Post Adh7DB4ZodPe9SeLqq by gnemmi@mastodon.sdf.org
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(DIR) Post #Adfqrs9VAqVexroRVo by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T15:50:15Z
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Received a call from a potential new client today. They need a server to host their website, a small e-commerce platform, and a shared file storage solution. I suggested a FreeBSD-based solution with jails but was asked for alternatives without any explanation. So, I offered Linux options, possibly with Docker services, LXC containers, or separate VMs. Still, they requested other solutions. I started explaining about an OpenBSD-based approach with separate VMs for each service, or even NetBSD. Again, alternatives were requested. At that point, I paused and asked, 'Do you have any specific solution in mind?' The reply was, 'Something based on Windows or, at most, MacOS. I don’t trust this free stuff, it might be okay for universities, but the real world is something else.' I hadn’t heard such a statement in over 20 years. I began to explain... to no avail. I also mentioned that I work with these systems, not Windows or MacOS on servers (???). With an air of superiority, they insisted that’s what they wanted and had no budget limits to get it. I quoted them 50,000 euros. The call ended within the next 30 seconds. 🤣#TechSupport #ITConsulting #OpenSource #Linux #FreeBSD #OpenBSD #NetBSD #Docker #VM #Windows #MacOS #ClientStories #TechWorld
(DIR) Post #Adfr8TQmLAk9DQoGno by mjgardner@social.sdf.org
2024-01-09T15:53:11Z
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@stefano I hope you noted that #macOS wouldn't exist without the free #Unix stuff from universities, specifically Carnegie-Mellon's #Mach microkernel and the #BSD userland.
(DIR) Post #Adfr9HjdJLXBEO128G by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T15:53:16Z
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@paul by the way, I found out their whole internal infrastructure is still based on Windows Server 2003 (!!!)
(DIR) Post #AdfrDgoi00o2BBURRg by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T15:54:12Z
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@mjgardner i didn't waste too much time with that person. People will never listen when they don't want to understand.
(DIR) Post #AdfrVSd7U6KDOMXkNU by mjgardner@social.sdf.org
2024-01-09T15:57:22Z
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@stefano “A fool and his money are soon parted,” and accelerating the process is only justice
(DIR) Post #AdfrmdixUQneisSwq0 by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T16:00:31Z
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@mjgardner true. But I don't think I'll hear anything from person again 😆
(DIR) Post #AdfsrP9JCsCOvBcw2y by joel@piou.foolbazar.eu
2024-01-09T16:12:27Z
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@stefano what if they went ok for 50k? 🤣
(DIR) Post #AdfsxHelybeLQB9Ccq by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T16:13:38Z
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@joel I'd have paid a Microsoft specialist to do the job and kept the change 🤣
(DIR) Post #Adft3eN2RJALbYt7K4 by codehead@mstdn.social
2024-01-09T16:14:39Z
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@stefano you made the right call. I would have explained the number of top performing companies using "the free stuff" and wasted more of my time. "Quote high and walk away" is a better approach.
(DIR) Post #Adft3qDuN4zcMihzl2 by KasTasMykolas@river.group.lt
2024-01-09T16:14:42Z
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@stefano hey, no DOS option? :(
(DIR) Post #AdftNz7izRBFlEQC1Y by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T16:18:28Z
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@KasTasMykolas they didn't propose it. Maybe I could propose OS/2 - but they'd have insisted with Windows, I guess
(DIR) Post #Adftaf7Yfe4hUKO9tA by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T16:20:44Z
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@codehead in the past I lost a lot of time explaining things to people like this. Not a single time it's been worth. So I decided to stop wasting time
(DIR) Post #AdfuX7FKG9bbVrtX8K by carla@hessen.social
2024-01-09T16:31:18Z
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@stefano Well done
(DIR) Post #Adg6Cn7uYLSGltV9oe by fedops@fosstodon.org
2024-01-09T18:42:05Z
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@stefano and that is A Very Good Thing[™].@mjgardner
(DIR) Post #Adg7tVtCcGiTiXYaqO by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T19:01:02Z
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@gaysteve True. But I don't want to deal with client like this and as I have great respect for my colleagues, all I can recommend is to stay away from this client 🙂
(DIR) Post #AdgCOKGyFwleTzcen2 by Anniiii@gts.ferreo.dev
2024-01-09T19:49:59Z
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@gaysteve Yeah but at that point @stefano would have to deal with redhat stuff. Bad client and on top of that also bad tech, I doubt that's in his interest.
(DIR) Post #AdgCOLN2AtDBt5T0sa by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T19:51:22Z
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@Anniiii @gaysteve exactly!
(DIR) Post #AdgFQN6T0EwHhfNOam by datalinkdroid@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-01-09T20:25:22Z
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@stefano Wow. That person seems to think the price tag is /the/ reason for your recommending those libre solutions ("no budget limits"). I always suspected people think like this.
(DIR) Post #AdgG9JyhT9iH2eB2v2 by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T20:33:32Z
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@datalinkdroid yes, there are people that think that your suggestions are purely based on the solutions that make you gain more money.It's hard, sometimes, to explain that I love what I do and I can't do something I wouldn't do for myself.
(DIR) Post #AdgLpO4R8w7LfSjqLY by fluder@mastodon.social
2024-01-09T21:37:07Z
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@stefano I don't think you should have worked with them for any money :)
(DIR) Post #AdgNvG83mZNCgQMQtM by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-09T22:00:37Z
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@fluder exactly
(DIR) Post #Adh7DB4ZodPe9SeLqq by gnemmi@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-01-10T06:28:03Z
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@stefano I remember, not so long ago, having the same conversation in here, but in re "legal affairs". My conclusion is exactly the same. If the client wants "you" (the professional) to do as he says instead of what you know it's the right thing to do: just ask for at least 3 times more money than what you consider more than enough, and have them sign a document releasing you for all personal and professional liability. It works 99% of time, or you get a lot of money and no legal liability.
(DIR) Post #Adh7E6g7diJWoPedmq by defrisselle@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-01-10T06:28:14Z
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@stefano That night they Netflix & Chilled not realizing that Netflix runs on FreeBSD There needs to be education on how the Internet and the various services hosted on it run and the software involved Most don't realize what runs their phones and game systemsThe prospective client didn't know MacOS is BSD based, I'd guess
(DIR) Post #AdhDWCpG7cWKobwRt2 by fredbrooker@witter.cz
2024-01-10T07:38:44Z
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@stefano @paulsome companies live in the past
(DIR) Post #AdhyBAKuUQA85SDohM by antranigv@sigin.fo
2024-01-10T16:21:29Z
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@stefano next time tell them they can pay, point them to me, I will build a FreeBSD with an alternative boot menu and we can split the check. I know, sounds like sarcasm, but I’m being 100% honest. Sounds like a perfect way to make money.
(DIR) Post #Adi1nU95aSb4OJelBg by ianthetechie@fosstodon.org
2024-01-10T17:02:06Z
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@stefano did you tell them that like 95% of the internet runs this “free stuff?” Also like…. Idk… Amazon, Facebook, etc 😂
(DIR) Post #Adi6gnKeLyRjdmh1Um by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-10T17:56:57Z
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@ianthetechie I did. But "they know how the real world is", so it's just been wasted voice.
(DIR) Post #AdiBReE0QmNkp3BLg8 by jbowen@mast.hpc.social
2024-01-10T18:50:13Z
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@stefano IBM AIX is still around if they want to pay for something.
(DIR) Post #AdiH8y5wvi6EfftER6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-10T19:54:06.780426Z
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@stefano @paul can you give me their ip address
(DIR) Post #AdiHhSpFBGh1pHWarg by stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2024-01-10T20:00:15Z
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@chihuamaranian That's the point. This person doesn't even know what an OS is, but wants to dictate my tech choices. Unfortunately, it's quite common - but they don't go far with me, then.