Post AZtTPaX7dwMGuPRPrE by emaksovalec@emacs.ch
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(DIR) Post #AZszg2zmakDxBvmMiG by drewdevault@fosstodon.org
2023-09-18T08:19:49Z
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Why is it okay to exclude the far right from your communities while welcoming the far left?Well, to summarize it as succinctly as possible, the far left basically wants to rebuild the economic system and the far right wants to kill all of the Jews.
(DIR) Post #AZtTPaX7dwMGuPRPrE by emaksovalec@emacs.ch
2023-09-18T14:04:57Z
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@me @drewdevault >It explains why the right is so obsessed about building this image of unity, uniformity, single-mindedness, power, tradition, pseudo historical justifications, etc...If you frame it that way you could also claim that a political shift from far left to far right is very much possible given how history went in many ex-socialist states.
(DIR) Post #AZty2hcyCK3QpWkAZk by emaksovalec@emacs.ch
2023-09-18T19:48:12Z
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@me @drewdevault I'm from Slovenia so that is why I'm making that remark in the first place. I'm aware of the right wing attitudes among serbians. I was trying to allude to the transformation of the socialist system from its beginning of social liberation of workers to the secret police, political repression etc. all in the name of defending the social achievements. In essence the left wing becoming conservative in itself.
(DIR) Post #AZutpdPKqdTgVab4a0 by vazub@mastodon.online
2023-09-18T08:26:16Z
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@drewdevault Any ideology taken to extreme is a problem, no matter right or left.
(DIR) Post #AZutpeKPQR8DMbIeXY by drewdevault@fosstodon.org
2023-09-18T08:27:26Z
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@vazub this is stated as a truism. Elaborate: why?Based on our earlier conversations, I think you have a lot of soviet bloc trauma and confuse leftism with authoritarianism.
(DIR) Post #AZutpfAWIgobyDgGlU by latenightowl@social.linux.pizza
2023-09-18T08:39:45Z
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@drewdevault @vazub Far left inevitably leads to authoritanism. We're seeing it all around, not just in history.Let's take the climate activists as an example. They cut tires of big cars, they vandalize historical buildings. And they fly to vacations.They value their opinions over ownership rights of others, and over societal values. That is how a minority tries to rule over majority. By destruction. 'Rules for you, not for me.'It is the same as the far right.
(DIR) Post #AZutpg98fJIx0E2gFc by helgztech@fosstodon.org
2023-09-18T16:24:27Z
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@latenightowl @drewdevault @vazub anarchists are far left and anti-authoritarian. And are not your strawmanned example activists. Anarchism proper works by consensus. Difficult, yes, but that's the ideal.
(DIR) Post #AZutphHKSLRyVusjei by vazub@mastodon.online
2023-09-18T17:16:01Z
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@helgztech Can you present any real-life historical examples of far left / anarchism working properly?@latenightowl @drewdevault
(DIR) Post #AZutpi0LkxSklXwgpU by drewdevault@fosstodon.org
2023-09-18T17:24:09Z
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@vazub @helgztech @latenightowl there are a few. Iceland prey Christianity, 12th century Mediterranean pirates, and upland southeast Asia -- the last is well covered in "The art of not being governed", by James C Scott
(DIR) Post #AZutpikQzcKH4TVUf2 by vazub@mastodon.online
2023-09-18T18:04:44Z
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@drewdevault For the sake of argument, I will accept this for granted for now, although each particular case would be curious to investigate deeper. Now the real question is, do you believe any of these old world examples could be extrapolated on modern society and scale successfully as such? Or if coming from a different angle - why did these presumably successful societies failed to persist? @helgztech @latenightowl
(DIR) Post #AZutpjPuVPVF96ucJE by helgztech@fosstodon.org
2023-09-18T21:14:02Z
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@vazub @drewdevault @latenightowl There are local and global anarchist movements; by definition holding state power is antithetical. Historically anarchism has been quickly snuffed out (as is socialism in the global south) and individuals murdered (see Sacco and Vanzetti; Judith Bari; Pino Pinelli) so no. But 'success' or contol of government wasn't your original concern: the fact remains that 'far left' emphatically does not equate to authoritarianism.https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarcho-a-brief-history-of-anarchism
(DIR) Post #AZutpk0QJei4yLzmDo by vazub@mastodon.online
2023-09-19T06:18:28Z
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@helgztech With regard to mentioning "success", my point was that any such movements were local, isolated, short-lived and therefore proven to be not self-sustainable in the long run. Meaning the anarchism ideology is utopistic at best, and very debatable as a valid option in today's world.And I did not equate far left to authoritarianism, you mistake me for another discussion participant. However, excluding anarchists, other far left are clearly authoritarian.@drewdevault @latenightowl
(DIR) Post #AZutpkiNgDs7AgYsjo by drewdevault@fosstodon.org
2023-09-19T06:29:39Z
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@vazub @helgztech @latenightowl and anarchism does not have to scale to be useful, your book club probably has an anarchist model and it works for them
(DIR) Post #AZxuzO4dOePzH90a9I by SK1ZM@nicecrew.digital
2023-09-20T17:32:51.149366Z
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Horseshoe theory.
(DIR) Post #AZxvHd1uWrGAsDQsQS by Boomerman@poa.st
2023-09-20T17:36:08.618965Z
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The left especially in america are useful bourgeoisie idiots who serve corporate interests. They arent trying to rebuild shit, theyve never built shit. Theyre desperately clinging too power and their easy lifestyle
(DIR) Post #AZxvatn0RQNyM2eLbM by Eiswald@poa.st
2023-09-20T17:39:38.096869Z
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>rebuild the (((economic system)))I can only imagine what sort of nightmares you faggots have envisioned.
(DIR) Post #AZxwtqAaDuqwaIH21Y by Moist_Ratstein@poa.st
2023-09-20T17:47:43.196427Z
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You're fucking retarded, faggot.
(DIR) Post #AZxx4LaIHNEQuYJFyq by Grumblesock@nicecrew.digital
2023-09-20T17:56:09.608938Z
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(DIR) Post #AZxxgfyutKhnAy6TEO by Kang_Kong3@poa.st
2023-09-20T18:03:05.294611Z
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wow. so deep. so humane. so progressive.
(DIR) Post #AZxxijxb4Nhm5wTDwe by Blouie@poa.st
2023-09-20T17:32:48.476484Z
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So you're suggesting that killing all the jews WOULDN'T rebuild the economic system?
(DIR) Post #AZxxjbRCF3sDx5j6wK by Saberfriend@shortstacksran.ch
2023-09-20T18:03:35.473427Z
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@drewdevault The far left wants to rape children. The far right wants children to not be raped. You need to have your hard drive and devices seized, fucking chomo.
(DIR) Post #AZxy6TRw6j13q0yixc by pettanko@varishangout.net
2023-09-20T18:07:42.570029Z
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@drewdevault shut the fuck up communist scum
(DIR) Post #AZxyDjVin7QTg4D6Ku by milk@poa.st
2023-09-20T18:09:03.132956Z
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>the far left basically wants to rebuild the economic system and the far right wants to kill all of the Jews.same thing
(DIR) Post #AZxyLmabEEpDXhKXia by King_Noticer@poa.st
2023-09-20T18:10:30.598952Z
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Glad to see we were all on the same pageBIPARTISANSHIP WORKS EVERYONE
(DIR) Post #AZxzMqAvTvXguLOFXs by AlbinoMutant@poa.st
2023-09-20T18:21:54.900963Z
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Im with the people who dont want to castrate my son, cut the tits off of little girls, murder everyone who identifies as white, burn every church they can and import 500 million bantu savages into europe.
(DIR) Post #AZyM6bEFa9isrgAa5A by chainsaw_appreciator@nicecrew.digital
2023-09-20T22:36:41.647476Z
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People always warn that antisemitism is on the rise, but they never tell you why.
(DIR) Post #AaKwAzX6plrs97ZIAK by meso@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-10-01T20:04:30.657021Z
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@vazub @drewdevault изяж ми кура украинец
(DIR) Post #AaKwoVkcywQdMWjgNk by pernia@cum.salon
2023-10-01T20:11:31.987924Z
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@drewdevault so based!!!! thanks for supporting genocidal authoritarian ideology #2 instread of genocidal authoritarian ideology #1!!!!!
(DIR) Post #AaKwq0aZoSeDIHkT7w by chog9@cum.salon
2023-10-01T20:11:55.001716Z
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@pernia @drewdevault @meowski rape mode enabled
(DIR) Post #AaKwxmQeLN6Rh4oLZY by pernia@cum.salon
2023-10-01T20:13:09.246964Z
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@chog9 @drewdevault @meowski its time 2 RAPE
(DIR) Post #AaKx3qvqVvTBOiIZOq by chog9@cum.salon
2023-10-01T20:14:24.325953Z
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@pernia @drewdevault @meowski gaping drew only available on sr.ht/devaultussy