but there's lots of different ideologies.https://youtu.be/TVwKjGbz60k?si=M32OV2XKLneQjgzf
(DIR) Post #AiS5jCGOwnhVCXgOCu by Sirpantangelini@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T13:51:03Z
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@wjmaggos @nam @Dhowjen 🤣 🤣 🤣 Maggos tries to think.Holy shit, thats hilarious
(DIR) Post #AiS5ou75LIaaeA2wpk by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T13:52:03Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen Well, thank you. Now that I’ve put on these glasses that you’ve been wearing for years, Do you believe Biden is the better option? If so, why?
(DIR) Post #AiS6wU7xwOb4K9dZ8i by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T14:04:42Z
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@nam @Dhowjen the argument is not that I know what's right and others do not. but I think I do just as everybody else does too. if we all discuss this stuff with an open mind, we will get closer. it's the blind men with the elephant parable. you seem to want to shut me up. I do not want to shut you up.as I said, outside of Trump's claims about 2020, supporting Biden or Trump in 2024 is reasonable imo. but there's an irrationality in his claims and people believing him that's dangerous.
(DIR) Post #AiS7KCnc1DMHX0Qa8m by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T14:08:56Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen Please answer the question.
(DIR) Post #AiS7jsKElJndYuvbNY by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T14:13:38Z
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@nam @Dhowjen nobody counts all the votes. nobody knows who wins any election. this is basically how we all know about the world. lots of different people providing info. some of them lie but hopefully with multiple sources, enough don't.the conspiracy mindset is that enough of these processes can be rigged. the grifter mindset is that one can claim it's rigged and people will believe those claims and begin to think the grifter is the most reliable source. then what can the grifter do?
(DIR) Post #AiS834EMisBDzJKiRM by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T14:17:04Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen What are uour general impressions on the Vietnam war?
(DIR) Post #AiSAABx6c14rs5mjGS by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T14:40:45Z
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Now, with my glasses still on, which of these mind sets would you suggest I have? Also, please answer the question.
(DIR) Post #AiSFjn5p12b8y1ekAC by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-05-31T15:43:27.161687Z
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@wjmaggos @nam @Dhowjen the problem is that most of humanity is insane
(DIR) Post #AiSJKRQKqN6OL3Q2c4 by ryan@bemrose.social
2024-05-31T16:13:04.236943Z
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@wjmaggos @nam @Dhowjen This argument represents real progress. Congratulations.It took four years, but the left is finally moving past Denial of election fraud, and have moved on into the Bargaining stage.
(DIR) Post #AiSJKSbiRXne0dkdzU by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T16:23:28Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam so you counted all the votes?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology
(DIR) Post #AiSJn01lmUkVliXvhQ by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T16:28:36Z
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@wjmaggos @ryan @Dhowjen Please answer the question, William.
(DIR) Post #AiSKntPfxVabUwiZmK by ryan@bemrose.social
2024-05-31T16:25:15.029486Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen @nam It represents tremendous progress that a Biden-supporter is even willing to talk about the vote count, rather than just stuff their hands in their ears and scream "NO EVIDENCE, NO EVIDENCE"
(DIR) Post #AiSKnuSC5dCKj2u6LI by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T16:39:59Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam they are treating you like religious door knockers. the guy who lost an election is claiming he actually won and somehow got people to go along with him, kinda. not with good arguments. not enough to do anything to fight back. not enough for elected GOP reps who won based on those same ballots to refuse to take their seats. it's a creed to hold the MAGA community together, not a factual belief. they are tired of the evangelical shit. I'm trying to reason you out of it.
(DIR) Post #AiSNYUKPF32hDWbDWK by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T17:10:49Z
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@nam again, outside of Trump's reality distortion cult and divisiveness...they both suck from the left. Israel/Ukraine require international relations neither is up for. the economy for most people has not been hurt or helped substantially by either president imo. mostly a result of the pandemic. they should shift tax burden to wealthiest and provide universal health care. both suck in different ways on immigration. must be a longterm fix. Biden better on SCOTUS, climate and corp reg.
(DIR) Post #AiSOp9s2egmAe8qRXs by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-05-31T17:25:15.995522Z
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@ryan @wjmaggos @Dhowjen @namcommunist_ethics.jpg
(DIR) Post #AiSQhkn1ht6qjz60rg by ryan@bemrose.social
2024-05-31T17:15:39.324043Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen @nam Nevermind my previous posts. We're back to denial.You seem to be making the extremely common leftist assumption that the only reason to follow Trump is because he's a cult of personality, and that people agree with him only because he said it. I'm not sure if that's projection from people who do that, or merely a genuine disbelief that anybody you disagree with could have any critical thinking skills of their own.I personally don't "follow" Trump anywhere. I don't have a twitter or truth.social account. I don't follow the news, or pay attention to the rallies. If Trump says something noteworthy, I usually find out from memes or second-hand clips on podcasts. If there's a MAGA "community", I'm not part of it.But what I do have is the ability to look with my own eyes, and question what authority figures are telling me. I watched as the Pennsylvania and Georgia Secretaries of State made last-minute changes to election rules that opened significant vulnerabilities to fraud. That day in November 2020, I was up late (on the left coast), so I was awake to see the reports of election workers putting up paper to keep observers out. Of too many coincidences, like a "water leak" that forced all other observers out of a different place. Of the completely unprecedented and improper move of "halting" vote counting in the middle of the night - a decision made simultaneously in six different states who are all supposed to be operating independently. Of the famous graph with red and blue lines, demonstrating the STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY of hundreds of thousands of votes coming in for one candidate, in multiple states (and in some cases, being *subtracted* from the other), all within the same hour of the morning.Before I even went to bed that night, it was obvious that not everything was above board. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Donald Trump. It was obvious to millions of people who were paying attention, and not blinded by their ideology. The only people to whom it was not obvious were the willfully oblivious.When we woke up on November 4, those of us who were honest and rational did not know enough to be sure that Trump won. But we did know that there were far too many irregularities to conclude that Biden did. Irregularities that, if the election had been above board, needed to be analyzed and investigated, to find out if and where any fraud occurred before deciding on a winner.But that's not what happened. Instead, leftist media told us to shut up, to ignore our own eyes. Leftist talking heads declared that Biden was the unconditional winner. Leftist social media warriors shouted down anybody who asked any questions about what happened. Trump noticed this too. And then, on January 6, whether through coercion, plot, or conspiracy, Congress certified what was clearly a questionable election, without so much as one investigation being started.Some people investigated anyway, and evidence began mounting later of mules stuffing ballot boxes. Of boxes of pre-printed ballots trucked into counting centers. Of election workers specifically told to kick out Republican observers (and signing legal affidavits to that effect)If you can ignore all of that, and still tell me that Biden won fairly, that the election doesn't need any investigation, and that every single person who thinks otherwise only does so because Trump told us to...Then get the fuck out of here with your "reason" bullshit. You're the one letting your ideology blind you.
(DIR) Post #AiSQhljWCPthfOSj2G by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T17:46:05Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam look into every claim. I oppose anybody saying don't do that. but how much money and time should one spend on it? I spent a lot of time on that. it got everybody a lot of pageviews and donations along the way. the fucking kraken. servers and special agents in Germany. I'm sure you recall even John telling Adam to stop talking about the craziest claims.Trump created a narrative and people who hated Dems/media found ways to corroborate it and dismiss that which didn't.
(DIR) Post #AiSRCjyolexxCqO3Rg by spacemanspiff@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T17:51:28Z
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@wjmaggos @ryan @Dhowjen @nam for fuck's sake, A THIRD OF THE FUCKING BALLOTS WERE UNAUTHENTICATED GARBAGE. and that's after the deep state had their thumb on the scale for the entire term. your vile "team" literally killed people in hospitals to get what they wanted.
(DIR) Post #AiSRHGg58jwbm6mYkq by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-05-31T17:52:45.113579Z
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@ryan @wjmaggos @Dhowjen @nam The reason to follow Trump:1. He's a moderate who is peeling back the Leftist insanity of the past 30 years.2. Most of what he does is speech, identifying issues and clarifying them.Otherwise we go straight into the abyss with the diversity vote leading to third-world style tyranny.
(DIR) Post #AiSRVoUwC4yyikVOc4 by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T17:52:56Z
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@spacemanspiff @wjmaggos @ryan @Dhowjen I know maggos is pushing for it with his collectivist glasses, but we’re not playing teams.
(DIR) Post #AiSRVpTYYhTJkkro6C by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T17:55:00Z
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@nam @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen sure. your podcast does nothing of the sort.
(DIR) Post #AiSRa01rGQD1dqtqNs by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T17:55:45Z
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@wjmaggos @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen I agree, thank you.
(DIR) Post #AiSSE3viBDF3K780fY by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T18:03:09Z
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@spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen @nam I completely agree that the media was unfair to Trump. that served their bottom line to play him up as the devil. ask when real leftists get time to air their views. people who can debunk their pro war narratives. or Chomsky criticizing their entire business/propaganda model. Trump is their strawman. he makes them look smarter. remember Colmes? same dynamic.
(DIR) Post #AiSSrXFr5IJrZCN9IO by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T18:10:17Z
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@wjmaggos @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen The problem is you keep separating your views from the left as being a part of the real leftists, while we are all still MAGA stooges. This is what I am trying to highlight to you.
(DIR) Post #AiSSzu9PqCY6tWLpoW by spacemanspiff@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T18:00:12Z
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@nam @wjmaggos @ryan @Dhowjen he does. constant disingenuous tripe.
(DIR) Post #AiSUdQ90vK0pMuZO0u by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T18:30:05Z
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@nam @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen I almost always agree with folks like Greenwald. left but not woke or standard Dem you'd see on tv.tell me who you are. you won't even say if you think the election was stolen in 2020. everybody else here seems to think it was. Trump is funny, it's all Biden's fault. your show focuses on the govt, corrupt media and left. def not anything to do with capitalism. COVID was overblown. mRNA vax kills. too many trans kids & immigrants. yea guns. boo cities.
(DIR) Post #AiSWOMswxTripE0RIu by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T18:49:43Z
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@wjmaggos @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen You crucified us with that one. I don't konw how we're going to recover. I don't know if the election was stolen but there is evidence that may be. John & I share our sincere thoughts. Thank you for categorizing us. You're the masochist who smuggly tells us we're wrong, while never taking a stance, then claim you're opening channels of communication. Your facade of integretiy is insincere as you divide people into your precieved identity groups.
(DIR) Post #AiSarOF7ODgNFZT9qS by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T19:30:14Z
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@wjmaggos @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen I think the reason you're having difficulties understanding what I am suggesting your doing is because you've convinced yourself that your magic glasses have prevented you from falling for ideological fallacies. In your view, your grouping of us is correct, while we're just cowards that are afraid to admit we're MAGA retards. Its hard to break through that ideology you hold, especially when you can't see it...Well maybe you do and you're just insincere idk
(DIR) Post #AiSarPABy1Ku6aAjo0 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T19:39:55Z
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@nam @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen my magic glasses lead me to say things that upset all sides all the time. that's the proof they are working (at least somewhat). I don't see you saying anything that would upset a MAGA fan.
(DIR) Post #AiSbCOeJ4fSMajGerw by ryan@bemrose.social
2024-05-31T19:11:07.841383Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen @nam > how much money and time should one spend on it?This isn't some bike shed crap like whether to take red or green salsa. This is the fucking Presidency of the United States. I'd say at LEAST as much as we piss away sending to foreign places like Ukraine.
(DIR) Post #AiSbCPI0h3DQZrqMkq by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T19:43:38Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam yes, no more money for Ukraine. agreed.so now tell me why Mike Johnson isn't looking into all this?https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mike-johnson-january-6-house-speaker-nominee-rcna122081
(DIR) Post #AiSbDozcc8nKaJuvJI by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T19:44:02Z
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@wjmaggos @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen Heres a few: 1. Trump rushed the vaccine to the public. 2. His stance on Israel would be indistinguishable from Biden's by way of death of brown children. 3. Turmp is not God, nor was he sent by God. 4. Not pardoning Assange was a mistake that Trump made.
(DIR) Post #AiSbsl4g5UsGIxnnYO by nam@noauthority.social
2024-05-31T19:47:35Z
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@wjmaggos @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen Alright I played your game. Now play mine: who will you be voting for in 2024 US presidential election?
(DIR) Post #AiSbsmH7ciQG1qdFaa by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-31T19:51:23Z
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@nam @spacemanspiff @ryan @Dhowjen Cornel West. but if I was in a contested state, I'd vote Biden (we need RCV everywhere). I explained why in another reply, maybe you missed it (hang on...)imo it's absolutely appropriate (necessary even) to talk shit about all candidates but then also admit that voting for the lesser evil in this dumb duopoly is proper where it might matter.
(DIR) Post #AiShlVUSEMKtfXmhLE by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-05-31T20:57:30.184252Z
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@wjmaggos @ryan @Dhowjen @nam Money to Ukraine is a small fraction of what we spend on entitlements.
(DIR) Post #AiVawbZxUJLb6KTkKO by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-06-02T06:24:44Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/g-s1-2298/publisher-of-2000-mules-election-conspiracy-theory-film-issues-apology
(DIR) Post #AiVuK9LY0O2VcQg8VE by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-06-02T10:02:15.751261Z
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@wjmaggos @ryan @Dhowjen @nam another civil case from someone who experienced no actual risk
(DIR) Post #AiWT8CKOaj8tmoAzAG by ryan@bemrose.social
2024-06-02T15:49:39.678466Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen @nam 1) Hard to take this seriously when the only source is a severely biased progressive tabloid. Quick scan for biased adjectives: "conservative media company", "widespread conspiracy", "falsely depicted", "right-wing commentator", "widely debunked", "false claim", "baselessly accused", "abruptly recalled", and putting "ballot tracfficking" in air quotes. A quick news search turned up links from CNN and MSNBC (which are even worse), but not one article that scanned with a neutral bent.2) I'm not really sure what you think you're refuting here. The lawsuit does nothing to refute the truthfulness in the claims laid out in 2000 Mules. It merely demonstrates that one person (whose biases I can guess at) got angry enough to attempt lawfare against what he perceived to be a political enemy. I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a lot of that going on these days.3) Supposing that the lawsuit-happy Mr. Andrews is actually telling the truth, and that he was singled out unjustly. In that case, the documentary could simply be amended to remove any mention of him without any loss of impact. You could rename it to "1999 Mules"3a) Even if you threw out the whole documentary, are you going to link to NPR articles individually "debunking" each and every other piece of evidence of fraud? Actaully scratch that. It wouldn't surprise me if someone at NPR had actually written an article with this level of bias for each one.4) Salem Media issued the retraction, not D'Souza. The latter made the documentary, and is responsible for its contents. The former merely entered a business engagement. And being a publishing business, is understandably more exposed to lawfare.4a) It's a settlement, not a verdict. Settlements are designed to explicitly avoid any question of findings of fact. Everything else is pure supposition.And finally, this argument demonstrates the kind of wishful thinking that I see a lot from cancel culture fetishists. The documentary laid out an argument with evidence and reasoning to reach a conclusion. That doesn't go away just because you ad-hominem away the person making the argument. That's not how information works. Even if D'Souza himself wanted to retract it, he could only do so by presenting a new argument with new evidence that contradicts the argument already made.
(DIR) Post #AiWT8Dw0cMp8lkmXQm by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-06-02T16:32:09Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam I remember when people who thought the election was stolen welcomed defamation suits cause they said it would allow for discovery and expose the conspiracy.I agree lawfare can go too far. There can be an imbalance in what lawyers you can afford, but expensive lawyers do take cases they think are winnable to get a huge piece of the settlement/damages. Problem there too.And I don't know how we otherwise stop wannabes from saying crazy shit that can go viral.
(DIR) Post #AiWWOyTddqb9c7Bt0C by ryan@bemrose.social
2024-06-02T16:59:23.321300Z
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@wjmaggos @Dhowjen @nam Lawsuits are possibly the most inefficient, and expensive method we have to arrive at the truth, especially given how often they don't get there. Infinitely more effective would be to simply *not censor opposing viewpoints*.> I don't know how we otherwise stop wannabes from saying crazy shit that can go viral.You don't. You seem to keep intentionally missing this point. The way you fight misinformation is not with enforcement and censorship - that provably doesn't work. You fight misinformation by doing two things: 1) providing access to true information, AND 2) by teaching people the critical thinking skills necessary to tell the difference.
(DIR) Post #AiWWOzjcxsyxVzgAYy by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-06-02T17:08:43Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam you know me better than this. I am against censorship and pro critical thinking. I guess I misspoke but I am talking about straight up lies that can lead good people to do horrible shit. lawfare should be the last option but I think fear of it is probably helping to stop the worst shit. The Covington kid got a settlement out of CNN and NBC. AJ did a lot to fuck up the lives of the live of the Sandy Hook parents. why not call people pedos and hope somebody takes them out?
(DIR) Post #AiWWrFuWPwhjn8Fbma by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-06-02T17:13:54Z
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@ryan @Dhowjen @nam obviously we differ on 2020 but I don't understand why people who think it was stolen don't do more to "restore democracy". I mean it should be time for 1776 shit if you believe that. that it was orchestrated from the top levels etc. I don't get even talking about politics if that's how this government actually works.so say people did organize and act. lots of people die. and then you find out Trump never believed it. was lying the whole time. oh well. no lawsuits?
(DIR) Post #AicyjO4hA0dIW5Adl2 by jforseth210@rcsocial.net
2024-06-05T19:54:23Z
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@wjmaggos I want a time machine so I can read this sentence to the founding fathers.