Post AcANSmFxTryvb0XjmK by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
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(DIR) Post #AcANSktwWEmFOREdpA by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
2023-11-25T05:16:58Z
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How many sloppy logical fallacies can you spot?Cass Sunstein: Distinguished Professor of Rhetoric.#IvyLeague #bullshit https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/opinion/cass-sunstein-why-liberal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.AU0.rPqr.aeFXcCNSncXS&smid=url-share
(DIR) Post #AcANSlwSeMNycXQAO8 by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
2023-11-25T05:25:24Z
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Here's one:"In ways large and small, antiliberalism is on the march. So is tyranny."Antiliberalism = tyranny. Got it, Cass. More rhetoric.
(DIR) Post #AcANSm7nyBSZBijE4O by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
2023-11-25T05:21:53Z
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Here's one, right out of the gates:"More than at any other time since World War II, liberalism is under siege. On the left, some people insist that liberalism is exhausted and dying and unable to handle the problems posed by entrenched inequalities, corporate power and environmental degradation."Ok genius, show us why we're wrong? What's that? You'd rather just move on and leave readers to think your cushy little grift is "under siege" from the left without telling us why? Right: that's rhetoric.
(DIR) Post #AcANSmFxTryvb0XjmK by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
2023-11-25T05:27:03Z
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Here's one:"Many of the marchers misdescribe liberalism; they offer a caricature."Motherfucker, you just dropped three caricatures before you even stepped into the meat of your argument 🤣 I'm dying over here.
(DIR) Post #AcANSmVuWYk4OU0Tdw by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
2023-11-25T05:24:00Z
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Here's one:"Fascists reject liberalism. So do populists who think that freedom is overrated."Perrrrrrfect. Lets' just equate fascists and populists. Again, without defining terms or explanation. Verdict? Yeah, that's rhetoric.
(DIR) Post #AcANSmasE6iCdsKRNY by freepeoplesfreepress@qoto.org
2023-11-25T13:32:36Z
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@LeftistLawyer Dear Leftist Lawyer at kolektiva social: We must explain what practical liberalism actually is, I think many people believe that liberals are political extremists who are hippies.Hippies: (especially in the 1960s) a person of unconventional appearance, typically having long hair, associated with a subculture involving a rejection of conventional values and the taking of hallucinogenic drugs.I am not a hippy, I was having a discussion with conservatives the other day and I explained what practical liberalism is all about. To my astonishment they said there is nothing wrong with being a liberal. They said: "We feel your pain, we also get a bad reputation because of GOP MAGA Republicans who are fascists." The conservatives told me that Trump has corrupted the GOP Republican Party, they no longer identity with the GOP, they emphasized their desire to throw the fascists out of the GOP. I do not anticipate conservatives to embrace liberalism, what I do see is some conservatives actually get it that Trump is destroying American basic societal values associated with the Constitution of the United States. Conservatives that I had spoken to are voting for President Joseph Biden. Why I asked, they said that Trump is an enemy of democracy. We must reach out to political independents, make our case why liberals should be reelected, the conservatives I talked to find President Biden to be the lesser of two evils, they do not want Trump to dismantle NATO, they do not want Trump to support Russia's war on Ukraine. If we intend on keeping power via knowledge and consent of the electorate as liberals, we are going to have to attract political independents, disenfranchised conservatives, I am in a very political conservative area that elects people like Kevin McCarthy, yet there appears to be cracks in the GOP MAGA Republican Party's political armor. I am speaking at times with conservatives and ultra conservatives who are fed up with Donald J. Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Kevin McCarthy. The people in my area who are pro Trump supporters are average disenfranchised voters who do not like liberals, they are not political extremists, which should be a major warning sign to us that Donald J. Trump still retains a lot of cross over voters who feel alienated by the Democrat Party. What I am experiencing first hand is conservative political infighting at the grassroots level and average voters who feel that the Democrats are out of touch with reality. This is now playing out in Southern California, so we have a lot of work to do at the grassroots level to restore confidence in the Democratic Party. Sincerely, Monica Andrews, Editor-in-chief, #FreePeoplesFreePress News
(DIR) Post #AcB00b7ZBVhDAFAiDA by LeftistLawyer@kolektiva.social
2023-11-25T18:28:17Z
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In response to Cass Sunstein and @freepeoplesfreepress What we experience today is not "liberalism" in the classic sense whatsoever. Should we actually still practice the liberalism of the Roosevelt era, I highly doubt there would be much in the way opposition to liberalism in the U.S. What we practice today is #NEOLIBERALISM. Or, liberalism completely dominated by "finance capitalism" as described in the link I post below by #MichaelHudson & #SteveKeen. Evidence of this fact is the utter disappearance in the U.S. of industrial capitalism & industrial policy -- again spoken of in depth below. The critique of "liberals" by the left is truly a critique of neoliberalism -- government by corporate financiers and rent seekers -- wedded to the neoliberal political strategy of using identity politics to undermine class cohesion. The Clintons really got the Democrats rolling down this road. Obama doubled down on it -- see the wall street bailout, yo. Biden is just another clone with some frilly left topping to make it look like he's different because people are catching on.Then, ask yourself where "liberals" get the majority of their campaign contributions? Huh? Yup ... you guessed it: Wall Street. So, please Mr. *master of rhetoric* Sunstein ... spare me the crocodile tears about the left laying "siege" to liberalism. We're not. We're laying siege to the neoliberalism that you, and your ilk benefit from at the expense of the people -- an analysis Sunstein OH SO CONVENIENTLY forgets to include in his "high minded" rhetoric filled screed.#news #socialism #liberal #politicshttps://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/11/how-finance-capitalism-ruined-the-world-dr-michael-hudson-dr-steve-keen.html
(DIR) Post #AcCNi6X4lWnl8nmInA by freepeoplesfreepress@qoto.org
2023-11-26T12:44:48Z
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@LeftistLawyer Dear Leftist Lawyer at kolektiva social: (My definition): Neo-liberalism seems to be closer to right wing ideology, right wing ideology favors business interests over the individual citizen's interests within society.). I consider myself to be a liberal who believes that business commercial enterprises should be able to freely operate as long as such businesses do not monopolize the market place. I believe that political parties should entirely function independently of business sector influences. I am a 'liberal' not a libertarian nor a conservative; I would consider myself Leftist Lawyer by your own definition to be closer to "practicing liberalism of the Roosevelt era." I do not believe that political parties should be unduly influenced by the business sector. I do believe that we should draw a distinction between 'average liberals' and 'organized left wing political apparatuses.' The Democratic Party's D.N.C. has it's own internal hierarchy that is far removed from the 'average liberal's political views, opinions and general political ideological beliefs.' I am not taking into account the 'far left political influences' within the Democratic Party. Just discussing the average liberal who has no direct political ties to the business sector, the liberal foot soldiers of liberalism, liberal foot soldiers do not financially gain from their individual and collective associations with the Democratic Party's internal left political hierarchical apparatuses. [In my own personal opinion Leftist Lawyer, you are taking issue with the upper echelon elite that control the Democratic Party. The average liberal has no power to alter and change the course of this upper echelon left wing political ideological apparatus known as the D.N.C.. ]I believe Leftist Lawyer that you genuinely and sincerely are wanting to restore liberalism to a purely idealistic state. Which I am in total agreement with, liberalism functions best when when liberal politicians are not bought and paid for by special interests such as private sector corporate business enterprises. This also holds true for other political ideologies. I believe that I cannot still accurately define myself as a liberal if I politically lean to far to the left or aka far left. So there seems to be argumentatively two problems: 1. Democratic Party selling out to the private sector corporate business enterprises and 2. Far Left attempting to control the Democratic Party's internal political hierarchical apparatuses. I am part of the traditional ideological left wing, not far left, so I am very concerned that we do not stray to far to the left, so I will probably continue to shy away from the far left political influences. #news #socialism #liberal #politics Sincerely, Monica Andrews, Editor-in-chief, #FreePeoplesFreePress News