Post AZTeCraFlwTwWGNy7M by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
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(DIR) Post #AZQqlEfQKDCZhCbl5M by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-09-03T03:43:56Z
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Without looking it up, estimate the percentage of Americans that support climate change action.#EvanPoll #poll
(DIR) Post #AZQqlFvPeFaNb562e8 by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-09-04T03:55:52Z
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Interesting results!I posted this poll after reading about an article in Nature. Apparently 80-90% of Americans dramatically underestimate the support for climate action among their fellow citizens.Support for climate-positive policies are at 67-80%, but Americans estimate support to be around 37-41%.So, about 2/3 of Americans support climate action, but most of us think it's closer to 1/3.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-32412-y
(DIR) Post #AZQqlHNoE9tW7ROEXw by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-09-04T03:58:39Z
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About 57% of respondents to my poll got it right (let's say 50-100% is "right"). Much higher than the general populace. Kudos!Thanks to everyone who responded or replied.
(DIR) Post #AZSA04aibCfpz2iB60 by raccoon@writing.exchange
2023-09-03T15:55:48Z
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@spraoi @nm @evanI looked it up, and every source, even CATO, agrees cars emit between 20% and 30%, less than a third of US GGE.Even if it were though, the auto and oil industry has pushed huge amounts of money into blocking government efforts to make cars more fuel efficient, public/mass transit more effective, shutting down efforts to develop electric cars for decades, and funding climate denial.Sure, people can and should make personal changes, but capitalism is the main issue here.
(DIR) Post #AZSA0EXBdBn4oz8Uym by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-05T09:50:06Z
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@raccoon> people can and should make personal changes, but capitalism is the main issue hereAgreed. I manage not to own a car, but I don't have children, nor do I often do jobs that involves going to workplaces. I walk, bike, and use public transport, but I also car pool. But shopping or transporting large items are exhausting missions that take up the good part of a day. Or I borrow a car.I can always feel I'm swimming against the tide of the dominant economic system.@spraoi @nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZTCRPVfdRiZ4pOG8W by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-05T21:52:12Z
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@spraoi> But carfree living somehow just seems so completely normal to meHow carfree is it really though? There's a big difference between not owning one, and *never* using one.@raccoon @nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZTeCraFlwTwWGNy7M by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-06T03:03:19Z
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@spraoi> We take a bus sometimes. That's as close as it getsGood effort. But I'm guessing you live in a place that facilities car-free living, eg you have buses available. A person who lives in a rural area with no public transport doesn't have the same options. Which is why I agree with @raccoon that changing systemic affordances and incentives is more important than urging people to take personal responsibility. Because those constrain how much they can.@nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZVHMCc136iLiMc8Wm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-06T21:56:38Z
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@spraoi> I'm not trying to argue that we shouldn't pursue systemic change. But we should also take personal responsibility. We should do bothSure. But...... distinguishing between social and personal responsibility, as if they're not two faces of the same coin, is typical of both ultra-conservative and neoliberal ideology. So people who reject such ideologies, tend to be suspicious of discourse that focuses on personal responsibility.@raccoon @nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZVI5RY6MRGV4VM7MG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-06T22:04:51Z
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@spraoi> So of course I live in a walkable city, and of course it's an easy carfree commute to work. And obviously the kids get subsidised bus passesAll of these choices and affordances are the result of systemic changes that you didn't have to personally make. They allowed you the option of living a car-free life with minimal sacrifice to your convenience and quality of life. We need to work on giving everyone access to choices and affordances that are similar or better.@raccoon @nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZVJgrTz0GVmAipriS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-06T22:22:54Z
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@spraoi> there's always some lip service to personal responsibility, but they don't walk the talkExactly. Because the reason they cite personal responsibility is to deflect the need for systemic change. In conservative and neoliberal ideology, all systemic change is either a) an emergent of decisions made by individuals in isolation, or b) authoritarian and illegitimate.@raccoon @nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZVK13xiJYD4fUNHsW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-06T22:26:33Z
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@spraoi> Rather it's a basic right from the 1848 and 1999 constitutionsPutting a right to public transport in the constitution, and political decisions that uphold it, are both examples of things that can't emerge from a network of uncoordinated, individual decisions. In other words, they are systemic changes.@raccoon @nm @evan
(DIR) Post #AZVf1QHnPe8MwSmTXE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-07T02:21:56Z
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@spraoi> I don't know who you think you're arguing withNot arguing, just exploring why people tend to push back on discourse that emphasizes individual actions, especially when it implies a moral judgment against people who aren't taking them.> I also think that as individuals we need to do what we can, in part to bolster our arguments about collective action, and in part to serve as an exampleAgreed. But again...https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/111020434929883019@raccoon @nm @evan