Post AdQLJTmi2KV3JWsCyO by pleaseclap@urbanists.social
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(DIR) Post #AdLTgTo5wnZrt2CTSa by cstross@wandering.shop
2023-12-30T15:07:33Z
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OpenAI have a problem: it's not just training text that ChatGPT can reconstruct when prompted, and DALL-E does the same with images—including movie, TV, and computer game scenes and characters. Reductio ad absurdam: trademark-infringing output from a two word prompt ("animated toys"): https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/things-are-about-to-get-a-lot-worseBeing sued by the NYT is bad enough. Being sued by Disney? That' gonna *hurt* …
(DIR) Post #AdQLJRdQ1tsce8VlDM by exception@mastodon.savvy.ch
2023-12-30T19:38:16Z
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@cstross My greatest hope from AI is that it can finally bust copyright for good, because everyone sees it the concept is broken.
(DIR) Post #AdQLJSktrZSU7d1FVw by notroot@calckey.world
2023-12-30T20:10:02.666Z
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@exception@mastodon.savvy.ch @cstross@wandering.shop I'm confused... as a published writer and artist, copyright protects me. Why would artists bother to work if any schmuck could steal our work and claim it as their own?
(DIR) Post #AdQLJTmi2KV3JWsCyO by pleaseclap@urbanists.social
2023-12-30T21:16:50Z
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@notroot @cstross @exception That's your incentive: you're just saying you wouldn't make art if you couldn't monetize it. Lots of artists make art they can't or don't ever intend to monetizeActually that's the way art existed in society for most of human history
(DIR) Post #AdQLJUZH7lLdk9azfk by cstross@wandering.shop
2023-12-30T21:37:22Z
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@pleaseclap @notroot @exception Some kinds of art *can't* exist without money behind them, b/c they require teams of people making significant time commitments: e.g. theatre, opera, chamber orchestra, movies, TV drama, animation, computer games. (Amateur/individual instances of the last four exist, eg. single author computer games, but most people seem to prefer big budget productions.) Others are intermediate: novels can be done solo but are improved by a production team (editors/proofreaders).
(DIR) Post #AdQLJVZJP6yIqYcXMu by KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social
2023-12-31T16:49:14Z
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@cstross @pleaseclap @notroot @exception Well, there's also the marketing technique of using non-excludable and non-monetizable goods as free advertising for those that are excludable and monetizable. E.g. allowing free reproduction of music as advertising for concert tickets and merchandise, or making money off the support and customization work for free software.
(DIR) Post #AdQLJWTK2rm5eGpGfg by notroot@calckey.world
2023-12-31T17:00:22.999Z
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@KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @pleaseclap@urbanists.social @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch It's not about the money! It's about the CREDIT.It's MY art, or MY novel, because I MADE it. That's what copyright protects. If you want the right to copy MY art, you must deal with ME. And the answer is, "No, you may not copy my work."Maybe you're a publisher, and you offer me money to copy my work? Maybe I accept that money and allow you production rights to make, distribute, and sell copies of my work. But the copyright is still MINE, for the rest of my life unless I choose to transfer it to someone else. But that's MY choice, because it's MY art.
(DIR) Post #AdQLJXJ4wRAuEn2bLM by pleaseclap@urbanists.social
2023-12-31T17:11:23Z
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@notroot @KevinCarson1 @cstross @exception This is deliriously egomaniacal
(DIR) Post #AdQLJY4a5pAkc7GXNw by notroot@calckey.world
2023-12-31T17:19:35.352Z
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@pleaseclap@urbanists.social @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch LOL no, it's my right as the creator of the art! I'm sorry to tell you, but I'm no communist. You can't have my work! This ain't rocket science! You commies are basically saying, "Nice art! We're taking it away from you for the good of the state." What even is the point of all this copyright hate? Why do you want to steal my work?
(DIR) Post #AdQLJYtH3Lip9Kz1Oq by pleaseclap@urbanists.social
2023-12-31T17:21:12Z
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@notroot @KevinCarson1 @cstross @exception You're even cackling like a movie villain.Are you familiar with Homer? Euripides?
(DIR) Post #AdQLJZdiGgrvTMi6me by notroot@calckey.world
2023-12-31T17:23:53.503Z
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@pleaseclap@urbanists.social @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch Nevermind. I'm just gonna block you since you're just doing the usual mindless "leftist" trolling. Not one of you commies will respond to even the most anodyne questions. You just spout bumper-sticker slogans then, when you encounter any pushback, you Gish Gallop.So... I'm done. I'll happily engage in discussion of the pros and cons of copyright with anyone who is actually willing to engage on the topic in an intelligent manner.You, clearly, are not one of them.
(DIR) Post #AdQLJaLJeZkNeb6vkO by KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social
2023-12-31T19:45:36Z
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@notroot @cstross @pleaseclap @exception Yeah, your constant refrain of "you commies," "It's mine! Mine mine mine! You're StEaLiNG!" isn't spouting bumper sticker slogans at all. Simply continuing to beg the question at issue, by asserting that "it's mine and you're stealing it," is not engaging on the topic in an intelligent manner. If anything, your initial argument about incentive was a more intelligent attempt at discussing the pros and cons of copyright than your subsequent efforts, which degenerated into mindless repetitive assertions.