Post AaAwFQiNlu101iMHDc by cobratbq@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AaAw18W0dlfjWlksvQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:15:33Z
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Sometimes im just astonished by how out there some conspiracy theories are... like not landing on the moon, I guess i can get that cause we are so far removed from it and there isnt any good way to verify it personally... its all trust...But flat earthers and stuff like that... i just cant get how someone can be that level of stupid...Apparently it is a conspiracy theory (at least with one person) that nukes dont actually exist and were never used. I mean... i could build you a geiger counter from scratch, i could literally prove nuclear fission with very little parts... how can this stuff even be doubted?
(DIR) Post #AaAwFQiNlu101iMHDc by cobratbq@mastodon.social
2023-09-27T00:18:08Z
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@freemo flat earth is a distraction. Hollow earth is where it's at đđđ
(DIR) Post #AaAwO6QEaZAVhE0Ncm by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2023-09-27T00:19:45Z
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@freemo I remember listening to some of Shermerâs lectures and then paying attention to some of the weird shit people believe. Some are definitely in the âI canât believe my what my ears are hearing right nowâ department.
(DIR) Post #AaAwP5bh6Za3SQptSK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:19:54Z
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@cobratbq Well everyone knows hollow earth is real.. if it werent hollow it would be too heavy and would fall out of space!
(DIR) Post #AaAwX1yOV24mVJEy92 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:21:19Z
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@Darkayne I am pretty sure like 90% of conspiracy theoriests, maybe more, are just paranoid schizophrenics and just arent capable of functional thought... i just cant explain it any other way... otherwise how do they feed themselves!
(DIR) Post #AaAwuU686ACmOM2g4G by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2023-09-27T00:25:36Z
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@freemo It also doesnât help many grew up watching the Discovery channel to further fortify their believe in âAncient Aliensâ
(DIR) Post #AaAx3cv4fXGOMGEM3U by cobratbq@mastodon.social
2023-09-27T00:27:15Z
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@freemo oh shit đł
(DIR) Post #AaAx8ByOHb4OEUxV0y by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:28:02Z
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@Darkayne Yea that channel did soooo much harm.Thi g is when i was younger i was into it and it was good for me as it gave me a "what if" mentality. I was mature enough to know it was speculative despite being sold as fact... Despite that seems it was quite a bit more harmful for others it seems
(DIR) Post #AaAxtTqzcXINIc2zY0 by volkris@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:36:35Z
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@freemo this is one of those cases where I'd say it's important to talk to [at least] a person who has the perspective to find out why they believe it.Have you?So very often when I talk to people who have perspectives that are so different from my own I figure out, through discussion, why they believe what they believe, generally because they're working with a different set of facts or premises.I know a few people with really out there beliefs, and when I chat with them I figure out the factually disagreements we have, so their ideas are sometimes rather sensible, given their inputs.
(DIR) Post #AaAyH2xvF3wGrBWega by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:40:52Z
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@volkris this is one of those cases where Iâd say itâs important to talk to [at least] a person who has the perspective to find out why they believe it. Have you?A great many over the years⌠For like a week I joined a few flat earth FB groups for exactly this purpose. So very often when I talk to people who have perspectives that are so different from my own I figure out, through discussion, why they believe what they believe, generally because theyâre working with a different set of facts or premises.They do indeed tend to have a different set of facts.. often ones very easily disproven, but most of them are too lazy to actually check the facts, they just hear it and adopt it⌠Why is often a bit unclear since they are the less logical choice of the facts presented. I know a few people with really out there beliefs, and when I chat with them I figure out the factually disagreements we have, so their ideas are sometimes rather sensible, given their inputs.Given their facts as axioms, then yea, no doubt their conclusions track⌠thats not the part that baffles me. What baffles me is they adopted these nonsensical things as facts when they are so easily tested and dismissed or even in many cases common sense can invalidate it alone.
(DIR) Post #AaAyLs4fA9zWWfylCi by ech@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:41:45Z
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@freemo â "isnt any good way to verify it personally" that's part of it, I think â an unwillingness to believe anything you didn't personally verify. Like, go outside and look at the ground or whatever: it looks flat. So to accept this premise that it is round instead of what it obviously looks like, they'll want to see something *personally*.At some point, to function at a certain level, so to speak, you need to take some stuff on trust: like things you learned in science class and so on.Also: I think there's also a personality that wants to find meaning in everything â so like the idea that something happening implies somebody did it by design.Both of these are maybe related by failure to apply Bayes' theorem. You kind of know this subconsciously: you think something is true with some probability, but then as you see evidence that probability in your mind changes according to the evidence. Basic underpinning of science, right? But you need to have some way of evaluating these probabilities and adjustments. If there's something missing in you that makes it hard for you to do it, then you're going to have the kinds of problems that I'm outlining.Re. moon landings, you really need to be conspiratorially-minded (or wildly ignorant): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings â if this is a conspiracy, then just wow.
(DIR) Post #AaAyYRVtE7dduhi0IK by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2023-09-27T00:44:01Z
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@freemo People think it's rather weird, considering what the show itself, but The X-Files is what created my skeptical mindset every night. I knew aliens or shapeshifters were bullshit but it was the way Scully and Mulder worked together. Two parties that seldom see eye to eye still getting shit done.
(DIR) Post #AaAyt2CuVeEBVdeNVI by volkris@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:47:45Z
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@freemo so I think thatâs the key, focusing on the different sets of facts, working on coming to some consensus with them over what is true.You started by saying you were astonished by the theories, but given the alternative sets of facts, it shouldnât be so astonishing.Its simply people working from a different playbook, and often having very predictable ideas based on the facts theyâre working with.
(DIR) Post #AaAzQWF9r9Y4DmfUEC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:53:46Z
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@ech âisnt any good way to verify it personallyâ thatâs part of it, I think â an unwillingness to believe anything you didnât personally verify. Like, go outside and look at the ground or whatever: it looks flat. So to accept this premise that it is round instead of what it obviously looks like, theyâll want to see something personally.I agree and I think this is the core of it. There are three stages of effort as I see it.1) I believe what I superficially believe with my eyes and wont do any digging or investigation beyond this.2) I only beleive things I can personally verify experimentally, but I will go through the effort to test things⌠whether i do so in an intellectually honest way or not is another matter3) I will rely on other experts and their network of endorsements/citations/whatever as an authority and honest source that I can use to draw conclusions, or agree with.#1 is suspect because its either out of extreme intellectual laziness, or as a scapegoat to justify some underlying less logical reason you just wont admit, usually religion, or a prejudice#2 is where most people are comfortable#3 is the hardest because it requires you learning about an entire body of knowledge and people and make subjective judgements about authority⌠the subjectivity of judging the chain of trust is ultimately where failures can occur here.
(DIR) Post #AaAzerDoejhfL3sT3o by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T00:56:21Z
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@Darkayne fantasy is good so long as we can understand its fantasy... and also nothing wrong for searching for fantasy in the truth, so long as we are objective enough to recognize we usually wont find it.
(DIR) Post #AaB09VWHOVQ30X82cq by freepeoplesfreepress@qoto.org
2023-09-27T01:01:56Z
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@freemo Dear Dr. Freemo: I believe that conspiracies actually exist, someone can contact 2 or more people and conspire to give me a birthday party. They can all agree to sing happy birthday, agree to violate happy birthday song copyright laws. So yes big and small conspiracies do happen, so it is a remote possibility that man never landed on the moon. Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goal. Now the theory that planet earth is flat would be much harder to accept because other planetary bodies seem to be spherical in nature, on planet earth we find naturally occurring nearly round stones. I do have an open mind, I have read most of the flat earth conspiracy theories that claim that world governments are intentionally suppressing the information that the earth is flat. Sincerely, Monica Andrews, Editor-in-chief, #FreePeoplesFreePress News
(DIR) Post #AaBCL7X9b8NdXdqF7Y by AncientGood@qoto.org
2023-09-27T03:18:28Z
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@freemoI think itâs not stupidity, more like soft disability, or religiosity of some kind when you have to believe in some mystery or hidden knowledge
(DIR) Post #AaCHL6B9KThQGhJmoC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-27T15:49:11Z
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@AncientGood religion isnt always a disability, neither is conspiracy theory⌠but when someone shows a certain trend in how they think about it it may be an indication of it.
(DIR) Post #AaGqEXbLFURMJo19LE by Romaq@qoto.org
2023-09-29T20:39:03Z
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@freemo I'll just be over here getting my daily dose of antimatter eating a banana. đ
(DIR) Post #AaGrvVF1zxX9PDdE6S by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-29T20:58:00Z
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@Romaq Ha!
(DIR) Post #AaIKGPw1ulMou6StLE by Romaq@qoto.org
2023-09-30T13:50:15Z
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@freemo We elected not to have children due to my wife's health at the time, but I do have daydreams of tormenting my progeny with nuclear bananas and horrible dad jokes. I take it out on my wife instead.
(DIR) Post #AaIZyY5sRLUSGJZYky by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-30T16:46:17Z
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@Romaq I dont want children but I feel my dad jokes require me to have some one day.
(DIR) Post #AaIaBK5vne7sbpgmnY by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-09-30T16:48:36.281666Z
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@freemo @Romaq Itâs definitely a job requirement, Iâve been working on those in advance
(DIR) Post #AaMHq9mruFwW18MzYW by minogully@mstdn.ca
2023-10-02T11:41:53Z
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@freemo @Romaq honestly, for me, I was not convinced Iâd enjoy being a dad until I realized there was the dad joke angle.Then, of course, I realized that I love teaching, and I have these two little guys to teach all about everything.I actually love being a dad.But itâs not for everyone. My experience is not everyoneâs.
(DIR) Post #AaMYMGziFCpou3iJOK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-10-02T14:47:00Z
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@minogully Being a dad would probably be great.. in all reality only reason im not a dad is because I cant ethically bring a child into a world that is already so overcrowded and in shambles, especially when there are so many kids up for adoption. Should I have a kid it will almost certainly be adopted@Romaq