Post AdADSXnU2zGS4OS6eO by Blort@social.tchncs.de
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(DIR) Post #AdA8NqobPa43pnv05Y by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T08:35:45Z
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waitwhat? today morning #ubuntu told me I have awaiting *security* updates but I can install them only if I have Ubuntu Pro. How come it is good idea to disallow installing security things?Or this is just a bad #UX and I do can install it in some way? #linux
(DIR) Post #AdA8pWLt5QiETfgIZU by Marv@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T08:40:45Z
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@kkarpieszuk You can't. This approach and snap are reasons, why I've decided to move from Ubuntu after 15+ years of happy life.
(DIR) Post #AdA9OJNZJMi0NW3b9s by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T08:47:03Z
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@Marv ok, reading this https://askubuntu.com/a/1453309 I see it is in fact bad UX. They did not make Ubuntu worse - they are trying to make it better but only for Pro users
(DIR) Post #AdAAX4jDFhhVV2vKSm by Blort@social.tchncs.de
2023-12-25T08:59:49Z
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@kkarpieszuk Have you tried:sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade?
(DIR) Post #AdAAgU4eO2G0iMRBJo by Marv@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T09:01:31Z
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@kkarpieszuk #Linux should be better for everyone. I agree with payments for professional support in the commercial sphere, but for casual, home, hobbyists users?
(DIR) Post #AdAAkA5adETxtId9RA by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T09:02:12Z
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@Marv I see for personal use Pro is free
(DIR) Post #AdAB3BRJppP9a6reUa by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T09:05:38Z
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@Marv after all, if we ignore the fatal UX for this window prompting "hey we have a security updates which you cannot install unless you are pro user" it is not so bad: - you can still use Ubuntu as you did (which means the sec updates will be available when mainstream channel have them)- you can use this pro channel to get themquicker than anyone else- if you use it for personal use, you can get them for free (although I did not check what they do with your data)- if you are pro, which means you are maintaining quite big computer network then pay for it (which sounds fair)They absolutely should change the UX, the way how they communicate it
(DIR) Post #AdABkf97GMlCAN5BQ0 by Marv@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T09:13:28Z
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@kkarpieszuk Pro is free, but you have to register your machine into canonical system.
(DIR) Post #AdABmIk9WhOlGUBgfY by daniel@masto.doserver.top
2023-12-25T09:13:46Z
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@kkarpieszuk Ubuntu provide (free) support for older operating systems for a certain, pre-specified, length of time. Ideally you update to a newer Ubuntu release before support endsCompanies with critical infrastructure on older Ubuntu version can pay for longer support than was originally said. I think it's reasonable
(DIR) Post #AdABquqlmwcybpU0gq by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T09:14:38Z
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@daniel the thing is I am using 22.04 LTS which still have normal updates.
(DIR) Post #AdABzJpimmMGPS01tA by daniel@masto.doserver.top
2023-12-25T09:16:06Z
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@kkarpieszuk You are? In that case... Ignore me completely. That is really strange
(DIR) Post #AdAC8c984G8DoRVf6m by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T09:17:50Z
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@daniel yup, but see here, this is not as bad as I thought, just bad UXhttps://pol.social/@kkarpieszuk/111640257420317933
(DIR) Post #AdAD2wnyRhgm6LTaaG by eelco@social.lutra-it.eu
2023-12-25T09:27:58Z
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@kkarpieszuk The only way I can see this as something legitimate, when you are running ancient/retired version of ubuntu that needs a subscription to get extended support. So maybe just a bug or an ancient system. #ubuntu #linux
(DIR) Post #AdADSW4QT1d0iMMbmS by nuddlegg@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T09:15:31Z
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@Blort @kkarpieszuk I don't see a world where refusing available security updates - and saying so - makes any sense. Not even for profit.
(DIR) Post #AdADSXnU2zGS4OS6eO by Blort@social.tchncs.de
2023-12-25T09:17:31Z
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@nuddlegg @kkarpieszuk Me either.If it's a technical glitch, this seems like the most likely way around it.
(DIR) Post #AdADSYUNTVZkDQWMVc by nuddlegg@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T09:19:47Z
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@Blort @kkarpieszuk well we get the same msg on the cmdline using apt.
(DIR) Post #AdADSZTLooLfGX33Y0 by Blort@social.tchncs.de
2023-12-25T09:31:42Z
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@nuddlegg @kkarpieszuk What version of Ubuntu are you running? My understanding was that the only time Ubuntu Pro should make any difference for security updates, is if the install is a version old enough to be past standard update support.Not ideal, but apparently before Ubuntu Pro, there wouldn't have been any updates at all for unsupported versions.Not sure if this applies to your install though.
(DIR) Post #AdADSaFuuFCFh9lqFM by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T09:32:37Z
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@Blort @nuddlegg 22.04 LTS
(DIR) Post #AdADeTtQO9iBR6vIeG by Blort@social.tchncs.de
2023-12-25T09:34:47Z
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@kkarpieszuk @nuddlegg Hmmm... I don't know then. 22.04 is supported until 2027. Doesn't sound right to me, but not sure what's up with that.
(DIR) Post #AdAFIH9bGtXJSq1pY0 by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T09:53:11Z
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@orbitalmartian it says the same: `Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:...`
(DIR) Post #AdAH0OvFqhmYFnvHii by ecosdelfuturo@mstdn.social
2023-12-25T10:08:37Z
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@Blort @kkarpieszuk @nuddlegg In any case, Ubuntu pro is free for the standard user with a license for 5 devices.
(DIR) Post #AdAH0Q0FpbNLbbGn9U by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T10:12:21Z
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@ecosdelfuturo @Blort @nuddlegg yup. In so called meantime I read their legal docs :) They do not collect much data, though they allow theirself to share them with any reasonable 3rd party subjects and provide to legal services as per request. Sounds spooky but in the era of Fb not so bad. The question is do you want to have "faster" sec updates by resigning from your sense of freedom and privacy, or you want to stay with the same speed of sec updates delivery and the same Linux experience.
(DIR) Post #AdAHcteo1hwEa1aLyq by ecosdelfuturo@mstdn.social
2023-12-25T10:19:17Z
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@kkarpieszuk @Blort @nuddlegg I was able to register with an email mask without any problem. I don't really consider it to be particularly relevant to my privacy. Much less of a concern, certainly, than using any google service.
(DIR) Post #AdAHo0NbNAZIcBpqK0 by kkarpieszuk@pol.social
2023-12-25T10:21:19Z
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@ecosdelfuturo @Blort @nuddlegg if you use mask mail you just broke their TOS ;)Not that I have a problem with it.
(DIR) Post #AdAIAIvP6QlcVEHLsW by Marv@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T10:25:21Z
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@kkarpieszuk @ecosdelfuturo @Blort @nuddlegg If it was about having the most recent applications, then ok. But delaying security updates, because not using pro, could potentially put users into the risk.
(DIR) Post #AdAMsRWss8a5kP71sG by leniwcowaty@fosstodon.org
2023-12-25T11:18:08Z
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@kkarpieszuk yeah, Canonical is spiraling more and more into being Microsoft or Apple of Linux...
(DIR) Post #AdAui2cY1Y8k2YyOo4 by KasTasMykolas@river.group.lt
2023-12-25T17:37:14Z
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@kkarpieszuk oh yeah, it was screaming stuff like that for a while. Especially for older LTS releases...
(DIR) Post #AdDXQGiv8WZB5yOFk0 by bladehorton@bitbang.social
2023-12-27T00:00:25Z
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@kkarpieszukUbuntu Pro was always kind of a weird concept to me. Like I understand why it exists, but specifically locking out certain security updates for a while so Ubuntu Pro users can get it first is seriously odd... Like, feature updates, sure, but you don't lock out security updates, even if it's just for a limited time