Post AYyJPHQfc653cTkUm8 by beka_valentine@kolektiva.social
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(DIR) Post #AYyJPGRLI71YYH3WBU by beka_valentine@kolektiva.social
2023-08-21T23:42:53Z
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its kind of wild to me that there's been so few new features in browsersi mean like, i just found myself disliking the size of an image, so i wanted to scale it up. ok fine i can zoom the page inbut why can't i just zoom the picture???? that's the only thing that was too small to read
(DIR) Post #AYyJPHQfc653cTkUm8 by beka_valentine@kolektiva.social
2023-08-21T23:44:12Z
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browsers are fossils now. instead of being hypermedia browsers with ever improving features for how you can interact with and utilize that hypermedia, they're vehicles for web apps that define and constrain behaviori hate it
(DIR) Post #AYyYuz8YeoJnSzqxhw by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-08-22T03:08:07Z
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@beka_valentine Actually that's a great idea!
(DIR) Post #AYyZR5Q4pmksDbM3IO by beka_valentine@kolektiva.social
2023-08-22T03:13:53Z
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@tomjennings i know
(DIR) Post #AZ00AwGG0cSp6LFK7c by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-08-22T19:48:15Z
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@beka_valentine Sorry, awkward wording.As soon as I read your words the idea "seemed obvious" -- obviously it isn't since it's not done but hell yeah, right-click context menu or whatever, real image options!
(DIR) Post #AZ2A0ioOXw5YLnttYm by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T19:54:54Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling so a thing to note here is that we see the several recent efforts to distribute containerized apps on Linux as a conflict between ideologies, which is manifesting at the technical level
(DIR) Post #AZ2A0jkB56JFF0w2cq by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T19:55:46Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling Linux is organic and messy and different for everyone BY DESIGN, that was the original intent, and it is a lot of what makes Linux good - for a certain concept of "good". a certain concept which gives very little heed to the needs of corporations to save costs.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A0kbhs57xv1yn3o by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T19:57:03Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling corporations would prefer to invent entire new app standards rather than integrate with Linux as it is, because containers let them bundle up whatever over-engineered, resource-wasting, privacy-invading schlock they want to foist on the public, without going through that messy process of talking to each distribution's maintainers about what the distro's community needs out of this.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A0lOcwCG8MkrrJQ by ShadSterling@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:16:06Z
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@irenes @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine is there an app standard that an Indy developer can target that every user can then install on whatever distro they happen to have? I can’t imagine any Indy developer having the ability to negotiate with hundreds of distros about it
(DIR) Post #AZ2A0lZcHL38uq0dRQ by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T19:57:27Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling we think it's quite foolish of distros to buy into this in any measure whatsoever.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A13JyIFELxWpOYS by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:17:20Z
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@ShadSterling @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine no, but if their goals aren't commercial that's not a problem, because they can just publish the source code and if their thing interests people, distro maintainers will pick it up at some point. or if they want it to happen faster, they can talk to the distro people and find out how to help.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A151xwA13GGQ2lc by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T19:59:07Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling fundamentally there is no possible future in which corporations that aren't specifically focused on a highly technical audience, routinely distribute software intended to run on "Linux", and "Linux" is still what it is today. that will not happen because corporations have no interest in spending money on it, it doesn't pay the kind of returns they want in terms of captive audiences.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A16KR6yNvHq4JCC by linear@nya.social
2023-08-23T20:36:04.201Z
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@irenes@mastodon.social @ShadSterling@mastodon.social @mos_8502@oldbytes.space @tedchoward@mastodon.social @beka_valentine@kolektiva.social seconded on this.i maintain packages in some more obscure distros. you will not package your app for my distro, and i do not expect you to. all i want from you is to give me the ability to package and distribute the thing myself, and send you fixes if i run into any issues. i'll do the rest.in my experience, more often than not, if you try to use some tool or framework or standard that claims to help you target a bunch of things and make it more cross-platform, that actually makes my job harder, because you're not taking away incorrect assumptions your app makes, you're just adding new incorrect assumptions that said framework makes.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A17oxYyOXunMCPY by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T19:59:56Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling protocols, however, would allow independent third parties to write their own Linux tooling that interoperates with the corporate platforms - without shipping corporate code to run on end-user machines.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A18Tj7P0LxEQkxE by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:17:54Z
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@ShadSterling @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine the problem that app containers solve is only a problem for people who want BOTH a fast turn-around AND to not have to talk to anyone at the distro.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A1Ehly5nzGX33gG by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:00:26Z
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@mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine @ShadSterling this is clearly possible because it's what everyone was doing with email, Usenet, FTP, ... before the web
(DIR) Post #AZ2A1JbDlsXGRf1OfA by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:19:37Z
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@ShadSterling @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine it is also the case that getting your thing into Debian, RedHat, Nix, and gentoo will get it to most people. it's really only a few distros you need to deal with directly because nearly everyone else is downstream from one of those. it just takes a bit longer.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A1KPujP5Kysjsg4 by linear@nya.social
2023-08-23T20:41:22.684Z
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@irenes@mastodon.social @ShadSterling@mastodon.social @mos_8502@oldbytes.space @tedchoward@mastodon.social @beka_valentine@kolektiva.social containerizing it often has the same problem: if you containerize it, i'll bet you or your container tool is going to make the assumption that i'm running on an x86_64 computer.i'm not. i'm running 64-bit little endian powerpc. (yes, it still exists)so i won't be able to run your container without some nasty hacks on my side.but if you make your build infrastructure open, if you make the process for building your software something i can go look at (even if it's not properly "open source"), then that means i can go poke at it and make it work for me if something is broken
(DIR) Post #AZ2A1MwFMA8WnjsjLs by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:20:21Z
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@ShadSterling @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine companies that are pushing their app-store-for-Linux things like to talk up how many distros there are as if it's an unimaginable nightmare, but it is NOT that bad.
(DIR) Post #AZ2A1PbRRyHF45Aeq8 by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:22:02Z
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@ShadSterling @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine also note that the package managers at the cores of the distros we listed are, in some sense, app standards. there's a few of them because, well, there's a few of them :) but as with all standards, adding another one doesn't make FEWER
(DIR) Post #AZ2A1gi5qUhO7dPi4G by irenes@mastodon.social
2023-08-23T20:23:05Z
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@ShadSterling @mos_8502 @tedchoward @beka_valentine (in another sense they're not app standards, they're software standards, because "app" is a very uh... marketing-centric notion of what software can be. the things an app can do are more restricted than the things a program can do, intentionally so, so that customers know what they're getting. it's like a McDonald's Happy Meal: you put the thing in a tidy box so people feel like they know what it is.)
(DIR) Post #AZ2A9xNxjOPa9kwNPc by dalias@hachyderm.io
2023-08-22T02:38:41Z
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@mos_8502 @beka_valentine I don't see this as a problem at all. What I see as a problem is that web apps want control of UX rather than being limited to a translation layer that puts the thing you're interacting with in a semantic form that your user agent lets you interact with on your own terms - and that browser vendors were all too willing to surrender and give them this.
(DIR) Post #AZ2APRQIKmgzezPnKS by linear@nya.social
2023-08-23T20:48:12.453Z
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@irenes@mastodon.social @ShadSterling@mastodon.social @mos_8502@oldbytes.space @tedchoward@mastodon.social @beka_valentine@kolektiva.social this might seem like a niche case, given the past decade and a half or so of computer history. but i assure you it's only going to become more of a concern as time goes on, now that ARM and risc-v are becoming increasingly available for server and desktop uses