Post AaTT0zi2jk5Fbi3nWr by bryansmart@mstdn.social
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 (DIR) Post #AaTT0m7PGe3NSJor7Q by kentborg@social.tchncs.de
       2023-10-05T21:09:43Z
       
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       @hpux735 There must be lots of people who know a lot more about the blind aspect of this than do I, but I know something about the programming side and one thing that comes to mind is emacs. It has devotees who use it for *everything*, and it is very useable in a purely text UI. (To the extent it is usable, there is a learning curve.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AaTT0zi2jk5Fbi3nWq by kentborg@social.tchncs.de
       2023-10-05T21:29:40Z
       
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       @hpux735 And there is something called emacspeak, and so might be a basis for screenreading for blind programmers.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaTT0zi2jk5Fbi3nWr by bryansmart@mstdn.social
       2023-10-05T22:14:20Z
       
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       @kentborg @hpux735 The scenario involved a gentle introduction to basic programming concepts for novice children. Emacs is the absolute opposite of that. Emacs is tough for seasoned professionals.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaTT18xGMWbcHWFa08 by carlozancanaro@aus.social
       2023-10-05T22:48:29Z
       
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       @bryansmart Honestly, I think Emacs would be easier for children than for professionals. It's not really hard, but it's really different.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaTt2bQoZOhFhLQgGO by irenes@mastodon.social
       2023-10-05T20:30:25Z
       
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       @hpux735 damn, yeah.... we have no idea. we're told that the terminal plays well with screen readers, and we know that a kid that age can learn Unix if motivated because we did, but that requires a real expert to do the tutoring. we're not aware of any "modern" stuff that cares about accessibility at all. if anything GUI programming environments go in the direction of being less accessible.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaU3ZxUIaMd1CabRc8 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
       2023-10-06T05:39:46.938323Z
       
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       The last blind developer I knew was in University. He stayed on Windows and used JAWS (commercial application) but that was back in 2002.I'm still friends with a blind accessibility engineer. He was one of the few people who was allowed to use Windows (everyone else was on Linux at this particular job) because Linux accessibility still really sucks.I've never met a blind coder in my career. No idea what they use.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaUt2WjYEM2YHo7JUe by Teckids@bildung.social
       2023-10-06T09:38:16Z
       
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       @hpux735 Most "coding programs for kids" are intended to drive kids into the ecosystems of the sponsoring companies, Scratch and OpenRoberta being two honourable exceptions.We normally don't use specialized tools with kids – we just use Python and the Thonny editor, or even a terminal editor.Stop thinking you must use specialized kids toys to teach coding, and most barriers should go away. Make a fun text adventure. Kids can grasp loops, conditions, dictionaries and print/input just fine.