Post AcV0jXYJBZ1KHyJD5E by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
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(DIR) Post #AcUY6Kk84xy2YEM2Qy by rvps2001@mastodon.social
2023-12-04T11:09:01Z
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🇧🇬 🇺🇦 According to Rumen Radev, the armoured vehicles being donated to Ukraine can be used for guarding the Bulgarian border and for rendering assistance in the event of accidents and disasters, including in areas which are difficult of access.https://bnr.bg/en/post/101917087/president-radev-vetoes-sending-of-old-personnel-carriers-to-ukraine#bulgaria #russiaukrainewar
(DIR) Post #AcUY6LPxZRQadxvRdQ by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-04T11:46:37Z
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@rvps2001 Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria and, to a certain extent, Poland causing problems to Ukraine.Do they want to return to the days of the Warsaw Pact? Is their experience of the EU so poor?
(DIR) Post #AcUY6MYVL9rCAkvmam by DrGeraintLLanfrancheta@nafo.uk
2023-12-04T20:55:18Z
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@chowderman @rvps2001 hmhh... We should not forget their relative GDP in comparison to UA. Each of their issues is unique - the big big good example is Romania - helping and not complaining. The truck issue is complex - it's taken from the 'poor' / Alternatively from the privileged (truck drivers) in each Country. When it's getting to their money people get Angry. E. G. Like the French spilling Spanish wine :( EU-rope is lost. We need kalibrs and Iskanders raining on us. Otherwise we not learn
(DIR) Post #AcUY6NTZuxVj1ldMYK by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-04T21:10:46Z
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@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta @rvps2001 If you are a member of the EU, you abide by the rules. French farmers and Polish truckers be damned.Such anarchy is not healthy, and member states should protect non-nationals going about their lawful business.The honourable alternative - leave the EU. The UK did it and British truckers are happy not to have to compete with cheap Polish truckers.
(DIR) Post #AcUY6OIcrALNa5W87U by DrGeraintLLanfrancheta@nafo.uk
2023-12-05T05:47:01Z
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@chowderman @rvps2001 (fair points... But imo Schumans EU is the greatest achievement since WW2 in continental Europe but it seems Noone cherishes it anymore... So... Every n x the generation it seems the hard way need to be learned... Like with fcking Russia and war... Learning curve is over... Let's start again with 1939 2.0)
(DIR) Post #AcUY6PCzTbQkOtt8yW by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T07:02:33Z
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@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta @rvps2001 You say let’s start with 1939 again. I think that we already have!The Minsk accords were the beginning, where a land grab was largely ignored.Western Europe is no longer in Schuman’s post-conflict stage, it is now in a pre-conflict stage.
(DIR) Post #AcUZMRnnhVWv24Jr28 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T07:20:02.756021Z
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@chowdermanPolish truckers are subject to EU rules and sanctions (!). The Ukrainian ones simply jumped at the new market that was opened for them with no regard for any rules with no sanctions in place (!). So they simply took away all jobs from Poles, Slovaks etc like an avalanche by means of simple dumping. Some concrete examples:https://agora.echelon.pl/notice/AcSkj9TyJeE...All involved parties pretend it's not their problem:* European Commission who signed and extended the agreement doesn't seem to comprehend that Ukrainian drivers are violating its rules on mass scale* Polish government is reluctant to either enforce Ukrainian drivers or Polish protesters, both of which would be incendiary* Ukrainian government is simply in denial of any of the above happening* Ukrainian transport association admit there's irregularities on the Ukrainian border but it not their problem (it's their government's) and abuse of rules by their drivers in EU is EU problem (lack of enforcement) not theirsThat's precisely why it all ended with the blockade, if anyone took leadership in even trying to resolve the conflict, it would never happen in the first place.@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta @rvps2001
(DIR) Post #AcUZyB7s9QNWJehPYO by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T07:26:51.737752Z
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@chowdermanLet's not fall for the "all or nothing" fallacy. Government perspectives are multifaceted and parts of the same government may perform actions that look contradictory, and this is normal.Strategic government-level support from EU to Ukraine continues all the time, including from the countries like Slovakia and Poland. In case of Slovakia that's for example not blocking the EU initiatives even if their government doesn't send weapons directly, but this — just as with case of Poland — may be caused simply by not having any spares to share. Hungary is actively blocking them, as they had been from 2022, but Hungarian society does the same thing Poles or Germans had been doing — helping Ukraine.@rvps2001
(DIR) Post #AcUZzPQyRIocyuDjsW by DrGeraintLLanfrancheta@nafo.uk
2023-12-05T07:23:36Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @chowderman all very true thank you. The need to meet and solve this in a summit.
(DIR) Post #AcUbuPWOt12DiHVFey by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T07:29:19Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta “Dumping” is an emotive term and seems quite inappropriate in this case.“Undercutting” would seem more appropriate. It is what free markets and the EU single market is all about.https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dumping.asp
(DIR) Post #AcUbuQM9maR2IniaKe by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T07:48:31.689290Z
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@chowdermanEU market is specifically about ensuring it remains free and fair by limiting dog-eat-dog competition between Member States. Ukrainian transport companies joined the market on emergency basis with no EU requirements and much lower wages. Call it whatever you wish, but it's not fair competition and not a free market.I'm sure it was done on good will and under assumption they will not run transports inside EU, but they did, on massive scale and in violation of the agreement. This is precisely why they ended up illegally blocked by Polish truckers.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUcPe6qhOWlvxRhFw by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T07:45:54Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 I take issue with the “no more spares” phrase.Ukraine shouldn’t be solely a dumping ground for all the rubbish equipment the West no longer wants, and many countries been (and continue) supplying quality equipment, from stores AND ordered from manufactures.For individual nations, Kiel sees everything, although as Hungary is blocking EU aid, we can discount that.https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
(DIR) Post #AcUcPf2zDF22qGe7sG by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T07:54:13.973395Z
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@chowdermanThat's what is still happening — Poland is just delivering another 18 new "Krab" self-propelled guns to Ukraine. But you can't deliver something you don't have, they're still being manufactured. By spares I mean weapons which were part of country's defense strategy but considered for withdrawal in long-term, like Polish Mig-29.@rvps2001
(DIR) Post #AcUeBw9R1VcFk9FJdg by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T08:03:53Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta My point was solely that it isn’t “dumping”.It is competition, wage competition is a thing. Brexit was largely about that. These tensions are normal every time a “poor eastern relative” joins the EU club.Fair competition? I am not sure what EU rules apply to haulage.The intra EU hauling - how could anyone expect Ukraine to police what happens in other states? It has to be for the member states to police.
(DIR) Post #AcUeBx9TIrEuqYGrKq by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T08:14:10.722111Z
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@chowdermanPlenty of rules apply to haulage, such as requirements for vehicles, work time, environmental and... wages. When Ukraine joins EU, they will have to satisfy all these requirements too, and then it will a fair competition. Now it's not.And you're half-right about the EU policing — it was nonexistent because nobody expected abuse on such a scale.And I say half, because there's the other side of the conflict — all the freedoms that were granted to Ukrainian truckers in EU don't apply to EU drivers in Ukraine. On their side of the border there's 22'000 trucks waiting for exit from Ukraine (vs 5000 in EU, which we call "blockade"), complemented by bribery extortion. That's the second part of protesters postulates.That is something Ukrainian government controls 100% but until recently it was in denial they even exist. And now, once Polish transport inspection started checking Ukrainian trucks, some media there started to describe that as "discrimination" 🤦‍♂️@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUjMXwHsoG7bhyUu8 by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T08:33:34Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta Vehicles… a Volvo truck registered in Ukraine is the same as one registered in Poland.Work time… requirement for tachographs is unaffected.Environmental… a truck with a Ukrainian registration will be no more polluting than a Polish registered truck.Wages - show me the EU regulation.Trucks stuck in Ukraine and subject to extortion, are they EU or Ukrainian? If not EU then why use it as an excuse?
(DIR) Post #AcUjMZ5BdCyJ9b97Pk by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T09:12:05.533612Z
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@chowderman@universeodon.coresu have posted exactly that yesterday, then linked it in this discussion as well. It's all facts and numbers, I'm afraid.The bribery affected specifically EU drivers because they were those who waited 14-20 days for exit from Ukraine. Ukrainian trucks were passing on the fast exit lane.And the argument about "you don't need to care about bribes if they extort them from Ukrainian drivers" is a double edged one. It undermines the whole moral argument about the blockade hurting Ukraine's economy. It's not very convincing if you make a whole drama about delayed delivery of goods but at the same time bribes taken as percentage of value of the same goods are "meh, don't worry about these".Just to clarify, a month ago I'd probably just agree with you 100% and happily join the narrative about " Russian conspiracy on Polish border". But I listen to Ukrainian media all the time and they speak of corruption a lot. Some people openly spoke of "irregularities" affecting EU drivers on the border, and I started digging. What most Ukrainian commentators are completely missing however is that the corruption affecting themselves is the same corruption that affects Polish drivers. They're stuck in some kind of tribal morality where one bribe is bad, because it affects them, and another bribe is meh, because it affects foreigners. Even if, at the end of the day, the bribe affects foreigners who bring goods for Ukrainians and of course it's added to the cost of the delivery.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUlCAKd039PP1XOnQ by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T09:23:43Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta A) I saw your links to Polish Twitter posts. I don’t have the advantage of understanding Polish but I am very dubious about what gets posted on social media by people unknown to me.B) Agreed, there is no excuse or benefit from corruption.I got the impression that Polish truckers were presenting their blockade of Ukraine as “anti-corruption support of Ukraine”. That would be truly absurd 🤣
(DIR) Post #AcUlCBEHf7fcBdZqXw by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T09:32:38.262521Z
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@chowdermanI was also dubious, so I verified that against other sources. E.g. when Mekler said about 18k vehicles waiting on the Ukrainian side last week, I checked that on Ukrainian official site and… this week it’s already 22k. Numerous cases of corruption on the border were also described by Ukrainian media (I have also posted them before). And they are perfectly consistent with the cases Polish truckers posted (e.g. declaring commercial goods as “humanitarian”).So unfortunately, it all checks. Which is precisely what made me change my mind.I got the impression that Polish truckers were presenting their blockade of Ukraine as “anti-corruption support of Ukraine”. The argument they used was specifically about the appeal to moral values routinely used by Ukranians to criticise the blockade. Essentially, “if you don’t care about losses to your economy caused by your own corruption, then why should we?” I see no moralising by Polish truckers, what they say is brutally cynical but 100% true.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUp7UqpgIkTPYd8SG by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T09:55:15Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta Independent fundraisers for Ukraine are having to seek other routes to supply goods, including cars. Between the Russians blockading the Black Sea and vatnik truckers blockading land routes, some minor corruption is the last of Ukraine’s problems.Which brings me back to the return of Poland to the Russian sphere, it isn’t my problem, or Germany’s, or America’s. How about that for brutal cynicism ?
(DIR) Post #AcUp7Vng9VouM4A8B6 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T10:16:36.271258Z
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@chowderman It’s not “some minor corruption”. Failure to understand this is the primary reason for blaming Eastern European neighbours for being “vatnik”.If you have any examples of fundraisers for Ukraine seeking other routes, please feel free to share them, because from what I saw so far the humanitarian and military goods are being passed through the blockade.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUukQaBz5yxEnEK4O by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T10:57:23Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta “If you have any examples of fundraisers for Ukraine seeking other routes, please feel free to share them…”Ask, and it shall be given you…https://nitter.unixfox.eu/Teoyaomiquu/status/1731738225033510991#m
(DIR) Post #AcUukRT8gnvzzCwCiO by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:19:37.409933Z
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@chowderman As Ukrainian aid is suspended, and Ukraine is mostly blockaded by our EU “friends.” Little-by-little we start building new logistics chains through still available corridors in the south.I have confirmation that the transports I know about were passed through the border, so this statement is false at least as a generalisation. No, Ukraine is not “mostly blockaded” and using scare quotes to describe countries which supplied and continue to supply Ukraine with weapons and other supports is childish, to put that mildly.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUvGRdhajF3mV8ecy by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:25:29.292921Z
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@chowderman And I probably should be more clear that by “examples” I mean detailed case studies, such as “our transport X was blocked on border Y on day Z”.Because this is the level of detail being supplied by protesters when it comes to abusing the humanitarian priority corridor to ship commercial goods, but I have only seen one such example for military aid (which I have also posted).By the way, here’s a Polish article discussing the case of “commercial load miraculously becoming humanitarian” for a $22k bribe, which I wrote about last week:https://nowiny24.pl/cudowna-zamiana-tira-z-komercyjnym-ladunkiem-na-pomoc-humanitarna-dla-ukrainy-w-tle-22-tys-dolarow-lapowki-zdjecia/ar/c3-18130913The article also mentions yet another arrest:This is not the only recent case of corruption among Ukrainian customs officers that has come to light. Just a week ago, the State Department of Ukraine reported on the detention of six customs officers from Grodek in the Lviv region, not far from the Polish border. In return for bribes, they allowed used imported cars to pass through the border without customs duties. The transport documents included a false (earlier) date of border crossing. The idea was to benefit from the zero duty rate, passed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine a few months after the outbreak of war.And here’s another one from yesterday, when king-size bed mattresses were transported as “humanitarian load”:https://nitter.unixfox.eu/buczek_tomasz/status/1731643291144241177#m@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUxiQwdy0NJdzTKtM by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T11:51:21Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta Your politician doing all the complaining, here is an example of his work…(I see that he is getting practice in for his reports to the occupying forces).https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3795351-polish-carriers-block-delivery-of-patrol-boat-to-ukraine-mp.html
(DIR) Post #AcUxiRqId4tWQbVmds by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:52:55.961298Z
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@chowderman That’s literally what I posted 2 days ago as an example of the first and documented case of blocking military load.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUxjZssDUXverFpNA by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T11:48:25Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta You know that I don’t understand Polish, yet provide links where auto translate is not available. They do not aid your case.You provide evidence from a pro-Russian politician who complains that Ukraine seeks to import used cars (will he not be happy until Ukraine is reduced to horse drawn carts?).If Ukraine is arresting customs officers- that IS evidence that they are tackling corruption.
(DIR) Post #AcUxjagVEyFG8mTSjI by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:52:07.382140Z
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@chowdermanUkraine seeks to import used carsNo, he complains the Ukrainian companies are trying importing them as humanitarian help in a priority lane reserved for humanitarian and army loads, for a $22k bribe What’s unclear here?@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcUy6Rv1zsp5cBAZbU by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:57:18.178323Z
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@chowderman If Ukraine is arresting customs officers- that IS evidence that they are tackling corruptionNotably, that was one arrest after six months of raising alerts and appealing to all possible institutions that the scale of this corruption was widespread?If these arrests happened six months ago, there would be no blockade in the first place.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcV0jWh8NGUBd3QkCW by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T12:10:29Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta A few moments ago you said six arrests, now you say only one?
(DIR) Post #AcV0jXYJBZ1KHyJD5E by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T12:26:45.321745Z
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@chowderman Six people in one arrest here. Two arrests in total, over the last week.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcV2MXYrBcEJZ2j4K0 by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T12:33:14Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta So, a minimum of 7 customs officers arrested. I am glad for Ukraine that their anti-corruption drive is getting results.
(DIR) Post #AcV2MYTDo3JgNr65B2 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T12:45:01.064926Z
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@chowderman Yes, after six months of vocal protests that ultimately triggered the blockade, and a year after first reports of corruption on the border. I’m also very glad they finally did it, just very disappointed with the stupidity of the people who effectively made the blockade to happen.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcV32kBGepKuriogNs by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T12:44:29Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta You suggest that if the arrests were made six months ago that there would be no blockade now. That is speculation. The ring leader of the blockade is a far right activist from the Confederation party, a party that spread Covid misinformation. It does hate Ukrainians, but then it hates all foreigners, as well as jews, blacks, homosexuals etc. etc.
(DIR) Post #AcV32l3VPAinZwBzvM by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T12:52:38.650320Z
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@chowderman Please don’t make the same mistake as anti-vaxxers and don’t attribute everything to conspiracies. Of course, Russia is celebrating every single day of the blockade but they did not cause it - it’s fully earned by the Ukrainian border corruption and Ukrainian truckers abuse on EU market (primary causes), and then by half year of denial and ignorance by Ukrainian authorities that could have stopped it (secondary cause).And yes, if anyone from Ukraine even spoke to these truckers in May, when they started, the blockade would most likely not happen. I was reading their postulates posted since, initially they complained and appealed, then only after a few months they posted warnings of protests, then a few days blockade, then they moved it by a month, all the time hoping someone will pay attention.In the meantime, the fuckers on the border were too busy filling their pockets with bribes to even notice. And they won’t even spend them in Ukraine, usually they’d buy apartments in Dubai or Warsaw etc.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcV58veP7pI25JWPpo by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T13:01:16Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta I’ll leave you with your far right friends. Goodbye
(DIR) Post #AcV58wN4Rl1EJqQ5SK by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T13:16:10.981582Z
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@chowdermanThat's a very cheap way to admit your ran out of arguments 🤷‍♂️@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcVPkgbNWTbLV0O7FY by Helgi@101010.pl
2023-12-05T17:07:12Z
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@chowderman @rvps2001 vatnik Radev can't cause any problems with his veto because the Parliament would just re-approve sending those ancient BTR 60s again and the President is unable to do veto twice
(DIR) Post #AcVPq6njXf86Cckj9k by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T17:08:10Z
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@Helgi @rvps2001 Ah! That is very interesting, thank you.
(DIR) Post #AcVPv7vGncwt83fda4 by Helgi@101010.pl
2023-12-05T17:09:06Z
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@chowderman @rvps2001 and today I saw news Slovakia opened their borders. Maybe they solved that problem with Poland either. Some eCherga line existed and people had to pay bribes to even get there. That should have ended in arrests of some border guards and sending them at Avdiivka
(DIR) Post #AcVQ1i4xHh7f0FL8K0 by Helgi@101010.pl
2023-12-05T17:10:17Z
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@chowderman @rvps2001 Radev came to power to try and implement stronk rule of Presidents, and turn Bulgaria into Russia's vassal, but then the Parliament said "Wait, what? No way!" and now the President can't do anything at all.
(DIR) Post #AcVQ24WLqW6obaKK4u by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-05T17:10:21Z
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@Helgi @rvps2001 Brilliant news, thank you again đź‘Ť
(DIR) Post #Acb0D6Zk0cequ2Vt8C by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-08T09:42:08Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta What makes you think that I go to Mastodon to argue? It might be your thing, it isn’t mine.I am here for valuable opinions and information. You post claims from a Far Right Polish group (amongst other things, anti-vaxxers) with supposed evidence of abuse of regulations. That evidence fails scrutiny as much as anti-vaxx claims.You are long on argument, short on valuable information or information. 🤷‍♂️
(DIR) Post #Acb0D7sv8nasxoUifI by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-08T09:49:08.203412Z
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@chowderman None of my evidence comes from “Konfederacja”The only thing I quoted from the Polish protesters were their postulatesSome evidence quoted comes from social mediaMost of the evidence comes from Ukraine’s own media (arrests in Lviv) or border force statistics (queues on the Ukrainian side), Slovak and Polish transport inspectionWhile you can consider 2-3 as unreliable or circumstantial, arguing with 4 is just silly. And, most importantly, 4 is fully consistent with 2-3.@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta
(DIR) Post #AcbHkVWHzC5R2kPbM0 by chowderman@universeodon.com
2023-12-08T12:41:51Z
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@kravietz @rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta To claim that none of your “evidence” comes from Confederation is disingenuous, the social media posts are from their activists.Once contaminated with the recycled “firehose of nonsense”from their social media, your message is devalued.(Link covers protestors’ links to confederation (& Russia)).https://m.censor.net/en/resonance/3459955/how_polish_striking_drivers_are_connected_to_kremlin
(DIR) Post #AcbHkWRMYzjxtl7BJY by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-08T13:05:41.073435Z
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@chowderman If you want a reliable analysis of the “Kremlin links in the Polish protest” I can recommend the Kyiv Independent video published today:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iiMXuM5JzM@rvps2001 @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta