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(DIR) Post #Ahopo2ulxQtRDsQ3Jg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T15:19:01Z
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Someone said it's important say this publicly in the US: so I will. (And I think each of us should, online and to friends)This November *I* will vote for Biden. I would regard not voting for Biden, particularly in: PA, OH, MI, WI, IN, IL,VA, GA, FL, AZ, ME, NC, NH, etc. as a huge error. I'd be disappointed to find out anyone I knew didn't vote. It's one of a long list of things we need to do. We can't skip it.And still? We deserve better choices, and in the future we shall have them.
(DIR) Post #AhoqLSXLiRIqFFObTM by panamared27401@mstdn.social
2024-05-12T15:24:57Z
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@futurebird Preach. N.C. voter here. I will be voting for Biden and working to get Democrats elected all the way down the ballot.
(DIR) Post #AhoqQHzMMSMwyhnh8y by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T15:25:56Z
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@mfennvt I think it's important to make it clear that even people who are deeply skeptical & disappointed in Biden are planning on voting for him: That's the only way than ANY left and far left movements will have the space to make progress. If Trump is elected we'll all be in "survival mode" it will be ugly. There won't be time to think about much beyond just keeping everyone safe in our local areas. No more big ideas, or aspiring to change the way the US interacts with other nations.
(DIR) Post #AhorOhSamtxxLrHQ92 by MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social
2024-05-12T15:36:49Z
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@futurebird I am not a fan of our current "one party one fascist death cult" system but will be voting for the actual political party to avoid the death cult, thankee kindly.
(DIR) Post #AhorVIj39H9QfL7q52 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T15:38:02Z
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Basically I feel a little silly even posting this, because to me it's obvious. It's like there is a big red button that says "Fascism" and I'm like "do I really need to say that I think pushing that button is a terrible idea?"But just in case? Under no circumstances should we push the big red button. Elect Biden again and proceed to make him *miserable* Better than being too miserable to get anything done.
(DIR) Post #AhorgvcwqzfyVCoeAa by YakyuNightOwl@mastodon.world
2024-05-12T15:40:10Z
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@futurebird THIS. We've got Squad Goals for 2028. That doesn't happen without democracy.
(DIR) Post #AhosPamFDjP4rtSfaq by jztusk@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T15:48:08Z
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@futurebird #AOC put it well: Your vote gives you an opportunity to pick which enemy you fight against for the next four years. And she said she'd much rather be fighting against Biden.
(DIR) Post #AhosgjnkvBEDmPLO1w by rose_alibi@post.lurk.org
2024-05-12T15:50:58Z
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@futurebird i mean, yeah. i'll vote for him. but i have a hard time believing there will be better choices in the future. that has not held true in my lifetime. the choices have consistently been bad. or bad masquerading as ok.
(DIR) Post #AhosrMqib6AFmQnYdk by WhiteCatTamer@mastodon.online
2024-05-12T15:51:56Z
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@futurebird @mfennvt And worse, it’ll be survival mode for not just Americans.The climate effects alone of Europe increasing war production to account for Trump threatening to or weakening NATO would be terrible.
(DIR) Post #AhotazVbi1DgiBg8zw by Breedlov@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-05-12T16:01:21Z
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@futurebird NEVER vote for a Republican
(DIR) Post #Ahp2hPIRdvVu12ekro by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T17:43:31Z
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@rose_alibi I think the right has become desperate and vicious because they know they are outnumbered and it's only a matter of time until popular ideas make their way into law... the bad part is a portion of the democratic party is also scared of this... but they are more pliable.
(DIR) Post #Ahp2lrsTJyKHohdQLA by racingdaily@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T17:43:58Z
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@futurebird A terrible idea? It depends on whether you dig genocide I guess, if you do then by all means vote for a senile old fart who aids and abets the mass murder of babies
(DIR) Post #Ahp2qjS050av83ZY0W by biplanepilot@poweredbygay.social
2024-05-12T17:45:09Z
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@futurebird How will we get those better choices?
(DIR) Post #Ahp2uEeaWYbKlw8AFs by racingdaily@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T17:45:44Z
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@futurebird A terrible idea? It depends on whether you dig genocide I guess, if you do then by all means vote for a senile old fart who aids and abets the mass murder of babies.Biden has actually achieved the impossible, he has made Trump electable again
(DIR) Post #Ahp2zZKr3cUUMaRZx2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T17:46:25Z
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@biplanepilot It starts with local races, although I'm loathe to see some of the more effective organizers go into politics some of them must.
(DIR) Post #Ahp34OE7mnlfMIavTM by biplanepilot@poweredbygay.social
2024-05-12T17:47:42Z
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@futurebird People have been saying and doing this as long as I’ve been voting. Nothing seems to chang- in fact our choices keep getting worse.
(DIR) Post #Ahp3qD2GhL2EY8qp8a by Jorsh@beige.party
2024-05-12T17:56:16Z
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@futurebird I'm a Canadian, so my opinion has no real bearing on this. Take this with a brick of salt.Not voting for Biden (who I greatly dislike) would be cutting one's wrists to spite their face. The US has a two party system masquerading as an open field democracy. It is either Democrat or Republican. No third party has any chance of claiming the presidency *at this moment in time*. Maybe when the Republican party finally implodes, you might get a better alternative. But as things stand at this moment in time, voting for Biden is your populace's only chance of survival.As I said, this is just my outsider opinion.
(DIR) Post #Ahp3roiu3sxlj2Ylpw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T17:56:29Z
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@sidereal @biplanepilot It would be a mistake to put all faith in elections to address the problems that we see sufficiently. I think it's also a mistake to ignore that lever of power, such as it is. Who is on your local school board? Suddenly this matters a great deal.
(DIR) Post #Ahp3vlWHujRkwrXegi by biplanepilot@poweredbygay.social
2024-05-12T17:57:18Z
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@sidereal @futurebird Moms for Liberty.
(DIR) Post #Ahp4TJlRcBTCiCd85Y by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T18:03:10Z
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@racingdaily Who do you want to win the election?
(DIR) Post #Ahp4bj6NIImVbzQhXs by biplanepilot@poweredbygay.social
2024-05-12T18:02:16Z
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@ayilathebailey @futurebird Unfortunately I do not.
(DIR) Post #Ahp4bjWxhS34wRrvzE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T18:04:06Z
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@biplanepilot @ayilathebailey Me either. But then it's our job to pressure the right people to run. And give them what support we can.
(DIR) Post #Ahp62MUTZQ5pFzy2Vc by csstrowbridge@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T18:20:52Z
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@futurebird Also, call your elected officials more.
(DIR) Post #Ahp6AcfrHfQ3lZEMKm by GGMcBG@mstdn.plus
2024-05-12T18:22:14Z
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@futurebird The bone-deep capacity for the pettiest selfish spite, and unfounded entitlement of white America gave us the rapist once already. And Bush II as well.I have no faith in that same stupid group choosing any other option but the worst one again.
(DIR) Post #Ahp6Hh9n11c5hEbRnU by suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T18:23:32Z
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@futurebird @mfennvt People gotta stop expecting a leader to save them. The only people who care about us are ourselves, so we must be the ones responsible for initiating change. And we can’t let perfect become the enemy of survival.
(DIR) Post #Ahp7dFpNPCkDGFtnma by GPJohnston@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T18:38:48Z
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@futurebird @mfennvt well said, old Joe can be infuriating, but a decent bloke who has also done some very good things. Most importantly, the alternative is truly terrifying.
(DIR) Post #Ahp82YOhV6g85sU9XE by astroPug@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T18:43:21Z
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@futurebird @mfennvt Thank you for putting this in words.I tried to explain this to some friends offline the other day. Best I could come up with as a comparison is that a Trump win would mean death by a thousand cuts.
(DIR) Post #Ahp85jjPojIo7Agyfo by TCatInReality@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T18:43:53Z
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@futurebird 🎯
(DIR) Post #Ahp9NtcVtErtwzgdvM by PandaChronicle@ohai.social
2024-05-12T17:29:16Z
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@mfennvt @futurebird We cannot afford letting “perfect” get in the way of even incremental progress. If TFG gets re-elected we will go backward so fast it will make your head spin. Is Biden perfect? well, no, but NO ONE is. He is still our best hope of having a non-authoritarian future. I can’t believe there are people who don’t see this.
(DIR) Post #Ahp9NuYIQP5aqCimzQ by suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T18:27:18Z
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@PandaChronicle @mfennvt @futurebird I remember being like this when I was young and voted for Nader instead of Gore. I just didn’t have the experience to recognize how much worse the risk of a Bush presidency was compared to not voting my conscience. A quarter of a century later…
(DIR) Post #Ahp9dFAm2YLD8e1vrE by teruterubozu@toot.wales
2024-05-12T19:01:08Z
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@futurebird I live in MA, a "safe state" but yes, will vote for Biden. No president, or person, is perfect, but any other vote helps Trump and fuck that
(DIR) Post #Ahp9inoMgMPQ13CPKK by cardboard@tiny.tilde.website
2024-05-12T19:02:12Z
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@futurebird biden & trump are the same. local elections are what matter ❤️
(DIR) Post #Ahp9nHNigOHIsus3OK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T19:02:59Z
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@suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt There was a lot of money spent ... plus the general ethos of "two wings one bird" "both sides bad" etc. that went a long way towards inspiring apathy in young left leaning voters. It's only grown more sophisticated. It's smart to vote for democrats (even if you don't agree with much of what they do) if you recognize that you can do more if your opposition is democrats and not someone who doesn't even think people like you should have a say or exist.
(DIR) Post #Ahp9qKFmSfECf1bsky by Bellaboo@newsie.social
2024-05-12T19:03:01Z
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@futurebird If the polls are correct, it’s a major message. Biden should be clobbering Trump at this point. Based on all we’ve experienced with Trump, the ineptitude, the crassness, the misogyny, etc., you would think it would be no contest. Not because Biden has been the greatest leader, but because Trump gives new meaning to odious. But it’s a close contest. The message: our country is much more right than we think and people care more about “the other” than basic democracy
(DIR) Post #Ahp9x1BXktQNY3orGi by PandaChronicle@ohai.social
2024-05-12T19:04:46Z
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@futurebird @suzannealdrich @mfennvt right? The chance for change and progress over authoritarian crack downs is our choice.
(DIR) Post #AhpAyfsC42BVz27daa by njwatt@jawns.club
2024-05-12T19:13:34Z
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@suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt @futurebird sympathy, as a young adult my reaction to the Iraq war was to register Libertarian when I turned 18. (They were very anti-war in 2007.) I was very against “lesser of two evils” voting until I was tying my shoes to go vote the morning of the 2016 election. I sat there staring at my shoelaces thinking “oh my god, Trump is completely unfit for the job.” I voted for Clinton that day and have consistently voted D since#VoteBlue
(DIR) Post #AhpB0j7Uxmt8dHG9Zo by doctormo@floss.social
2024-05-12T19:12:29Z
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@biplanepilot @futurebird As it ever was.We focused on certain things and they got better, we ignored certain things and they got worse.Anyone who tells you it's just one more fight for utopia is a liar. It's an endless push for reform that we must pace ourselves for. Be alert but not afraid.~Don't panic~
(DIR) Post #AhpB7oa33lZVawzeWe by Barkingdogproblem@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T19:17:58Z
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@futurebird Unless Biden loses. Then our “choices” will all have the last name Trump.
(DIR) Post #AhpBRqJKKuAekkiptY by TimWardCam@c.im
2024-05-12T19:21:33Z
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@futurebird @mfennvt Discussions about "left" in US politics sometimes seem a little weird to some of us outsiders. We have traditionally viewed the US as having two parties, one "far right" and the other "extreme right". I haven't over the years always been able to remember which is which, although these days I think I do know when one is further right than the other.
(DIR) Post #AhpBXPeWMb7JoOI8KO by mjf_pro@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T19:21:53Z
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@futurebird @emc2 That last point in particular. If we don’t vote for kumquat in November (vs sewage!) we ain’t got no shot at getting our chocolate ganache for at least another two generations.
(DIR) Post #AhpCDDaDcxnSXeDITw by regordane@mastodon.me.uk
2024-05-12T19:30:00Z
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@futurebirdIn the UK the same goes for #Labour #Starmer or whoever is best placed locally to get the Tories out.#gtto2024 #gtto
(DIR) Post #AhpCaq4Ihrk6YtXzcm by pesasa@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T19:34:22Z
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@futurebird In long term your (as US) the goal should be a better voting system, which does not lead to a two-party system. I see that as your biggest obstacle. The whole US is a hostage of two parties.Just an outsiders view from the northern Europe.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
(DIR) Post #AhpCudiSLFvQ2klt44 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T19:37:53Z
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@FlashMobOfOne @ServerWrestler @Jorsh Who do you want to win the election?
(DIR) Post #AhpDE5VNFO2pjPvT6m by ravenonthill@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T19:41:29Z
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@futurebird Yes.Many people don't believe that pushing that button will make any difference to their future. They believe that they will be safe from Trump's depredations.Other people don't look ahead. They don't understand, for instance, that, while Roe ended under Biden, it was lost because of Trump. It's going to be a hard-fought election. Trump will not concede. We must do what we can to stay in the better future.
(DIR) Post #AhpDPY5PK6jnYmFGqW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T19:43:32Z
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@ravenonthill "Other people don't look ahead. They don't understand, for instance, that, while Roe ended under Biden, it was lost because of Trump." I would doubt this but we have it right here:https://mastodon.art/@FlashMobOfOne/112429786537128366
(DIR) Post #AhpDTQvprhHMWscWsy by nuthaven@noc.social
2024-05-12T19:42:16Z
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@suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt @futurebird Same. I was sure my state would go for Gore and my vote wouldn't affect the outcome, so I decided, what the heck, harmless to send a message.In spite of the harmlessness, I regret it. I got *all three* of them wrong. "Bush is a moderate Republican": no. "Gore is basically also a moderate Republican": no. "Nader is a guy I'd actually like to have in office": no.I'm still in a safe democratic state, but no more "message" votes from me.
(DIR) Post #AhpDjrUmry7BY4nohM by robryk@qoto.org
2024-05-12T19:47:12Z
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@futurebird What do you think about various vote swapping arrangements with voters from states that are closer to even than yours?
(DIR) Post #AhpDq6YjmADu0Ocw5I by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T19:48:20Z
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@robryk If it makes people happy. Personally I don't think that voting is an action that links you to any canidate. It's just about who can win and if you can have some influence to have a better person win or not.
(DIR) Post #AhpErBEly76Kl2MiRs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T19:59:37Z
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@maggiejk @mfennvt "But the thing is if he wins at least half the people will fight against the fascism and genocides. "There will be twice as many to fight. How do you think deporting 11 million people will go? I don't see any upside to overtaxing already overtaxed networks of support. We'll be so busy with domestic issues we won't even know whats going on outside the US. This concept is call accelerationism. It risky, and often backfires, badly.
(DIR) Post #AhpEvjlpW76T1E067s by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T20:00:26Z
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@maggiejk @mfennvt Also, was "the last administration" responsible for COVID being taken more seriously? Or was that because it was new and scary?
(DIR) Post #AhpFCATI0kkESoABCS by Methylcobalamin@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T20:03:22Z
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@futurebird I skipped the "uncommitted" option on my primary ballot and gladly voted for President Biden.This November I will gladly vote for President Biden and vote Blue down ballot.
(DIR) Post #AhpFYaPoEVsHIXE1ku by grumble209@techhub.social
2024-05-12T20:07:15Z
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@futurebird @mfennvt You can rationalize voting for Biden a lot of ways.But in the end you're voting for the status quo; maybe the status quo with new curtains and a coat of paint.
(DIR) Post #AhpGpfqFPXId0MIsAi by makeitmythic@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T20:21:50Z
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@futurebird when is the future
(DIR) Post #AhpGzkcMVaYYiHc6ng by idlestate@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-05-12T20:23:14Z
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@futurebirdeven in safer states, it can be crucial to vote because of the Congressional racesthe '22 mid-term elections typically would have been a shoo in for the Republicans, but as it happens they just barely pulled out their thin majority in the House, & only then by winning races in places like NY 19th that includes at least 4 college towns I can think of off the top of my head: Ithaca (Cornell) & SUNY campuses in Binghamton, Cortland, Oneonta
(DIR) Post #AhpKbZhTqb7ZihjdtA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T21:03:55Z
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@BlueAppaloosa @mfennvt He has won the nomination and is drawing up plans for how he'll "get more done" from day one should he be in office again. It's horrible.
(DIR) Post #AhpMU8ge5HbtovvWRk by ravenonthill@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T21:25:12Z
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@futurebird yeah. This whole disastrous fascist arc, going back two, perhaps three, decades has been one long lesson in how politically unaware people vote and how propaganda works.
(DIR) Post #AhpOPpmacwnFwMmYVM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T21:46:50Z
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@necromantrix @PandaChronicle @mfennvt I think he's done a lot of good on the student loan issue finding ways around the way he was initially prevented from doing it. It's not well publicized but he has.His inability to see that the current leadership of Israel is -- out of control or to respond to them as anything but allies while at most "tisk tisking" is another matter. I don't have anything to say to mitigate it. Everyone should be disgusted with him over this.
(DIR) Post #AhpOsX5ZD41YMOLKZU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T21:51:57Z
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@paul_ipv6 @nuthaven @suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt except maybe in a primary. Nothing wrong with making it clear you aren't a "happy democrat" when you can.
(DIR) Post #AhpP7jVLKYMXD7eDWy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T21:54:48Z
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@LunaDragofelis @crashglasshouses They really want to totally criminalize and possibly deport large numbers of undocumented Americans. They have plans and are not kidding.Relocating millions of people is violence. We know this we see this. We will have it in our back yards.
(DIR) Post #AhpPG4gCUBEvCVhgjQ by Hash@sfba.social
2024-05-12T21:56:18Z
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@futurebird @mfennvtWhy vote for Failed, women hating, autocrat who is promising more of the same
(DIR) Post #AhpPOiwieyw2OxYRtY by PandaChronicle@ohai.social
2024-05-12T21:57:50Z
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@futurebird @paul_ipv6 @nuthaven @suzannealdrich @mfennvt Our state has an open primary, meaning any registered voter can vote for anyone. This means in theory 2 candidates of the same party could be top 2 finishers. If you use your vote to send a message, you risk the candidate of your party not being on the ballot. But in the 2020 primary I voted for Warren. Biden won easily & I voted for him in the general.
(DIR) Post #AhpPirT8gKPKcuJxh2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T22:01:19Z
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@crashglasshouses @LunaDragofelis Before we go further. Who do you want to win the election? (Among those who could win.)
(DIR) Post #AhpPzX9jSTGiY9C400 by Amoshias@esq.social
2024-05-12T22:04:25Z
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@futurebird here's the problem - and it's not a reason to not vote for biden, it's just not something I know any way out of.We are now in a position where at any point, if the Republican wins, democracy in the United States will end. I'm not sure how you get better candidates you when the choice is "vote for whoever we put up with or accept fascism."
(DIR) Post #AhpQ9v7BEbsfkix7Qm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T22:06:23Z
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@Amoshias It might not end totally, we might make it out, but it will be ugly and consume the energy and resources of people who are already overextended and who have the least to get back out. It's not certain doom it's but why would anyone want to make this any harder than it already is ... that is beyond me. It's like someone spitting in your face.
(DIR) Post #AhpQUeDJGfJBPqhet6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T22:10:07Z
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@crashglasshouses @LunaDragofelis "no one."Man oh man how I wish I had the luxury of simply saying "no one" when asked who I'd rather win in elections. That would be... amazing. Because I don't really like any of these people and if I could I would be so happy to just not care.I cannot afford to answer this way. The reasons are people I can name. So many people.
(DIR) Post #AhpRdNfcFGROfSfgIa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T22:22:48Z
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@crashglasshouses @LunaDragofelis You've been talking to everyone in this thread as if we are unaware of Biden's foreign policy choices and not totally disgusted with them. Which is why no one is contradicting your criticisms of him. This isn't a conversation about how wonderful he is. It's a conversation about the impact of elections on our ability to organize. A lot of work that was possible before Trump stopped when he was in office. It was a huge set back.
(DIR) Post #AhpSh9pXk9SSrAgBwO by SarahSanger@fosstodon.org
2024-05-12T22:34:47Z
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@futurebird @ravenonthill To be honest it's like they are trying to lose. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/04/03/hillary-clinton-fallon-interview-biden-trump-stephen-a-smith-nn-vpx.cnnBecause they are paid by the same people that pay the republicans, it's hard to hear this and not reach the conclusion that they are actively trying to throw the election.
(DIR) Post #AhpSqNivSS2MYHyz2W by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-12T22:36:26Z
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@SarahSanger @ravenonthill Ugh... she isn't helping is she?
(DIR) Post #AhpU2XL9d54bo4DvLk by suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T22:49:53Z
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@futurebird @PandaChronicle @mfennvt It became super real after Katrina.https://youtu.be/UGRcEXtLpTo
(DIR) Post #AhpUTuLADuPOxWHOT2 by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-12T22:54:50Z
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@futurebird How do you think your action works towards better choices?
(DIR) Post #AhpUeMCjTqh8H1JoI4 by Jackiemauro@fosstodon.org
2024-05-12T22:56:38Z
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@futurebird @maggiejk @mfennvt Yea this is a huge gamble. Generally half of the population does not actively fight against fascism. Especially because fascists like Trump plan to shoot protestors. Assuming push back by the left will be more effective against Trump than Biden seems … like a big assumption.
(DIR) Post #AhpUgfFVdwsrv2iXyK by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-12T22:56:50Z
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@futurebird Except here's two buttons, and both effect a different flavor of fascism.Sometimes it has to get worse before it can get better. Your vote is not among the options you have to make it better.
(DIR) Post #AhpUjYRPPblFfmf4s4 by Jackiemauro@fosstodon.org
2024-05-12T22:57:39Z
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@futurebird @maggiejk @mfennvt this is a narrative I see popping up a lot. Basically that the isolation period was longer under Trump so he actually did a better job. Our memories are short.
(DIR) Post #AhpVDGW2cdx0lYzmpE by SarahSanger@fosstodon.org
2024-05-12T23:03:00Z
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@futurebird @ravenonthill 💔
(DIR) Post #AhpWAa39deFOR3leQy by lin11c@toad.social
2024-05-12T23:13:38Z
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@futurebird Absolutely! There is zero excuse to not vote for Biden. If you don't, it means you are a selfish privileged asshole or very very ignorant as to what the stakes are. It's not #DonTheCon, it's the evil billionaire like Koch and Thiel pulling his strings.
(DIR) Post #AhpYAOihxiQnCmFDto by jumile@mas.to
2024-05-12T23:36:07Z
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@futurebird Agreed. Sadly, the only option in a broken electoral system is to vote for the least worst option. (Same here in the UK, with our first-past-the-post and "you only get to vote for your local representative. The latter also allows for tactical voting here.)They'll see it as a reward or, worse, a declare a "mandate" to do whatever they like, but it's this or gifting the win to the far worse option.Protest votes, spoiled ballots or not voting is bonkers in such a broken system.
(DIR) Post #AhpZjIlyAMt8qhyf6O by MisuseCase@twit.social
2024-05-12T23:53:36Z
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@futurebird @suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt For people on the right it’s “government doesn’t work, vote for the GOP so we can destroy it,” and on the left it’s “government doesn’t work, don’t vote.”
(DIR) Post #AhpZwK7UT8bmn9FkBc by Jennifer@bookstodon.com
2024-05-12T23:55:51Z
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@futurebird I live in Tennessee and because of the electoral college it doesn't matter who i vote for. I am not voting for Biden unless he makes some very serious changes soon. To me genocide is the most evil and horrendous crime that can be committed in this world and I will not support someone who is using my tax dollars to fund it. If I lived in a swing state I don't know what I'd do. We deserve so much better.
(DIR) Post #AhpaDdSVotyvh4LBQG by Rayston@mastodon.radio
2024-05-12T23:59:04Z
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@futurebird The Democratic party is basically holding us hostage.at.this point. Complete with stockholm syndrome.Still gonna vote for the man though.
(DIR) Post #AhpafiN39R5H2IAu7U by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T23:26:28Z
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@incoherentmumblings @futurebird It never gets worse and then gets better. That's not how anything works.
(DIR) Post #Ahpafj1ohrh54jFSfA by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-12T23:33:31Z
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@tob @futurebird That is how it works most of the time.When the Germans were ruled by the Nazis? When the Italians were ruled by the Fascists? When the French were ruled by Luis XIV? When the Cubans were ruled by Batista? Every time the fascists take power, it has to get worse before enough pushback builds up, internally or externally, to finally get rid of them.Now it's the US's term to get rid of their oligarchs, and boy you are in for a lot of getting worse before it can get better.
(DIR) Post #AhpafjWerCMccNg5jc by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:01:15Z
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@incoherentmumblings @futurebird That is a crazy take on world history.
(DIR) Post #Ahpafk8EbUQCUvG6Iy by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:03:13Z
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@tob @futurebird It's a realistic take on world history. And logical one.Only orthodox reformists believe otherwise, and they cannot explain why it ever gets worse.
(DIR) Post #AhpafkYp0dglpNhKkK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T00:04:09Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob But we already had "the worst" in the USA. We already did that.
(DIR) Post #AhpamEe24QiarxEAgC by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:05:20Z
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@futurebird @tob It can always get even worse. And tbf, you had it pretty good since about WW2 for quite while, at the expense of many others of course.
(DIR) Post #AhpbW6OR5866b9nsDQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T00:13:31Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob Worse than slavery and jim crow? IDK
(DIR) Post #AhpbvPIJwaTiSY0e12 by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:18:12Z
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@futurebird @tob And it did get worse in the south before it got better, didn't it? Not only did they have slavery, but they were also being killed and the economy collapsed when they starting losing the war. So, again, classic situation of it had to get worse before it could get better.
(DIR) Post #Ahpc9D9NtNwyqiPavg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T00:20:41Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob I thought your theory was that a low point enabled a better future, but this just sounds like "things get better and worse" which isn't meaningful. Considering where the US has been we should be the most magical and perfect place on earth. That's not how it went at all, nor is how it going. Progress was slow, hard fought, we are still digging our way out of that pit even now.
(DIR) Post #AhpcXDph0Tw7upeOSe by imstilljeremy@babka.social
2024-05-13T00:25:01Z
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@futurebird @incoherentmumblings @tob I mean, they are citing Nazi Germany as a success story for her theory of historical progress. Which would mean the upside to Trump would be extermination camps, and all of us who are killed are just the price that needs to be paid for her "progress".A wonderful demonstration of the counter-argument to your point, though horrifyingly honest.
(DIR) Post #AhpckwSkNwEQ66SaLQ by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:27:31Z
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@futurebird No, the thesis is that in certain situations there's no way to a better future that does not come with a temporary worsening of the overall situation.You are ruled by oligarchs that have subverted the democratic process, it's futile to look towards that exact process to try and make it better. To get rid of them, you can't use the legal framework that they have set up precisely to prevent you from doing that. Revolution doesn't come as cheap and comfortable as voting, sorry.@tob
(DIR) Post #Ahpct9rUS3SjyEx24u by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:29:01Z
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@futurebird @incoherentmumblings @tob +1 for somebody mentioning that the US has not totally been the land where milk and honey flows.Let me add to that, that no other "developed" country has such a hardly existent health care system.
(DIR) Post #AhpdPeqmlvB1LZ7QES by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:34:55Z
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@futurebird @incoherentmumblings @tob Arguably you (I mean: the US) never sank this deep. Which doesn't mean it was well.The worst => Frankly, that is/was still Nazi Germany. Though "they are not Nazis" would be pretty weak defense.
(DIR) Post #AhpeMZdHoZvYFXtir2 by martin_piper@mastodon.social
2024-05-13T00:45:33Z
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@futurebird @sidereal @biplanepilot when it's those busybody phobic types from billion moms or whatever then it matters a lot.
(DIR) Post #AhpewJUjIDn6ciwBAu by cam@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:52:00Z
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@futurebird why Florida, a state the democrats have largely abandoned in ground game and funding, with worsening results to match?
(DIR) Post #AhpfMvlnbnqWrTc6rI by Jackiemauro@fosstodon.org
2024-05-13T00:44:28Z
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@incoherentmumblings @futurebird @tob Just because history went one way doesn't mean that’s the only way it could have gone. There are many countries with the standard of living of modern Germany that didn’t first doing the holocaust. Many through, yes, voting. It’s such an arrogant position honestly to say basically you’ve gotta break some eggs to make a leftist omelette.(Edited to add cw)
(DIR) Post #AhpfMwbCWgxlQtf9yi by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:48:54Z
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@Jackiemauro @incoherentmumblings @futurebird In some cases it's not arrogance, it's just straight dishonesty. Hard to tell here. There are lots of accelerationists who want the "gets worse" part, and they're not all that interested in the "gets better" part.
(DIR) Post #AhpfMxO7ao5vscYEEK by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:55:33Z
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@tob I guess here we have two prime examples of people who are still too comfortable to face the facts.You are being owned by the oligarchs. They own your government, they own your banks, they own your judicial system and they own your military. No amount of voting is going to change it, but of course you can pretend otherwise and arrange yourself with the new fascism for a while, as long as you are white and well educated, i guess. That's what most germans did, too.@Jackiemauro @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpfMy5N00go2kmldo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T00:56:47Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @Jackiemauro No one is saying voting alone will change those things. It won't. But what is true? Not voting can create circumstances that make changing those things through other means impossible.
(DIR) Post #Ahpfn8CtzSTixomgZU by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:01:34Z
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@futurebird But changing those things through "other means" is already impossible. Look at how the supposedly less fascist option reacts to having its genocidal foreign policy challenged by some students with banners: The full might of armored and armed pigs combined with a propaganda onslaught that would have made Göbbels jealous.So, again, how does voting or not voting make a difference in circumstances that allow changing those things through other means? @tob @Jackiemauro
(DIR) Post #Ahpg88aJmUpoDTklpg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T01:05:19Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @Jackiemauro >>But changing those things through "other means" is already impossible. >>>So nothing better is possible? Give up? Is that the message?
(DIR) Post #AhpgaffoLtKywmvdUe by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:10:21Z
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@futurebird That depends on what you mean by "other means". The question here was: How does voting or not voting influence chances to achieve change for a better?At this point there seems no legal way for me to change the things that would need to be changed before it can get better, and there is not enough of a critical and aware mass that a revolution would actually make productive sense. @tob @Jackiemauro
(DIR) Post #AhphMLdCAheGggRHoO by sabik@rants.au
2024-05-13T01:19:04Z
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@futurebird @sidereal @biplanepilot AIUI there's often various other local officials with steam-era titles who also have obscure, circumscribed, but very real powers
(DIR) Post #AhpjTyq8za86E8GMWe by bgannin@mastodon.social
2024-05-13T01:42:47Z
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@futurebird @jeff Biden has wallowed in some of the worst approval ratings without a care in the world. He, like Trump, screens out those who challenge them at events. His administration gleefully sent aid to Israel, blocked UN votes, and defended months of genocide without blinking. He’s a career politician - as people dead from Covid or at the southern border can attest due to Biden’s actions or lack thereof.There’s no miserable for him, only all of us.
(DIR) Post #AhpjiIALw4KoDfXWfg by alter_kaker@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T01:41:45Z
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@imstilljeremy yeah it didn't really get better after the Nazis from where I stand, there wasn't anything left to get better @futurebird @incoherentmumblings @tob
(DIR) Post #AhpjiJBo895nOTECZs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T01:45:28Z
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@alter_kaker @imstilljeremy @incoherentmumblings @tob When people treat other humans that way, they don't just bounce back from it. The ideologies that support such actions don't just die and vanish. I don't think there is any advantage to "things getting worse" it only delays progress. If we could erase those events we would know a better world than we do today. What is true is that we have to try to come back anyway. But there is no silver lining to it.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrDoXU83xKRavaK by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:32:57Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird Friend, there were no push-backs in Germany....And as far as Louis XIV goes, you might have heard about the restoration. Or you might be the one who considers the revolution the low point ..."Now it's the US's term to get rid of their oligarchs" => Haha. I'll be back from my cryo chamber in 10 years. We'll see how that went.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrE6cOuWaEW3MlU by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:39:34Z
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@glitzersachen There were actually a lot of pushbacks in germany, before the fascists managed to kill most of the resistance. But i made sure to talk of internal *or external* pushbacks, the nazis followed a political ideology that made sure that they eventually succumbed to external 'pushback' in the form of allied troops, most notably in the form of Georgy Zhukov and the Soviet red army.1/2@tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrEiY7srk89net6 by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:42:03Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird But not after the nazis were established, which sort of was you point: First comes the low point, the the push-backs develop.WRT the actual push-backs before 33: You refer to the Spartacus Bund?
(DIR) Post #AhpjrFESDGO1j6j8cK by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:44:36Z
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@glitzersachen Them among others, sure. But before 33 there was a lot more in german society that fought fascists, even social democrats ;)But after the nazis had seized power, there was still a lot of underground left opposition.@tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrFf2cPeb3ZAN3g by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T00:47:17Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird Generally I think, what we had in D was not actually what one would call wide spread resistance,"there was still a lot of underground left opposition."I'd oppose the idea of "a lot". Also was there did not lead to D liberating itself, so it's not a support for your theory of push-backs.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrFw3b9GTuL7xa4 by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:50:47Z
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@glitzersachen The Theory is that it had to get worse before it got better after the Nazis took power. There was no possible way of incremental small steps towards something better. And worse it got, Germany had to be steamrolled from both sides and bombed for years before it could get better.Wether it was a LOT or just a little bit of internal pushback is beside the point and open to definition anyway. The point stands: It had to get worse before it could get better.@tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrGLE5ZOjAOu3oO by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T01:00:42Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird So, when it was worst, it could get better, right? But before it could get better, even then, it had to get worse (according to your theory). Since, regardless were you stand, it has to get worse before it can get better. So when it was worst (at time t1), we know it got better later (at time t2). But since it had to get worse before that, at time t1 it was not worst, because it had to get even worse than at t1.Your theory has contradictions.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrH6NGH6zWcxiIi by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:04:15Z
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@glitzersachenYou are misrepresenting my "theory".I am not saying it ALWAYS has to get worse to get better, that would indeed be paradoxical. So please, spare me the cheap straw men and engage with my actual argument: In *certain situations* it has to get worse before it can get better.In fact that is so obvious i am astounded that it is even debated. @tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrHpkXZPLnMBx1k by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T01:12:13Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird (b) A theory that cannot identify the actual *certain situation* (provide a recipe to distinguish those situation from those where it doesn't apply) is worthless, because it cannot be falsified (see Karl Popper, The Logic of Scientific Discovery).You sentence "sometimes it has to get worse ..." is just a meaningless phrase of small-talk. It does not help to understand anything.(b) I am taking offense at the "has" which implies a mechanism of necessity.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrIe5WPfqJTk9UO by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:17:50Z
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@glitzersachen You do not need to teach the basics of theory of science to me, thanks. I have given lectures on it myself.It wasn't me who tried to claim it was anything more than a phrase to highlight the fact that there is not always a way of incremental change towards the better without first accepting serious adverse effects.And yes: there is a necessity. When you got cancer, you *have* to do chemo and it *will* make you worse at first. Or i guess you can just give up. @tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrJX2E7ct3tS28O by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T01:25:44Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird " When you got cancer, you *have* to do chemo and it *will* make you worse at first. "Depends on your definition of worse. You life expectation gets *better* from day one. The amount of days you're going to barf gets less from day one.So day zero: No life expectation. Day 1: Good life expectation, (N-1) barfing days, Day 2: Good life expectation, (N-2) barfing days.Arguably it only gets better.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrKSolHqZx6UBCS by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:28:11Z
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@glitzersachen That's not how chemo works.So, let me get that straight - you are saying that there are no situations that can not be bettered by small incremental steps towards something better, without the overall situation ever having to get worse first?@tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrL7EL2AnyROSBs by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-13T01:15:49Z
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@incoherentmumblings @tob @futurebird Your "sometimes it has to get worse" is observationally completely indistinguishable from "sometimes it gets worse, we don't know why, could have gotten better, but it got worse"The latter sentence is also completely not helpful."Sometimes, in history, a war happens". "Some people die in wars". "Some (unspecified) time after some wars, people who didn't die in he war, fare better than they did before the war".
(DIR) Post #AhpjrLRn6acV0D0sEq by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:37:46Z
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@glitzersachen Response here because they blocked me to prevent me from calling out their bullshit:Except i never called it a theory, and i even put the "thesis" in (slightly ironic) quotation marks.But yea, i also have better things to do and in fact i do feel certain 'vibrations' in your responses too.If you believe there are no situations that require things to get worse before they can get better, go ahead and believe so, i don't care. @tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrMNvcR7luWDIrA by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:43:50Z
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@glitzersachen Of course we both know it was never about that, you don't actually doubt that there are situations that require it to get worse before it can get better, you just don't want to admit that the US is run by a one party-two right wings oligarchy and voting won't change things for the better, and you're consciously or unconsciously using all the tricks of the eristic playbook of pseudologics and populism to evade that conclusion.@tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhpjrMwfXGuheGT30S by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T01:46:53Z
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@incoherentmumblings @glitzersachen @tob I absolutely doubt that there is any truth to that idea. Think of all the people who have been lost. All the people we never got to know. All the stunted lives. All the trauma. It makes no sense.
(DIR) Post #AhpjrQxAdLgw4yjVLM by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T00:41:06Z
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@glitzersachen And without the Revolution, and the restauration, and the revolution again france would still be a feudal shithole where only a small percentage of the population can even read and write, yet alone dream of political participation. So a classic case of it had to get worse before it could get better.@tob @futurebird
(DIR) Post #Ahpjye4OGW4AmoY59k by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:48:27Z
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@futurebirdThe advantage to things getting worse is that they can get better afterwards. Again: in certain situations, and it does not necessarily get better. But sometimes it has to get worse before it can get better, idk why that isn't just plain obvious: voting will not change a system that has rigged not only the voting process, but also controls the options that can be voted. @alter_kaker @imstilljeremy @tob
(DIR) Post #AhpkLyaI9ulx4UaydU by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T01:52:40Z
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@futurebird*sigh*I am not saying its great that it sometimes has to get worse before it gets better. I am just saying that it's a fact. If i could change it, i would. But since i am not omnipotent i have to accept certain things in life, and one of them is that there are situations where the first step towards something better is in a direction that is worse at first. If no one ever took that step, we'd still be stuck in feudalism. @glitzersachen @tob
(DIR) Post #AhpmIgEQ8a8hBtvBaK by noodle@aus.social
2024-05-13T02:14:27Z
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@futurebird What are your thoughts on campaigning for preferenial voting? As an outsider looking in, a lot of the issues people have with voting dem could be solved by it, and it seems vaguely plausible to implement under a dem government (but unlikely under republicans). Yet it is rarely mentioned when people yell about why they're not voting democrat.
(DIR) Post #AhpnP8J6lXbDxQkr6e by ljwrites@writeout.ink
2024-05-13T02:26:50Z
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@futurebird Making him regret everything while he serves as a meat shield against overt fascism seems like a richly deserved fate.
(DIR) Post #AhpoUQ0wSVzuHELG0e by dougfir@mastodon.social
2024-05-13T02:39:01Z
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@futurebird I feel like people complaining about stuff President Biden has done or not done don't understand the limits on presidential authority. Don't like the fact that Biden has not forgiven all student loans? Maybe you should have helped elect Gore because we lost the Supreme Court with Bush. Bush also pushed through changes to the bankruptcy laws, so you can't discharge student loans now, no matter how bad your financial situation is.
(DIR) Post #AhpupfRWtD1pw1IFsm by Subumbral@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-05-13T03:49:52Z
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@futurebird My vote won't tip Oregon, but I want to be part of the popular vote anyway.
(DIR) Post #AhpxaVc3SJ1qxvgDpI by joncruz@mstdn.social
2024-05-13T04:20:55Z
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@futurebird saw a good Tok Tok summarizing this in 3 parts with actions to address them1. "voting doesn't work" [we don't know, we've haven't actually tried]2. State Congress and Governor3. US Congress and President.Very good Adam Conover style content and informationhttps://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLq17AK5/
(DIR) Post #Ahq3mtXSvNuoN2p4Ns by mastobit@awscommunity.social
2024-05-13T05:30:22Z
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@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhqIEZTIWgixbFxrf6 by Markovian@mastodon.online
2024-05-13T08:12:17Z
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@futurebird >in the future we shall have them.How? By what mechanism?By voting for Biden you not only endorse genocide, you tell the Democrats yet again that all they need to get your vote is a boogeyman.So you won't get better choices - you'll get more monsters like Biden and more boogeymen like Trump to keep you voting for them.You've been in an iterative prisoner's dilemma for decades and you've taught the democrats they never have to hit 'cooperate' because you always will.
(DIR) Post #AhqTKBXxURdmdE1YjQ by faassen@fosstodon.org
2024-05-13T10:14:18Z
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@futurebirdFirst past the post really sucks. That said, proportional representation doesn't always produce great outcomes. Last Dutch elections were disastrous. Our extreme right is so far mired in coalition negotiation politics, which is better than straight up power, though Weimar shows us, it is not any guarantee.
(DIR) Post #Ahqo72Xtk57bzLZLHs by Red_Shirt_no2@c.im
2024-05-13T14:09:18Z
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@biplanepilot @futurebird Also, petition and advocate for changes to electoral systems such as “single transferable vote” or “ranked-choice voting” that crack open the door to third parties!
(DIR) Post #Ahqo74gTn9AscXbDwO by Red_Shirt_no2@c.im
2024-05-13T14:09:18Z
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@biplanepilot @futurebird Such systems help on many levels! The ability to vote for an actually GOOD candidate without “wasting” a vote - encourages good candidates to run;- increases turn-out;- reduces the likelihood of the “worst” outcome…
(DIR) Post #AhrGVCEiA6uVi3txQG by hallvors@oslo.town
2024-05-13T04:39:21Z
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@incoherentmumblings From outside the U.S., its politics is a scary and sad spectacle. I’m glad I’m not voting in your elections.This statement does not make much sense though. The word “worse” itself implies the alternative is non-worse.And: Naive technological development has given some future US govt an insane surveillance and propaganda apparatus. A fascist government fully taking advantage of that will make effective opposition impossible. No “worse to get better” anymore.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhrGVDcV19X6082T8i by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T07:16:01Z
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@hallvors @futurebird Except i did not say "it has to get worse" to say "Trump has to win". I said it will get worse, no matter who wins the election, before it gets better.It might even be different people who it gets worse for.I am aware of the technical possibilities, but you fool yourself if you think that your vote will prevent them from being used.
(DIR) Post #AhrGVEXDcGu2q2ZlY0 by hallvors@oslo.town
2024-05-13T07:58:41Z
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@incoherentmumblings voting alone is insufficient. Voting, informing, organising, fighting to shape the values that contribute to shaping politics and Overton windows has worked and will work. Vote for the persons who can win and be more easily influenced by such organising. Why is this even hard?@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AhrGVFBdC1EGrNU2XQ by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T15:32:55Z
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@hallvors @futurebird Leave the voting out of that list and you will be just as effective, if not more so because you don't have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of having lent your support to one of the fascists that send their pigs against you to violate you and throw you in jail as soon as you start to do things that *actually* have potential to annoy them.
(DIR) Post #AhrGVFqOkRq4toYb56 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-13T19:26:49Z
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@incoherentmumblings @hallvors I don’t buy that and why do you care? fear for the salvation of my mortal soul?
(DIR) Post #AhrGVFssbDp91ViZwu by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T07:23:05Z
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@hallvors @futurebird And of course, "gets worse" refers to a state other then the one right now. That does not imply that you could stop time and and just remain in the now.
(DIR) Post #AhrJGjAriVxtNqtYR6 by incoherentmumblings@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-13T19:58:36Z
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@futurebird @hallvors Who says i do care? If you're out in the street at this point, learning every day that the cops can get away with any violation of your supposed rights *already*, then you are one of those that will arrange themselves when the current protofascism drops it's mask. In fact, it IS already dropping its mask, and you pretend not to see it.
(DIR) Post #Aht0SERSINpQjNLZHk by kwerle@ruby.social
2024-05-14T15:37:10Z
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@futurebird Meh. It's not even October, yet. Too early to make decisions like this. I remain optimistic that one or both the current likely candidates will die or be imprisoned before then and we'll have better choices.Hope springs eternal!
(DIR) Post #Ahu3Lly3k755heAWC8 by ghast@liberdon.com
2024-05-15T03:44:28Z
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@futurebird Neat, commie traitor.
(DIR) Post #AhvDdndjSRosnjr5l2 by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-05-12T20:12:09Z
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@nuthaven @suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt @futurebird One of the effects of an election system that makes third-party candidates act as spoilers is that it leads to lower-quality third-party candidates. They have to be people who either *want* to be spoilers, or deny that the spoiler effect exists, or believe they can actually win.The first possibility suggests either that they're running a con or are drama addicts; the second implies a disconnection from reality. The third possibility might be true in some extreme circumstances (especially for state or local elections), but usually, it's another disconnect from reality.
(DIR) Post #AhvDdpGPQ8LrpyxUgK by adapples@mstdn.social
2024-05-15T16:02:35Z
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@mattmcirvin @nuthaven @suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt @futurebird I suspect the largest group are people who see their vote as a statement *about them* rather than what it is, a pragmatic transactional exercise of their small quanta of political power.Ironically it does say something "about them," just not what they think.
(DIR) Post #AhvEKsX198VgQOFwcS by Blinxeto@mastodon.social
2024-05-15T17:21:56Z
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@futurebird Amen!!!
(DIR) Post #AhvF7gyctYagmIRilc by lolonurse@ohai.social
2024-05-15T17:30:49Z
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@futurebird This November, I will vote for Joseph R Biden & Kamala Harris, of course!I will vote for Kirsten Gillibrand for Senator, and I will vote for Pat Ryan for Congressman. 💙✊🏼🌊☮️
(DIR) Post #AhvGLrnFZmoaKiRpFg by lolonurse@ohai.social
2024-05-15T17:41:58Z
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@suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt @futurebird Thank you for having the guts and soul to admit that. I was livid when people insisted on voting for Nader -- and my respect and admiration for him plummeted when he ran. I hated & resented his egocentricity & arrogance, compromising the country for his holier-than-thou postulating. I wish our public school systems hadn't discontinued civics, social studies...
(DIR) Post #AhvGLsfUK8CT2vp8nA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-15T17:44:24Z
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@lolonurse @suzannealdrich @PandaChronicle @mfennvt I’m so mad that Dr.West is pissing away his legacy being involved with foolishness. Head got too big on that guy. It’s sad.
(DIR) Post #AhvJwiyJdYUBYCtGHQ by PandaChronicle@ohai.social
2024-05-15T18:24:43Z
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@futurebird @lolonurse @suzannealdrich @mfennvt Very sad.
(DIR) Post #AhxCgvhKFAa91VNu3E by MaggyWells@mastodon.social
2024-05-16T16:10:57Z
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@futurebird I was with you till your last statement. Not helpful.
(DIR) Post #AhzMpyipkx9croxn2O by SanDiegoDana@mendeddrum.org
2024-05-17T17:15:44Z
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@futurebird Cool!Is there anyone down-ballot who you are going to vote for that you would like to promote? (I think we can all gain from encouraging those future better choices!)
(DIR) Post #AjflcCkfesQKCU2ULY by nancylwayne@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T02:03:54Z
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@futurebird I live in Michigan and I'll be voting for Biden-Harris, and Democrats all the way down.
(DIR) Post #AjfmFlnJIx44B18jWS by kateiacy@med-mastodon.com
2024-07-07T02:11:04Z
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@futurebird I live in Iowa, and I'll be voting for Biden-Harris and Democrats all the way down. My district has a chance at unseating our GOP U.S. Congresswoman!
(DIR) Post #Ajfnuw6byKtXz3MSau by noplasticshower@zirk.us
2024-07-07T02:29:42Z
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@futurebird I will vote for Biden in virginia