Post Ai09dBneiYfDPskZKC by shiftyskip@social.linux.pizza
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 (DIR) Post #AhalarlwxAeys5JUps by codewiz@mstdn.io
       2024-05-05T20:19:58Z
       
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       Stallman intervened in the Q&A section of  "AI in a Closed World", objecting to the term Artificial IntelligenceAfter a lengthy discussion, RMS said he'd rather call it "Machine Learning."And there we are, once again reducing a technological revolution to a petty lexicological argument, just like the "Free Software" vs "Open Source Software" flamewars 20 years ago 🤦‍♀️#FreeSoftware #OpenSource #AI #MachineLearning
       
 (DIR) Post #AhalasOadVZInvOM40 by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2024-05-05T20:21:46Z
       
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       @codewiz Stallman, of course, is quite right. And, as we all know, naming things is both very hard and very important. 'AI' is an empty marketing term.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhaleuFLhEiphezVMu by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-05T20:26:38.610554Z
       
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       @codewiz rms is based as always.I love fighting in holy wars on the correct side.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahp62Kw3LuxoQwr2DQ by shiftyskip@social.linux.pizza
       2024-05-06T02:42:21Z
       
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       @codewiz As a young tech person, who remembers not knowing much about tech a few years ago, I can confirm that the choice of words does make a difference."Artificial Intelligence" and "Machine Learning" may mean the same thing to a tech person (in the right context), but to someone who's not into tech, the former often means "computer as intelligent as a human", while the later is a technical term that they're more likely to lookup.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahp62LoI6GLh9AELku by codewiz@mstdn.io
       2024-05-06T03:56:04Z
       
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       @shiftyskip I don't disagree: when talking with other techies, I use more specific terms, such as "transformer", "generative model" or LLM.My point is that starting a terminology war against anyone who uses AI is likely to be as pointless as trying to make people say Free Software and GNU/Linux.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhtEbyaHVWIfns12Qq by akhudek@mastodon.social
       2024-05-05T20:28:56Z
       
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       @lightweight @codewiz if you want to be pedantic, machine learning is a subset of the field of AI, so AI is not an incorrect term. Also, given enough time marketing will ruin the meaning of any term. In light of that, I no longer feel that naming things is that important. Instead, just be clear in your writing and explain what you mean.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahw7TGF0NF8nknqCBs by nowherefast@techhub.social
       2024-05-05T21:20:32Z
       
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       @codewiz Stallman is absolutely correct. Using the term AI skews the public perception and discourse on the topic.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahw7TH8J3dNQWJiMO8 by codewiz@mstdn.io
       2024-05-05T22:07:58Z
       
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       @nowherefast Correct or not, we should accept that most people will say AI and ML interchangeably. Interrupting them to point out that it's incorrect will make us sound like picky nerds, and derail the conversation from more crucial topics, such as:* How do we design, train and fine-tune free and open models?* Who will cover the huge infrastructure costs?* Can we realistically match or exceed the capabilities of existing proprietary models?...and many more.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahw7THo8Y6pyc3Hlaa by bignose@fosstodon.org
       2024-05-06T00:15:25Z
       
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       @codewiz > we should accept that most people will say AI and ML interchangeably.Sure, I accept that.That acceptance is entirely compatible with also acting to *reduce* the usage of misleading terminology, and to *increase* the usage of more accurate terminology.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhwkDnVKpWqWUu62Yi by redstarfish@social.linux.pizza
       2024-05-06T05:43:23Z
       
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       @codewizI didn't watch this talk, but according to you it happened during a QnA session.  At that time most of the things the presenter had to say had been said.  Why are you calling it an "interruption"?  QnA sessions are designed for such discussions.@nowherefast
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai09dB01h4xsvxWvy4 by shiftyskip@social.linux.pizza
       2024-05-06T04:45:25Z
       
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       @codewiz You seem to have understood the exact opposite of what I said. The terms used make a difference *to non-techies*, becauae they don't really know their definitions, and their understanding is based on the literal meaning of the words, and the context they see them in.For instance, to non-tech people, "Open Source" means "you can access the source" (literal meaning) or "any programer can contribute" (usual context), but not "you can tweak it and share it"
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai09dBneiYfDPskZKC by shiftyskip@social.linux.pizza
       2024-05-06T05:04:07Z
       
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       @codewiz In the cass of "GNU/Linux" and "Linux", tech people know what they refer to (depending on context, in the case of Linux), but less informed people won't be able to learn about GNU (and often, by extension, the free software philosophy) if you don't ever mention it (by the way, I'm speaking from personal experience, here).One way or another, even if 2 terms "mean" the same thing, they're going to give people different inpressions of what they mean.