Post AdCkLPh7SZRBiTbRHE by XraySonoCol@med-mastodon.com
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(DIR) Post #AdA5HjJa5KwUyMnXZg by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-25T06:56:56Z
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Well said...
(DIR) Post #AdA5Hjwvj2PywPCxuK by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-25T08:00:54Z
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@lednabwmIt's actually freedom of religion. I know all y'all want to revise it as freedom from religion but sorry.
(DIR) Post #AdAtu3CVaqwJMNxLTE by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-25T17:27:54Z
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@chris Well... freedom of religion is logically accompanied by freedom from it.... FFS.
(DIR) Post #AdBO2NXaqnWtNwhoP2 by PetraPanda@mastodon.au
2023-12-25T07:18:23Z
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@lednabwm A country where just about everyone says God bless as a means of being polite and wishing people safety, I'm afraid, IS a theocracy. The yard stick you use in the USA is not quite the same, but it's the christian's version of allāhu ʾakbar. Stop pretending the USA is a liberal nation. It's a christo-capitalist dumsterfire inhabited by gun toting religious zealots ready to start a civil war because they're too uneducated to understand they've been fed shite for 100++ years and now they can chose between a conservative octogenerian with some pretty incredulous world views (especially when it comes to the slaughter of children) and an orange fascist crybaby who stopped concealing his real ambitions, because he doesn't have to anymore.Mass shootings are normalised. Gun ownership is almost compulsory. Repression is routinely meted out to women, academics, people of colour, people with sexual diversity (but lezzo porn is still the most searched porn tag in Texas), the poor, migrant workers, without whom the USA would be bankrupt in a fortnight ... the list goes on. Religion is as bad for people in the Americas, as it is for Persians on Iran, Afghans, Israelis, Yemeni, people in the Sahel etc. Religion and capitalism are the two single most destructive powers.
(DIR) Post #AdBO2OXz6pR8VRtdeS by bhawthorne@infosec.exchange
2023-12-25T18:35:12Z
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@PetraPanda @lednabwm I don’t know which of the 50 States you are talking about, but I have never heard anyone here in Massachusetts say “God bless.” Seriously, not once in 60 years of living here. Okay, minus the four years I spent in Connecticut, where I also never heard it said. I also spent a year in England where I attended a state school that had mandatory prayers and religious songs at the start of every school day, and a year in a Gymnasium in Germany, where everyone was assumed to be Christian, we had a religion class, and we took school field trips to religious sites. Massachusetts schools did none of these things.I am not saying that every one of the 50 States is like the New England states, but I think you don’t quite understand that each state here has a unique culture, just like the European countries. Sure, there are places like what you describe, just like there are similar places around the world.Please don’t tar all of us with the same brush you might use to paint Texas or Florida.
(DIR) Post #AdBO2PaVEx2rjY5ADQ by Onceoday@mstdn.social
2023-12-25T20:30:01Z
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@bhawthorne @PetraPanda @lednabwm I can confirm that "God bless" is not commonly used in the northwest- WA, OR or ID. Or Alaska. The only person I've ever known to use that expression was a Unitarian. And he's no longer living.
(DIR) Post #AdBO2QaBXcNwoqwQMK by IdahoLark@syringa.social
2023-12-25T23:05:46Z
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@Onceoday @bhawthorne @PetraPanda @lednabwm I've never heard that phrase in Alaska or Idaho. The closest is occasionally someone says "Bless you" after a sneeze, but no god is involved.
(DIR) Post #AdBV4EE79PXekwQKH2 by the5thColumnist@mstdn.ca
2023-12-26T00:24:36Z
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@IdahoLark @Onceoday @bhawthorne @PetraPanda @lednabwm For the past 70 years or so in Ontario Canada god bless you, often shortened to bless you, is commonly used but i can assure you 99% of the time the speaker is not thinking about any god.
(DIR) Post #AdBhDVUvVO5yNUThyq by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T02:40:37Z
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@gmeFor now, yes, inshallah. @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdBhVI20JPLLpCQgXA by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T02:43:48Z
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@504DRThat only works if you also call your gender, your beliefs, your sexuality, your culture, etc, equally just hobbies as well that have no authority on secular society. I'm also sure you find my saying that thoroughly offensive. Also, the USA isn't quite a secular society or people wouldn't be having such kittens over christofascists et al. @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdBhqKp18FMaYpOEyG by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T02:47:39Z
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@504DRYou because you really really super duper want something to happen and really truly want your way and are willing to screech and wail and hold your breath and even protest, riot, march, and pitch a fit over something doesn't mean it's going to go your way; and, even if it does, passions are fickle, there's a pendulum of cultural mores, and things are trendy and unintended consequences are a bitch. I would never guess that leftists could out antisemitic the Right. Crazy AF. @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdBiNa3pUkp1NbAfhI by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T02:53:39Z
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@504DRFreedom of belief also means that it doesn't belong as a basis for passing laws and forcing one beliefs onto all of society. I mean, what your saying is leftist, progressive, humanist, gender, etc, culture hobbies shouldn't be forced onto society either since they're all just hobbies, right? I mean, that's what you're saying, right? Parity? Equity? Balance? You sound exactly like a libertarian: live and let live. In that case, we agree. No pro-hobby legislation!@lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdBkrsPY2890t6u5dw by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T03:21:32Z
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@504DR"Inclusive for all" is never "inclusive for all." It proudly "discludes" 70% of "traditional" American culture and surely "discludes" people that are called christofascists (super unfriendly) or so called extremist MAGA republicans, mainstream, capitalists, patriarchal, etc etc etc. I feel like so-called inclusiveness has an exclusion list a thousand long. More excluded than genders. So much hate and exclusion. Through stick not carrot at all. Might work. Who knows. We'll see.@lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCcQte4jOiyQEHaHw by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:21:35Z
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@504DRBeing blind as to how evil that is, just with a new coat of paint on it, being your own brand of cultural engineering, feels a lot, in spirit, are extremely Nazi:> Historical Revisionism: The regime attempted to rewrite history to suit their narrative, which included altering or destroying historical artifacts and promoting a distorted view of the past.> International Cultural Exchange: Despite their insular ideology, the Nazis engaged in ... @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCcQxxMhcWznDL2uW by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:21:35Z
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international cultural exchange to promote their views abroad, albeit in a highly controlled manner.> Under Adolf Hitler, the Nazi party sought to align German culture with their ideologies, which involved stringent control over various forms of artistic expression, including literature, music, theater, and visual arts.It feels the same. Just change it from racial purity and anti degeneracy to anti whiteness and pro-love is love and it's shockingly similar... @lednabwm @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdOCvwf4pNKRvH8a by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:28Z
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@lednabwm...Indoctrination and Education: The Nazis revised educational curricula to align with their ideology. Teachers who didn't comply with the new ideology were dismissed.Control of Media and Communication: exerted tight control over the media, including @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdQ3SUrObQWQ1shc by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:29Z
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newspapers, radio, and later television, using these platforms for propaganda. They eliminated or took over independent media outlets, ensuring that all information disseminated to the public supported objectives.Suppression of Dissent: Political opponents were persecuted, imprisoned, or murdered.... @lednabwm @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdQFpcrEEYtcwWQ4 by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:29Z
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opposition or dissent.Racial Policies: are anti whiteness and anti Israel racial policies? Time will tell. @lednabwm @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdQMjVCOUkIf8ELY by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:29Z
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Social and Cultural Uniformity: The regime sought to create a homogeneous society. @lednabwm @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdQT7pQrWE7qYk64 by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:29Z
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Foreign Policy and Expansionism: Culturally sought to spread their ideology beyond their borders, leading to aggressive foreign policies. @lednabwm @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdQZBwsSNawMX7Ls by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:29Z
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This expansionism also included exporting their racial and political policies to occupied territories.Economic and Labor Policies: The regime implemented policies to control the economy and labor, including the conscription of workers for military and state purposes, and the integration of the economy into the war effort.These aspects of Nazi cultural engineering were interconnected, creating a totalitarian state where all facets of life were subjugated to the will of the @lednabwm @504DR
(DIR) Post #AdCdQeFK5L38cH9No0 by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T13:32:29Z
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regime and its ideology.I mean, I love the book "It can't happen here" and love the mind experiments that the next Nazi regime will not be a towheaded world of closeted artisanAryan muscly model men in Hugo Boss drag goose-stepping up and down die Straßen. I mean, love is love and I'm sure Jan 6 was a legit insurrection and I'm sure Trump is literally the baby of Voldemort and Putin and Hitler and Mussolini and the orange face of white supremacy... Walks like a duck.@504DR @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCgO4Zk2KQTGkAGSe by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T14:05:58Z
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@lednabwmI guess it all depends on how aggressively anti religion you are. If you're happy to be free from it, you'll need to have simple choices to not have it in your sphere; however, if you insist on dejesusing or demohammeding (peace be upon him) or deganeshing Christian, Muslim, and Hindu towns, cities, States, regions with secularism or anti-religion-radical-atheism then expect an aggressive fight... Don't be surprised when cults fight back.
(DIR) Post #AdCimeRQXVNtMb7hRo by Rana@mastodon.nl
2023-12-26T14:32:55Z
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@chris @504DR @lednabwm Actually yesNothing I am has the right to restrict another personAs much as I joke about it with international friends sometimes, I don't want them to be forced to adopt the metric systemI don't want them to be restricted by what I identify with, by how I live my life, by anything that applies to meBecause they are them and I am meWe are separate entitiesIf I forced them to become part of my culture, our dynamic would no longer be friends
(DIR) Post #AdCk85wpZ9D6i0bK5Y by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T14:47:57Z
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@chris No, it doesn't... Education will do the work. The planet and humanity need artists, scientists, engineers, and teachers. If they want to associate themselves with a religion, it's not my business. They should be prevented from exerting the force of their beliefs on society; that's all. Science will do the rest. Science is more beautiful, wondrous, challenging, and ritualistic in its practice.
(DIR) Post #AdCkLPh7SZRBiTbRHE by XraySonoCol@med-mastodon.com
2023-12-26T14:50:23Z
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@chris @lednabwm personally I'm for secular humanism, after all, logically there are incompatible religious positions between religions, so they can't all have equal pegging, so best none have any pegging on how observants of a particular faith influence others.Max benefit, to maximum numbers of people.
(DIR) Post #AdCkOcKevgiJmRcoOe by MaryMarasKittenBakery@troet.cafe
2023-12-26T14:50:54Z
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@chris @504DR @lednabwm Seriously, half of the time I don't even know what you are trying to say, if anything.Seems like a random string of complicated buzz words.Maybe get off chat GPT for a bit?
(DIR) Post #AdCooi7oPjyV5mJVjM by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T15:40:28Z
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@XraySonoColAs long as you shit on native American, indigenous, Arabic, Indian, pagan, animists, Black Church, and Judaism with as much condescension and staying disbelief and anti belief as you do about Christianity and their sky Daddy. I feel like people have screeds about Christianity but they consider all the other spiritualities to remain sacred and protected and fought for and defended and that's such colonizer condescending bullshit, IMHO. Shit on all or shit on none. @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCp0QZvTfq89D3DLU by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T15:42:38Z
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@lednabwmYou really can't see it, can you:> "They should be prevented from exerting the force of their beliefs on society"Who the fuck are you to make that so? It's so much like the inquisition Spanish, it's so much like the marauding Moors:> Christians should be prevented from exerting the force of their beliefs on society> Muslims should be prevented from exerting the force of their beliefs on society> Jews should be prevented from exerting the force of their beliefs on society
(DIR) Post #AdCqh7XYElmLVWrTJw by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T16:01:27Z
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@chris @XraySonoCol It's not that simple.... the truth is:
(DIR) Post #AdCqqUVAEi5bKNDGlM by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T16:03:13Z
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@chris You missed the word "secular" in front of society. It makes all the difference in the world.
(DIR) Post #AdCr55pgEnEfA4lvt2 by bytebro@mastodonapp.uk
2023-12-26T16:05:45Z
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@chris @XraySonoCol @lednabwm Possibly only contributing so that I am able to mute the thread, which has gone one for too long, and is deeply tedious. Anyway.... Don't "shit on" *anyone's* beliefs or traditions. Everyone is perfectly entitled to believe in whatever magical sky-daddy/mummy they wish, as long as no-one else is ever required to agree with them.
(DIR) Post #AdCrvbYDYRvQandxiK by the5thColumnist@mstdn.ca
2023-12-26T16:15:13Z
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@chris @XraySonoCol @lednabwm \I think people feel more comfortable in criticizing the mythology they were brought up with once they learn it is all bunk, than criticizing that of others that they are not as familiar with.
(DIR) Post #AdCs0evmPnkgWW4hOa by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:16:19Z
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@the5thColumnistMakes sense. And the religion they have felt persecuted by. @XraySonoCol @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCs49HY1jVXWZv8JU by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:16:55Z
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@bytebroYeah, man, the tedium flows both ways. @XraySonoCol @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCsLr42V17AEe2qhM by bytebro@mastodonapp.uk
2023-12-26T16:20:06Z
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@chris @XraySonoCol @lednabwm Thx. Now, finally, muted. :)
(DIR) Post #AdCsOjfmR74IBF4VEm by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:20:21Z
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@lednabwmYeah, that kind of secularism has been popular for hundreds of years in America (freedom of/from religion) as America was founded by Masons, Jewish merchants, and Puritans tired of European religious prosecution. Secularism has become radicalized for sur. It's oftentimes no longer benevolent. It's not your intentions it's how it feels to the intended. Who knows. I can't wait to see how it all shakes out. Populism will get nasty: left and right.
(DIR) Post #AdCsdpShCAkyTi9GnA by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:23:22Z
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@lednabwmYeah: protesting, public drug use, living rough on the street, looting, marching, protesting, blocking traffic, being "illegal" as a migrant, being told how you need to live, what is permissive to say and to whom, etc, are pretty antisocial now matter how righteous it feels, nobody like the vanguards of revolution because nobody like self righteous assholes no matter how just their cause. @XraySonoCol
(DIR) Post #AdCszMz7kiviWsaWBM by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:27:15Z
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@lednabwmIs that "education" or "approved education?" Madrasas educate; Yeshivas educate; monasteries educate; Bible schools and colleges educate. You mean secular humanist cultural engineering and programming of scientism and stem. I'm being hyperbolic and bombastic for effect in case my vibe isn't clear.
(DIR) Post #AdCtBIygTcGzZo4cEa by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T16:29:24Z
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@chris @XraySonoCol The problem with most revolution is that there usually is poor to none of a replacement plan, making it a perfect opportunity for authoritarians and authoritarianism to take charge...
(DIR) Post #AdCtlPi6vEOGsmXUki by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T16:35:50Z
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@chris No.... it's not education to lie to people about the nature of reality. As for what is approved, it's pretty obvious what should and shouldn't be.
(DIR) Post #AdCuAkt5K7d5nkkwT2 by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:40:31Z
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@lednabwmTruth@XraySonoCol
(DIR) Post #AdCuH3tzXZgEVnBgfI by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:41:39Z
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@lednabwmThat's why they're called useful idiots. > "The term "useful idiots" is often attributed to Vladimir Lenin, although there's no concrete evidence that he actually used this phrase. It's commonly used in political discourse to describe naive or unwitting individuals who are manipulated to serve the goals of a political leader or movement, often without realizing how they are being exploited."@XraySonoCol
(DIR) Post #AdCuSkeouxKKIgfJAm by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T16:43:48Z
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@lednabwmThat's also popularly called Ethic Cleansing, a war crime and a crime against humanity. How do you like them apples? Boom ;)
(DIR) Post #AdCv1CowiIbHUdpYVU by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T16:49:54Z
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@chris No... ethnic-cleansing is a label. Assisting the people who want to die is called mercy.... the difference is palpable...
(DIR) Post #AdCxoL66veHlGGPpVw by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T17:21:18Z
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@lednabwmAre you talking about the true nature of reality—and, which one; also, under who's authority are you—or anyone—to define the nature is reality? The Catholics were pretty confident. The Muslims are pretty confident. Rome is still pretty confidentScience is pretty confident. Mysticism is pretty confident. Humanism is pretty confident. Animist paganism is still seeing the world through their own eyes. Science is the only way? Heard that before. So many absolutes & hubris
(DIR) Post #AdCyO7uTRCT4ml2Mwy by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T17:27:46Z
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@lednabwmI want everyone to die so I'm in! It's always keeping people alive that's resulted in a population of 8BThat's why I agree with the that the 26,328 who took their life by firearms was not an anti gun statistic, it's mercy statistics. The yearly actual 703,000 suicides globally is just Mercy writ large. How can we make it every easier, simpler, and as frictionless as possible?Surely it's not eugenics because it's 💯 opt in not mandatory. Self castration and hysterectomy FTW!???
(DIR) Post #AdCyYg9IzYvXs90Rrk by rgulick@social.coop
2023-12-26T17:29:11Z
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@chris @lednabwm FWIW: Of all the listed, science is the only one that is committed to changing its view of reality in response to new evidence.
(DIR) Post #AdCya2CkTXaoZ9GNtY by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T17:29:45Z
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@lednabwmMy new slogan: "ethic cleansing is just a label" 🏷️🏷️🏷️
(DIR) Post #AdCymvLZHeOp3sXD4S by lednabwm@mstdn.party
2023-12-26T17:32:12Z
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@chris The nature of reality is the club that hits you over the head. Only, it's not made of a substance. It's made of truth. Now, I'm going to probably have to mute you because when i say truth, you're going to say who's truth. You seem to be only here to be a reply guy. That's not helpful.
(DIR) Post #AdCzA1OEyvPGSqnZ32 by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T17:36:22Z
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@rgulickThat's what it says it does. Jesus and Christianity is always talking about Mercy and turning the other cheek: religions, including science, have this sacred gospels but they also have the people who weaponize them in order to control people in their own image. @lednabwm
(DIR) Post #AdCza4q4mUHEgrF69Y by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T17:40:59Z
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@rgulickAlso, Christianity has done this a million times and so has Judaism. I'm an episcopalian and we believe in women and gay and trans priests and do gay marriages and believe in science and evolution and so forth and the liberal and progressive Jewish congregations, rabbis, and synagogues. So I call bullshit. Jesus was a schism of Judaism, protestantism was a schism of Roman Catholicism, etc etc etc... I call extreme bullshit. But I also understand your argument as well. @lednabwm@mstdn.party
(DIR) Post #AdCzmYhfZVRwmvGJVY by rgulick@social.coop
2023-12-26T17:43:21Z
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@chris @lednabwm No, that is indeed WHAT SCIENCE DOES. Arguments about the validity of evidence certainly occur, but eventually, evidence rules the day.This is nothing like religion, no matter how badly you want it to be.
(DIR) Post #AdCzsUetWTtBysnIH2 by loveallexcludenone@toad.social
2023-12-26T17:44:19Z
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@chris @XraySonoCol @lednabwm How about Love All Exclude None?
(DIR) Post #AdCzwZGWKvijQYKtuK by rgulick@social.coop
2023-12-26T17:45:08Z
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@chris Oh, come on...Christianity changes as necessary to be palatable to changing society, not due to the discovery of new truth.
(DIR) Post #AdD04P8Vse5WKSKMts by mlohbihler@techhub.social
2023-12-26T17:46:36Z
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@chris @rgulick @lednabwm no, that's what it is. A *system* that changes in response to new information. Not all of the people involved in science do this well, but that does not invalidate the system, nor equate it in any way with religion.
(DIR) Post #AdD0NQWiw0zm8xiqp6 by chris@abraham.su
2023-12-26T17:50:00Z
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@rgulickNew evidence, in other words.
(DIR) Post #AdD1zYH6fxBj8GA2Mq by XraySonoCol@med-mastodon.com
2023-12-26T18:08:06Z
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@chris @lednabwm Secular humanism approach to providing the maximum benefit to the maximum number of people does not equal disallowing access to choice, it means minimising a lack of choice imposed by others. Do as they like, providing they do not impose their values on others to the extent that a person's liberties are restricted. That also doesn't mean a free-for-all, unless we want societal collapse. If someone is offended a different view of way of life exists, then don't engage in it.
(DIR) Post #AdD2JEb9Xi7rtivGzY by XraySonoCol@med-mastodon.com
2023-12-26T18:11:41Z
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@chris @lednabwm Chris, that's an extraordinarily blatant strawman, mixed with an unhelpful amount of a false dichotomy.How is secular humanism colonizer BS. I've not stated that a belief cannot exist, only that an observant does not have the right to impose their values on others. Their values can exist, I don't have to agree with them nor do I have to allow them to restrict you either. They are free to observe them in a society that brings max benefit to max # of ppl.
(DIR) Post #AdEg1rfjicgbCBIaZM by sonic81@nerdculture.de
2023-12-27T13:11:20Z
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@chris @rgulick I'm sorry to intervene, I'm not anti-religion (as long as religion isn't anti-me, that is), but you are treating science as equivalent to religion which I must reject. Religion does change it's point of view, but only if forced by its consumers. Someone need to point out that an aspect of religion is unfair and nail this to a church door. That's not evidence, it's political relquirement.