Post AcTfbbLGv38hWwclw8 by argumento@hispagatos.space
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(DIR) Post #AcTfbaDn5NYq3S7HdY by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-11-29T08:00:24Z
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@Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine what kind of revenge? Di you know how the situation developed during this time. That the whole area was part of the ottman empire that was defeted during wwI and that until then Muslims, Christians and Jews were living in this area. That when the Britain proposed a state that there was the idea that two states should exist and Arab countries where against it. Threatening the newly formed state with extinction.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbbLGv38hWwclw8 by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-29T08:04:10Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine The Ottoman Empire wasn't "deleted", rofl. It fell, or more precisely, was brought down by the Brits.The British Crown didn't just "propose a Jewish State", ir was committed to founding a "Jewish homeland in Palestine" since the Balfour declaration. The British Crown didn't have the authority to partition Palestine and start proclaiming new States wherever. That's against international law and good sense.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbcdO7BDzXQ6koS by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-29T08:05:48Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine Palestine had massive Israeli migration, that started in the XIX Century but increased in the XX Century, particularly in the 30's and after WW2. By 1947 the Jewish population was less than half, yet the British gave them 55% of Palestine for their new, ilegal, Ethnostate.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbdbeV7QkYKIskK by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-11-29T14:47:19Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine the British had a mandate of the League of Nations, so not against international law but by the mandate of the international community.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbeUbCpNnIk0lOK by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-29T16:58:25Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine the league of nations had no representation, it was nothing but a gathering of European powers. There wasn't any Palestinian representation at the LoN, nor where Palestinians consulted about the partition. You really are ignorant about history, talks volumes about the European educación system.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbfUHVUisO2s1XE by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-11-30T16:49:17Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine yeah you can question the legitimacy of every institution which is obviously your hobby horse. A one trick pony so to say
(DIR) Post #AcTfbg6vBpdCJswslM by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-29T17:37:52Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine and since I typoed the UN instead of writing LoN, the 1947 partition also was illegitimate, heavily influenced by the horrors that Hitler inflicted on the Jewish people, that were, by the way, in no means the responsibility of the Palestinians that were to be deprived of their homeland.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbgMAH9pB5A53WS by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-30T18:32:13Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine List of member States of the LoN:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_League_of_NationsNot a SINGLE Arab country was a members, since the Arab world was colonized by the Turks or the West Eropeans. Only 4 African nations were represented, Ethiopia, Liberia, Egypt and South Africa, and most were members for a short while.How could that assembly of European Powers and lesser partners had the right to usurp the Palestinian Right of Self Determination?
(DIR) Post #AcTfbhMuVs10DlRAK8 by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-30T18:43:49Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine Sorry, I made a mistake, Egypt is an Arab country and was the only Arab member.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbhx4LQwG1uM2gS by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-11-30T18:41:51Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine On the other hand, the partition of Palestine in 1947 was against the UN Charter. In specific against Article 2., paragraphs 1 and 4.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbi8PfG0qb5f6Mi by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-01T08:15:50Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine so you are suggesting that Israel us illegitimate and should be what? At the foundation of every state lies an act of violence that's in the dna of nation states. So you pick one and illegitimate it. Sound pretty random to me.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbj8nvHv5iaqvc8 by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-12-01T10:03:03Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine I'm saying that Israel shouldn't exist.Israel is a colonial project sponsored and financed by the British Crown, to pursue it's interests in the region, that later was picked up by the USA when it became the hegemonic power. It has nothing to do with the protection or safety of the Jews, but with weponizing them (and their suffering under Hitler and the different Czars) against the Palestinian population.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbk1kczs8T0YoG8 by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-01T13:45:58Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine get creative to turn everything around. In fact zionism is old and originates from within a part of the Jewish community. It is at its core a decolonial project and stems from the urge that the Jewish diaspora returns to it's old home land, where it once began. Israel has a foundation in history. They lived there somewhat 4000 years ago and where expelled by the Romans. So no it's not a colonal project installed by the British.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbkyb6CwZPW5nyy by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-01T13:46:57Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine infact Jewish resistance fought the British to gain independence.
(DIR) Post #AcTfblrtmbBCB1xyBE by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-12-01T16:36:18Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine the Zionist project is not a de colonial one, lol. Zionism is a modern, European ideology based in modern concepts like "nation State". The hagenah and the irgun indeed carried terrorists acts against the British mandate, but also collaborated closely with it, all the way down to jointly repressing the Palestinian revolnt in the 1930s. The Brits als o never disarmed said groups.Zionism is a European settler ideology.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbmmcNiY90wVGaW by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-03T09:17:15Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine no it's not. In addition people from all around the world live in israel. Arabs too and they are allowed to vote. So please spear your conspiracy theories.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbnbJLF6DYADkbQ by argumento@hispagatos.space
2023-12-03T13:53:27Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine saying that Zionism is a modern, XIX Century European ideology is nor a lie, much less a "conspiracy theory". It is appalling to see someone so ignorant and yet so sure of themselves.So, tell me Sherlock, how can a XIX Century European, Theodor Herzl be dubbed " the father of Zionism" is Zinosim wasn't a XIX Century political ideology?
(DIR) Post #AcTfboWNv2kkPAvKYy by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-03T15:21:23Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine for sure he gave the idea a modern face and packed it in the face of modern antisemitism in a coherent modern idea that also appealed to a lot of Jewish communists, but the idea of the return to Jerusalem and the land of their anccestors is inscribed on the belief that they will return upon the building of the third temple. What you hate about it is, that Jews proclaim something that the most people have already.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbpOGghr36I8MYC by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-03T15:23:36Z
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@argumento @Blaveur @happymilk @appassionato @palestine A state that grants them safety in a world that is dominated the idea of the survival of the strongest. What happens to people who don't have a state can be observed how Turkey is killing kurdish people or the Islamic state killed the yezids. So of curse your bias towards the state of Israel is just coded antisemitism.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbqFRV0OBlD0pQu by Blaveur@piaille.fr
2023-12-03T15:58:18Z
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@manifold @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine The problem has never be the existence of a Jewish state, but a ethnostate based on unequal rights, racism, colonialism etc on a land sized by violence against natifs.You used the Kurdish exemple, well, Israel is treating is minorities much worst than Turkish state treat is owns.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbrBE2AbseQ2yUy by Blaveur@piaille.fr
2023-12-03T16:30:00Z
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@manifold @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine Then Jews, even camp survivors have suffer because of Zionism's, when Zionists try to suppress totally the Yiddish and others Jewish languages, and impose the usage of Hebrew, a totally recreate language because it was a dead language since 5th century.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbryr3eJD8LGbr6 by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-03T17:42:57Z
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@Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine that's just a classical antisemit trope and I would take it to serious even to reply on this one.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbszxH2mcI2n0D2 by somekindahate3@ni.hil.ist
2023-12-03T17:54:15Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine next this moron is going to say that hating Henry Kissinger is also antisemitic.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbttxunaP5kzjVo by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-03T18:14:35Z
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@somekindahate3 @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine there is a big difference in wanting israel being exciting and hating one person.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbumCf8yHnyN33I by somekindahate3@ni.hil.ist
2023-12-03T23:37:40Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine I assume you an opposition to an 'exciting' third reich was also racist lmao. What happens when the entirety of the state of Israel embodies the vision and everything bad about Henry Kissinger? Genocidal settler colonial state do not and never have had a 'right' to exist.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbvUA1i8K0Iw9ZI by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-04T08:02:48Z
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@somekindahate3 @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine are you serious you compare Israel to the third Reich? I really poked in a nest of notorious antisemits here. I wonder what wen wrong in your upbringing.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbwGN8ShKPpUeiO by somekindahate3@ni.hil.ist
2023-12-04T09:17:29Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine lmao are you just being made aware for the first time that Israel is an invasive fascist ethno state that is committing ruthless genocide?
(DIR) Post #AcTfbxDvZ2KvOXMDXk by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-04T09:28:05Z
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@somekindahate3 @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine Israel is a parliamentary democracy with various political parties and regular elections. Labeling it as "fascist" overlooks its political system, civil liberties, and the legal rights of its citizens, including those from diverse ethnic and religious backgrounds.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbxvsvbUxarvK3k by somekindahate3@ni.hil.ist
2023-12-04T09:40:42Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine Yes, it disregards asinine facades and focuses on the fact that it's a fascist imperialist European ethno state committing ruthless genocide, even though it would be great to point out how Nigerian Jews were denied rights and were described to challenge the "Jewishness" of the state.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbyd8Ko5pl09rTE by manifold@mstdn.social
2023-12-04T09:47:27Z
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@somekindahate3 @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine seems like you are just a hater that spreads lies and hate.
(DIR) Post #AcTfbzWmzsc2XcCJDk by somekindahate3@ni.hil.ist
2023-12-04T18:46:15Z
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@manifold @Blaveur @argumento @happymilk @appassionato @palestine Just a reminder that I'm not the one committing genocide, Israel is. If you think that we're singling out Israel for being the only european settler colonialist imperialist state, just know that we're not. The US, the Brits, and the whole of the western capitalist hegemonic power has blood on their hands. Israel is just the current, most latent atrocity in line with Henry Kissinger's and the US's murderous trend. Sadly, Israel turned into Nazis to serve the interest of the capitalists, just like the Nazis did.