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(DIR) Post #AdF03V1ksg3ucsef20 by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-23T15:02:52Z
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@neonsnake @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern Capitalism is that economic system which holds that individuals have the right to own their own property and labor and that they have the right to exchange what they own freely and voluntarily with others.
(DIR) Post #AdF03WJW67rccFyMM4 by neonsnake@kolektiva.social
2023-12-23T15:07:00Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern so, not quite.Capitalism is an economic system which is based on the right to own property that you don't occupy or use yourself, and then exclude others from using it, unless they work for you.
(DIR) Post #AdF03WwrjpL6aINmgi by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-23T15:09:49Z
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@neonsnake @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern That is part of it; you can own property and your own labor. Part of that is owning property you don't occupy or use. Part of ownership of something is excluding others from using it if they don't satisfy your demands for using it.
(DIR) Post #AdF03XcLFcW4evmuKu by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-23T15:25:34Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @neonsnake @whatzaname @gerrymcgovern >>Part of that is owning property you don't occupy or use. Part of ownership of something is excluding others from using it if they don't satisfy your demands for using it.<<Yes, this is a key distinction of capitalism and why it is not some "natural" default.This key characteristic disproves your assertion that capitalism can exist without state. There has never been, and cannot be, capitalism without state.
(DIR) Post #AdF03YsgYLBSZuRTRw by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-23T15:27:41Z
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@RD4Anarchy @neonsnake @whatzaname @gerrymcgovern Capitalism can exist without a state; it merely requires that people respect the rights of others. Now, in practice, that does require an enforcement mechanism, because not everyone respects the rights of others. But the fact that that enforcement mechanism is usually the state doesn't mean it must be.
(DIR) Post #AdF03ZeXgPSsyKph2m by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-23T17:31:22Z
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@neonsnake @AlexanderKingsbury @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @whatzaname Capitalism has never existed and cannot exist without the state and its violence.
(DIR) Post #AdF03aV0XLQrb3Naoy by gnutelephony@floss.social
2023-12-24T00:04:37Z
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@HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @AlexanderKingsbury @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @whatzaname the invisible hand requires an iron gauntlet.
(DIR) Post #AdF03bQR5pMyTAFSKm by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-24T00:13:34Z
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@whatzaname @AlexanderKingsbury @gnutelephony @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern @neonsnake The fundamental and irresolvable tension in capitalism as an *idea* is that private ownership of the means of production a) is the product of violence and b) precludes voluntary exchange. They are irreconcilable. You can have a private property regime or you can have free trade, but you can’t have both together.If they’re ever faced with a choice between the two, capitalists will always choose property over free markets, and whenever possible, capitalists will work to undermine free markets. Competition? The risk of failure? Capitalists hate those!
(DIR) Post #AdF03c9SORNkinJPVY by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-26T23:29:57Z
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@HeavenlyPossum @whatzaname @gnutelephony @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern @neonsnake Nonsense.Capitalists love competition and the risk of failure; those breed excellence.Capitalism doesn't preclude voluntary exchange; indeed, that's the ONLY form of exchange allowed under capitalism.You can ONLY have free markets with private property.
(DIR) Post #AdF03cspfjg6zWXeEa by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-26T23:34:55Z
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@neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @AlexanderKingsbury @whatzaname > “Capitalists love competition and the risk of failure; those breed excellence.”Capitalists hate competition and the risk of failure because these are costly and injurious. This is why capitalists go to such incredible lengths to block competition. They form cartels; they communicate surreptitiously with each other to set prices; they lobby the state to subsidize them and create barriers to market entry; etc etc etc.> “Capitalism doesn't preclude voluntary exchange; indeed, that's the ONLY form of exchange allowed under capitalism.”Ideologically, sure. Practically, no.> “You can ONLY have free markets with private property.”Again, no. You have it precisely backwards: all extant private property originated in violent (state) expropriation and, once in place, precludes voluntary agreement by non-owners who must gain permission from property owners to be alive, as you agreed with our island thought experiment.
(DIR) Post #AdF03df2mUF7P369Ng by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-26T23:44:16Z
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@HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzanameEVERYONE dislikes competition for their endeavors; capitalists recognize that competition in every endeavor, even their own, breeds excellence.Ideologically, sure. Practically, also sure, IF people aren't too weak to avoid cronyism.Again, yes. You can CLAIM I have it backwards, but I don't. Violence in the past does not make all future action violent. And I "agreed" to no such thing with your absurd hyoperbole.
(DIR) Post #AdF03eOm2Sp3gsUfey by ciggysmokebringer@kolektiva.social
2023-12-26T23:47:08Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname You say all this shit like rent seeking isn't the Capitalist's primary gravy train. Get lost.
(DIR) Post #AdF03fAHBqou4CibhY by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-26T23:51:08Z
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@ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname The capitalist's primary source of profit is voluntary exchange as a result of improving the lot of life of the ordinary person. Hate that all you want.
(DIR) Post #AdF03fv4NsFaPKbydc by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T02:11:20Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname The apparent "voluntariness" of exchanges in capitalism is compromised by systemic inequalities and power imbalances. Capitalism inherently concentrates wealth and resources in the hands of a few, limiting true freedom of choice for the majority. Voluntary exchange is only possible in a society without such hierarchical structures, with equality in resources and decision-making
(DIR) Post #AdF03gxEXJZjcKdDeK by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T02:14:31Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname Common claims. Choices are usually made between people in unequal situations; sorry about reality.
(DIR) Post #AdF03hjRe48k1rBinQ by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T02:16:40Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname You haven't disproven that capitalism operates under involuntary conditions, you've only exclaimed that the rest of the world also operates that way, which isn't a defense, only a mentioning of irrelevant information.
(DIR) Post #AdF03iWMiBGuTa4n32 by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T02:24:47Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname I don't claim to disprove anything; only to assert that involuntary transactions are contrary to capitalism.
(DIR) Post #AdF03jCCCejSZJeCFU by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-27T02:46:10Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @Radical_EgoCom @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @gnutelephony @whatzaname Your assertion has been disproved, starting with Enclosure, and everything that followed.
(DIR) Post #AdF03jvDVGkEowi9QG by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T11:30:36Z
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@RD4Anarchy @Radical_EgoCom @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @gnutelephony @whatzaname You're confusing cronyism with capitalism.
(DIR) Post #AdF03kZd514SqHcQPg by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T13:29:32Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @RD4Anarchy @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @gnutelephony @whatzaname Cronyism and capitalism are intertwined. In a capitalist system, wealth accumulation leads to unequal power dynamics. This concentration of economic power creates opportunities for cronyism, where businesses and political elites collaborate for mutual benefit, undermining the ideal competition that capitalism claims to create, but clearly doesn't.
(DIR) Post #AdF03lGsUDfL0PqxpA by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T14:39:32Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @gnutelephony @whatzaname Capitalism and cronyism CAN be intertwined, if the people allow it.
(DIR) Post #AdF03lxlujyd9RvDgO by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T15:31:44Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @RD4Anarchy @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @gnutelephony @whatzaname Cronyism and capitalism are destined to be intertwined because capitalism inherently creates power imbalances and concentrates wealth in the hands of a few. As wealth accumulates, those with economic power influence political processes to protect their interests, leading to a system where government and business become closely connected.
(DIR) Post #AdF03mpIhinLpSxy7M by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-27T15:36:00Z
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@gnutelephony @gerrymcgovern @AlexanderKingsbury @neonsnake @whatzaname @ciggysmokebringer @RD4Anarchy @Radical_EgoCom A key reason why capitalism and cronyism are two expressions of the same phenomenon is that the state and the capitalist are two expressions of the same phenomenon.Taxes and rents, ownership and sovereignty—we’re talking about differences in scale, not kind.
(DIR) Post #AdF03ng7XL2uTHg9Ro by punissuer@universeodon.com
2023-12-27T16:19:10Z
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@HeavenlyPossum I like to believe that there is a difference between rent that is paid to a private entity, who uses it as they like, and taxes, which are spent on things that we all benefit from (at least in theory)@gnutelephony @gerrymcgovern @AlexanderKingsbury @neonsnake @whatzaname @ciggysmokebringer @RD4Anarchy @Radical_EgoCom
(DIR) Post #AdF03oRcgj2kqbu5UO by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-27T16:21:13Z
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@punissuer @HeavenlyPossum @gnutelephony @gerrymcgovern @neonsnake @whatzaname @ciggysmokebringer @RD4Anarchy @Radical_EgoCom There are a lot of differences. One of the most obvious is that rent paid to a private entity is voluntary; taxes are not. They are taken by force, and spent even on things you may hate, and there's not much you can do about it.
(DIR) Post #AdF03p5KJ6nopkTnNI by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-27T16:40:15Z
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@neonsnake @Radical_EgoCom @whatzaname @punissuer @gerrymcgovern @gnutelephony @AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @RD4Anarchy Rent is no voluntary than any tax, and is equally taken by force and spent even on things you may hate, and there’s not much you can do about it.
(DIR) Post #AdPAL9vLYWSpdtYHAG by stevenroose@x0f.org
2024-01-01T14:38:19Z
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@AlexanderKingsburyThat's not #capitalism. That's just #freedom.Capitalism is the legal framework that legally awards the fruits of labor to the owners of the capital used to perform the labor. You can perfectly abolish capitalism and still get what you call capitalism: free exchange and free labor.In principle capitalism is a market disturbance that can hardly exist without (violent) enforcement from a certralized arbitor like a government. @neonsnake @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern
(DIR) Post #AdPAs9elZStmMxWvNQ by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2024-01-01T14:43:57Z
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@stevenroose @neonsnake @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern Capitalism is not a legal framework; it is an economic one. And so long as there are thieves, fraudsters, etc., there is going to have to be some mechanism to deal with them. That's true under ANY system that still respects the basic human right to own property and oneself.
(DIR) Post #AdPBUMmTDvgC4sM1mi by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2024-01-01T14:51:14.124207Z
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@stevenroose Isn't that describing laissez-faire capitalism? A government isn't necessary to facilitate the free trade of goods and services in exchange for its perceived value. Granted, this makes the assumption everyone involved understands and believes in this process being fair and just.@AlexanderKingsbury @neonsnake @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern
(DIR) Post #AdPEpbjZ7h0UOiode4 by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2024-01-01T15:28:37Z
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@RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern @AlexanderKingsbury @neonsnake @whatzaname @stevenroose If capitalism were just “individuals have the right to own their own property and labor and that they have the right to exchange what they own freely and voluntarily with others”then we could say that humans have enjoyed capitalism since the birth of our species. In which case, capitalist ideologues can’t claim capitalism brought us unparalleled abundance only in the last few centuries.
(DIR) Post #AdPx3wq5qZ6ltMW8hs by ciggysmokebringer@kolektiva.social
2023-12-26T23:53:20Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname You're basically reading us an idealistic headcanon and telling us its how it actually is despite seeing every legal and political maneuver to get indemnified from losses and keeping all the cream.Any easier way to put this to you before you tell us another one of your favorites?
(DIR) Post #AdPx3yM2DIFiaiTA8G by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-26T23:54:15Z
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@ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname No, no, you're mistaken. I'm telling you how it CAN be, how it SHOULD be, not how it IS.
(DIR) Post #AdPx3zSS6uyq0uTnm4 by FrenchPanda@kolektiva.social
2023-12-28T13:38:12Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname Even if it was true I fail to see why we should cling to even the ideal version of capitalism. It sucks. You want to live in a world where a few own the important stuff and decide how things work while the overwhelming minority work for them. Can't you think about something (anything) more ambitious than "it's the same system but this time it works!"
(DIR) Post #AdPx40qwvKAaLAwsb2 by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T14:03:04Z
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@FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname That depends entirely on what you mean by "more ambitious". What ambitions? I aspire to a world where we continue our trend of lifting people out of poverty. Where we keep raising the average standard of living. Where we respect the rights of people to own property and to exchange with others as they see fit.
(DIR) Post #AdPx424SOaZK7MHBI0 by FrenchPanda@kolektiva.social
2023-12-28T16:37:20Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname What mechanism in capitalism raises people out of poverty or improves the standards of living? And why and how is capitalism particularly efficient to reach those goals?Because those two things were done before capitalism and/or in spite of it and poverty has been rising for decades.
(DIR) Post #AdPx42vzBZO2nNJviy by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T16:38:51Z
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@FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname Capitalism is particularly good at these goals because it respects the judgement that individual people have about what constitutes an improvement in their lives, and their right to use their own property and productivity to strive towards those goals.
(DIR) Post #AdPx44IM7ssJ12nJEO by FrenchPanda@kolektiva.social
2023-12-28T16:44:41Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname How so?
(DIR) Post #AdPx45I2QYDO6LeZNI by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T16:47:08Z
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@FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname That's the nature of capitalism. If you think your life will be better if you can buy or build a 10,000 square foot house...okay. Go nuts. If I think my life will be better if I'm living in a van and traveling around...fine. I don't pretend to know what is good for you better than you do.
(DIR) Post #AdPx460Llnf0JmNxRY by FrenchPanda@kolektiva.social
2023-12-28T16:54:21Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname Oh? And what about the other people in that 10,000ft² space? I tell them to fuck off, because I want to improve myself? What it I start dumping wastes in the river and poison the lands of everyone in a 100-mile radius?Okay less extreme case. What if EVERYONE wants a 10,000ft² house and we agree to respect each other's space in harmony... Where do we find the space? What about the wild species there?Are you advocating for society-wide selfishness?
(DIR) Post #AdPx47QySIYEkdqja4 by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T16:56:34Z
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@FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname There are all sorts of possible answers to your objections; perhaps one of the most extreme is private property. If someone owns that river or that land, they can simply bring suit against you for damaging their property. If it's owned in common, society itself brings suit against you.I'm not advocating for selfishness; I'm advocating for people to grasp that we already are selfish.
(DIR) Post #AdPx49VejrU7Bk3V9k by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T19:34:08Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury There's something i don't understand.You advocate «for people to grasp that we already are selfish».What difference would that make? (If it makes no difference, then it's hardly worth advocating, so you presumably believe that it does make a difference.)@FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AdPx4AnlvzZPCDXU24 by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T19:36:35Z
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@magitweeter @FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname Among other things, it would result in people, at least some of them, realizing that an economic or social system that revolves around people not being selfish is not a sound proposal. One of the good things about capitalism is that it doesn't require people to be selfless in order to work; it doesn't fight against human nature, but instead works with it.
(DIR) Post #AdPx4BYv6hHfYRb8WO by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T19:44:19Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury I'm not aware of many economic or social systems that revolve around people not being selfish. If not requiring people to be selfless in order to work is a good feature of capitalism, it is also a good feature of many alternatives to capitalism.@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AdPx4CrOHVeXa1FOwy by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T19:45:18Z
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@magitweeter @FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy Okay.
(DIR) Post #AdPx4DvKKMOasW63iy by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T19:54:12Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury Presumably you believe capitalism to be superior to the alternatives, at least those alternatives in common currency. It's odd then to focus on a feature that does not actually distinguish capitalism versus the alternatives.@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AdPx4EqksqKhkcxvEm by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T19:54:58Z
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@magitweeter @FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy No, I do regard it as a distinguishing feature. I just acknowledge that you do not.
(DIR) Post #AdPx4G5gGprlbCxM8m by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T20:01:38Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury One thing that capitalism does require from people, that many alternatives don't, is that they accept the primacy of private property—including large-scale absentee-ownership arrangements.Would you say acknowledging the primacy of private property is a natural human drive?Or does capitalism fight against human nature in this sense?@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AdPx4GvRAPGaBjAgoS by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T20:05:05Z
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@magitweeter @FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy I would say that acknowledging one's own right to own property is perfectly natural; fortunately, most people can be taught that others have the same right.
(DIR) Post #AdPx4HkU6c6Ek33SNc by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T20:11:48Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury Is it really? I find it very natural to say that i own my computer and my clothes and my house. I don't find it natural to say that i could own a manufacturing plant three hundred miles away, or pieces of a company that i've never set foot into. Such forms of property are hardly natural but capitalism requires us to act as if they are.@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AdPx4IdQoK3HUSlL1c by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T20:13:56Z
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@magitweeter @FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy Now you're just getting into different degrees or types of property ownership. You acknowledge that you could own your clothes (and so do I). What is the actual, relevant difference between that and owning, say, part of a company? What rule or rules do you use to decide what kind of property ownership is valid and what kind is not?
(DIR) Post #AdPx4JTtfG1G7BJEno by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-28T20:33:37Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @magitweeter @RD4Anarchy @neonsnake @FrenchPanda People tend to group the things we actually possess and use under a rubric we might call “personal property.” It’s a fairly universal category (though there are exceptions), usually governed by custom.Things that we own but that other people possess and use is usually (rentier) private property. This is fairly rare historically, and always governed by coercive states and law.
(DIR) Post #AdPx4KDGwYJcNuXTWq by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-28T21:02:15Z
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@neonsnake @RD4Anarchy @FrenchPanda @AlexanderKingsbury @magitweeter “Owning a company” is a particularly interesting example because it’s shorthand for “owning the labor of other people working cooperatively towards some common goal.” In the absence of coercion, a person proposing to start a cooperative endeavor would be just one of many equal partners contributing to the start and operation of that endeavor—ideas, resources, labor, all of which are critical and without which the endeavor can’t succeed. People might choose lots of different kinds of arrangement, but “equal partnership” seems to me the most likely.
(DIR) Post #AdPx4L8hV2FjG1PL2e by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T21:26:03Z
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@HeavenlyPossum Indeed. And you know what feels more natural to me than owning a company?Owning your job.This is so true that jobs have ended up in people's surnames. What you do is basically part of your identity.Capitalism requires that you leave your relationship to your job up to a third party. That's not natural.@neonsnake @RD4Anarchy @FrenchPanda @AlexanderKingsbury
(DIR) Post #AdPx4MBDd9rSU7arbc by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T22:50:52Z
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@magitweeter @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy @FrenchPanda So no one is self employed?
(DIR) Post #AdPx4Muwt8ROlwzNsu by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-28T23:00:24Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury Yeah, that was misworded. I will clarify.Capitalism is distribution-agnostic. If through the workings of the market everyone becomes capable of self-employment, that's fine. If instead all productive property becomes concentrated in the hands of a small hereditary caste of rentier-owners and self-employment becomes impossible, that's also fine.Capitalism requires that we accept that as a legitimate possible outcome.@HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @RD4Anarchy @FrenchPanda
(DIR) Post #AdPx4NllikgxPlhZDM by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-29T01:19:26Z
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@neonsnake @magitweeter @RD4Anarchy @AlexanderKingsbury @FrenchPanda Theoretically, there’s no reason why one person couldn’t come to own the entire earth through purely voluntary transactions of property originating in purely just appropriation through initial homesteading.That global owner could then demand the world slave for him, or else be evicted into the ocean. This would somehow be freedom, according to a propertarian ideologue.
(DIR) Post #AdPxPfcsWdtwsRh6cS by neonsnake@kolektiva.social
2023-12-23T15:22:19Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern the "capitalism" bit, the bit that defines it as "capitalism" and not any other form of economics is *specifically* the absentee-ownership part.Me owning my own tools and exchanging my own labour for money (or goods) *isn't* capitalism, and doesn't make me a capitalist, for example. That's just *exchange*, which has always existed before, during and will exist after the (hopeful) passing of "capitalism" as the dominant economic system.
(DIR) Post #AdPy17vyEwrhO4U8ki by stevenroose@x0f.org
2024-01-01T23:54:58Z
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@AlexanderKingsburyThis is not even through if you follow the capitalists' textbook. They argue competition drives margins down, literally meaning that from competition, capetalists would earn less. The way to make money in capitalism is by blocking or eliminating your competition. Monopolies are the way to win capitalism. And who can grant you a monopoly? Government, lobbying, regulation,.. @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AdPyHUDPAPJP7mRNho by stevenroose@x0f.org
2024-01-01T23:57:55Z
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@AlexanderKingsburyWhat you're talking about literally has nothing to do with "capitalism".Capitalism, capital-ism, is a system in which capital prevails and owns production. It's not about exchange, trade, freedom, decision, whatever. Then it'd be called tradism. It's called capitalism because the role it gives to capital in the world it what makes it what it is. @FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AdPyhzSnborrZJHNJ2 by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2024-01-01T15:31:53Z
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@AlexanderKingsbury @stevenroose @neonsnake @whatzaname @gerrymcgovern The division between "economic"and "legal" spheres is entirely in your mind. The map is not the territory.This compartmentalization is a symptom of a deadly disorder that was intentionally spread throughout the world by powerful white men to serve their own agenda of control, exploitation and pillage.This is not the first time you've been told this and I've not yet seen you counter it with any explanation of how these things somehow can exist as distinct, separate phenomena.
(DIR) Post #AdPyiBRp3HDUjkulRw by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2024-01-01T15:33:42Z
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@neonsnake @stevenroose @AlexanderKingsbury @RD4Anarchy @gerrymcgovern @whatzaname “Capitalism is not a legal framework” friend wait until you find out what happens if workers try to keep the product of their own labor
(DIR) Post #AdPzrFEMSMPv1uVEAq by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-01-02T00:15:35.533393Z
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Economic: How things are made, sold, bought, etc. Can be voluntary or controlled or somewhere in between.Legal: How governments control societies.How about that?
(DIR) Post #AdQ4Tbbc7A8JFHvUI4 by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2024-01-02T01:07:19Z
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@stevenroose @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname No, no, from competition, the ESTABLISHED businesses earn less. The newcomers, the innovators, the inventors....they earn more. IF they are allowed to compete and not kept out by things like government action.
(DIR) Post #AdQ4WwBC4szlvI9oLg by AlexanderKingsbury@mastodon.social
2024-01-02T01:07:55Z
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@stevenroose @FrenchPanda @ciggysmokebringer @HeavenlyPossum @neonsnake @gerrymcgovern @RD4Anarchy @gnutelephony @whatzaname It's called capitalism because it holds that capital should be privately owned and directed.
(DIR) Post #Adc2EcAbO0rTGepSC0 by gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green
2023-12-22T14:58:47Z
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Because of the explosive growth of data centers, Dominion Energy utility in Virginia, USA, predicts that in 25 years, its carbon emissions will be 65% higher than it was expecting just two years ago.https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-data-centers-land-grab-google-meta-openai-amazon-2023-12