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(DIR) Post #Abm4JHX5EpuZLUfpMe by interfluidity@zirk.us
2023-11-13T20:04:20Z
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trump : hitlerspeak :: desantis : wokethey both think (well desantis thought) they had an easy cynical formula for persuading, and they pour it on.but you can in fact be too cynical about the much maligned US electorate, and both of them are.one of them might still win, because the US system makes every election a weighted coinflip and candidate idiosyncracies can only weight things so far.but brilliant communicators or propagandists they are not. trump 's skills have notably declined.
(DIR) Post #Abm4REo9FjUfDBRuuO by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-11-13T20:06:21.770471Z
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@interfluidity Disagree that either of them have “hitlerspeak”, although #RonDesantis is the only #GOP candidate who is somewhat close to fascism IMHO.Substance matters more to me than rhetoric though.
(DIR) Post #Abm5IcSI3wkltugCNk by interfluidity@zirk.us
2023-11-13T20:09:23Z
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@realcaseyrollins i hope we don't get to test either's substance. i do think trump intentionally borrows hitler's rhetorical tropes. i don't think it's (necessarily) because he's a hitler clone in a policy sense, it's because he admires authoritarian power and seeks to emulate techniques of those he sees as successful.
(DIR) Post #Abm5Ih4MuJaaDAWfI0 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-11-13T20:15:58.956263Z
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@interfluidity #Trump supports big government, but he’s not authoritarian, there is a difference between the two.I don’t know #Hitler enough to know if #Trump is borrowing rhetoric from him, but that’s a wild accusation.I do think #Trump admires authoritarians, but more for their popularity and followers (willing or otherwise) than their authoritarianism. #Trump seems to respect a few things, and among them are large following bases and smart military strategies, which authoritarians also usually employ.
(DIR) Post #Abm7xQrQHADJip1YAa by interfluidity@zirk.us
2023-11-13T20:24:17Z
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@realcaseyrollins I support big government, but not authoritarianism. I don't think Trump is into a national housing service and single-payer health care though.Re Trump overtly imitating Hitler, we have this (old) story https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8 and some pretty direct lifts https://boingboing.net/2023/11/13/trumps-veterans-day-speech-mirrors-hitlers-statements-almost-word-for-word.htmlI disagree that authoritarians pursue smart military strategies in general, but I'd agree Trump would think they do.
(DIR) Post #Abm7xRbVVp4q1kaM08 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-11-13T20:45:45.247407Z
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@interfluidity Re Trump overtly imitating Hitler, we have this (old) story https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8 and some pretty direct lifts https://boingboing.net/2023/11/13/trumps-veterans-day-speech-mirrors-hitlers-statements-almost-word-for-word.htmlThis seems like conspiracy theory level stuff to me TBHI disagree that authoritarians pursue smart military strategies in general, but I’d agree Trump would think they do.The ones #Trump has praised directly have, I think.
(DIR) Post #AbmE1HAwpHTMZFNAjQ by gsymon@mstdn.social
2023-11-13T21:03:44Z
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@realcaseyrollins @interfluidity The Vanity Fair article from 1990 that talked about it.#Trump #TrumpFascist #TrumpNazi https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1990/9/after-the-gold-rush
(DIR) Post #AbmE1IGImrLjw8sxiS by interfluidity@zirk.us
2023-11-13T21:27:49Z
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@gsymon @realcaseyrollins yeah. i might have been (was in fact) skeptical of the stories alone, but in combination with Trump’s remarks coming really quite close to Hitler’s, I’m persuaded.
(DIR) Post #AbmE8RT2xXlcVxFtaK by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-11-13T21:55:02.054505Z
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@interfluidity @gsymon Seems credible now. I stand corrected.I’m inclined to agree with the POV of the #VanityFair writer as well, it’s possible that he cared more about #Hitler’s ability to convince people through propaganda, charisma and rhetoric than his actual social and political views.
(DIR) Post #AbmIGMBcsSj4Gk8Wp6 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-11-13T22:26:48Z
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@realcaseyrollins @gsymon @interfluidity Apologizing for disagreeing, i acknowledge that you already researched enough to make my former reply redundant ^^
(DIR) Post #AbmSrDwtSzcMycSp2u by curtis@social.teci.world
2023-11-14T00:39:59.511055Z
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@realcaseyrollins @interfluidity Checks instance banned words list for hitlerspeakNotices banned words list is emptyMoves on