Post AdJDf6nI2KAodnECZM by rogersm@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AdJ3W9okQWC1s10FTk by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-12-29T15:52:37Z
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"Generative AI Will Be A Huge Boon For The Public Domain, Unless Copyright Blocks It"...status of generative AI creations as being outside the copyright system means that many of them, perhaps most, are available for anyone to use in any way....without the shackles of copyright, these creations can form the basis of collaborative works among artists willing to embrace that approach, and to work with this new technology in new ways.That’s a really exciting possibilityhttps://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/28/generative-ai-will-be-a-huge-boon-for-the-public-domain-unless-copyright-blocks-it/
(DIR) Post #AdJDf6nI2KAodnECZM by rogersm@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T17:45:55Z
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@brewsterkahle do you share this point of view?
(DIR) Post #AdJF9po7LHn4tApXWK by despens@post.lurk.org
2023-12-29T17:59:07Z
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@brewsterkahle This article makes some weird statements and conclusions. For instance, comparing "prompts" sent into some opaque image generator doesn't create some new kind of ownership and collaboration, it is for all practical purposes more like sharing queries to Google Maps. How does that change the supply chain of creating and maintaining maps? Also again there is a failure to suggest what artists should get out of using image generators to create public domain material, apart from "working with new technology." I'm not saying none of these issues can be addressed, but that article is taking the present state of ChatGPT and DALL-E as a starting point. Maybe for once the enforcement of copyright is not the issue here?
(DIR) Post #AdJUzvcmSSUjIjpGV6 by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-12-29T21:00:45Z
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@rogersm The comment about prompts in the Midjourney community on Discord as being 'open source' is important. Open source prompts make them building blocks in the same way that "view source" was important for early web development, and FOSS is important for software development.These new tools are being explored so rapidly largely because the experiments are so openly visible.This was not always the way.
(DIR) Post #AdJhFeMnaYUNrPc6cq by rogersm@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T23:17:58Z
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@brewsterkahle doesn’t open source requires copyright to exist? I understand that the content generated by generative AI cannot be copyrighted (so it may be Public Domain) but that doesn’t mean it’s remotely related to open/free source, specially considering it was never intended for artistic works.Also, do artists want that their works to be public domain? Sorry if I’m somewhat obtuse, but I find extremely difficult to follow the thesis of the article.
(DIR) Post #AdJq1vW7vTdgaKVXe4 by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-12-30T00:56:25Z
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cc: @glynmoody
(DIR) Post #AdJqdve3tlsdzCL96m by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-12-30T01:03:01Z
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@rogersm on "open source" I like Lawrence Lessig's line: "some rights reserved", so public domain is "no rights reserved"-- open.the 'open source' aspect in @glynmoody 's piece was referring to the 'source' (prompt) that caused the publicly accessible model to generate the output-- that source would be open for others to use to create new things.Will some want to keep their prompts secret? sure, but that is not how the free service using the discord group works-- we all learn this way.
(DIR) Post #AdKZBVMOWmUIIGtfaS by rogersm@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T09:22:19Z
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@brewsterkahle @glynmoody thanks for clarifying he open source was for the prompts, specially because you did not write the article.
(DIR) Post #AdKbs4BTdwsSMwDGoi by glynmoody@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T09:51:54Z
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@brewsterkahle thanks for that
(DIR) Post #AdL4pbK6sCxewzQZHM by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-12-30T15:16:52Z
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@glynmoody great to see your writings on techdirt.
(DIR) Post #AdL5B7VaPAmSqt3ZNA by glynmoody@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T15:18:05Z
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@brewsterkahle thanks - yes, @mmasnick has been very supportive in many ways, as usual...
(DIR) Post #AdLL7LgNMYyOv7KKbA by admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com
2023-12-30T18:19:16Z
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@brewsterkahle The lack of copyright over AI generated works could make the inequalities in copyright even worse though...The AI generated work isn't copyrightable, but if you throw it into Photoshop and make a few edits then that final work probably is. Large corporations will make that part of their standard process. They've got the budget for it, and they'll probably want to do that anyway to make sure the results are "perfect". They might use customized/proprietary AI engines as well, so the odds of us normals getting the same output with the free ones we're using is small.Small independent creators won't have legal departments to explain that to them; they won't have teams of graphic design folks on staff; they won't have days to spend tweaking each individual graphic...so we could end up in a situation where most corporate works are still covered by copyright but most independent works are not.
(DIR) Post #AdLSAqWfqLPf7yP5s0 by wtrmt@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T19:38:06Z
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@brewsterkahle "Generative AI Will Be A Huge Boon For The Public Domain, Unless All The People Whose Work Was Stolen Decide That It Doesn’t Make Sense To Lose Their Livelihoods" there: corrected.
(DIR) Post #AdLWp4WXcPLdwPmJdo by jann@twit.social
2023-12-30T20:23:08Z
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@brewsterkahle It may be a boon to those, BUT it's a bane to artists who don't want AI trained on their material.There's no middle ground. If an artist who holds copyright to their material says no, it's no.
(DIR) Post #AdLgPnkzorCaF380vY by mcnulla@techhub.social
2023-12-30T22:18:02Z
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@brewsterkahle Seems like people can read free books by skipping AI and going to a library.
(DIR) Post #AdLle5fsUzk1dXMpMW by AaronPound@wandering.shop
2023-12-30T23:13:59Z
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@brewsterkahle You may as well say "The public domains would get a huge boon if you ignored the existence of copyright".
(DIR) Post #AdM2080E7cGwUkPoci by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-12-31T02:15:50Z
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@despens Interesting comparison between a prompt and a google map query-- seems according to this article neither results ( output of the public LLM or maps.google.com ) result in a copyrighted work of the person doing the query. (other questions abound, but I dont think that was what was being addressed.)and I like your concluding line "Maybe for once the enforcement of copyright is not the issue here?"