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(DIR) Post #AYxLbaco4jtjNaSmGW by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:04:07Z
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For those who believe todays music, video games & movies are causing mass shootings:You are WRONG.If this was the case it would happen all over the world. Here in Europe we listen to the same music, play the same games & enjoy the same movies but we do not have daily mass shootings because we don’t have the GUNS.GUNS are WRONG
(DIR) Post #AYxLhCzspt8Hpvw7Y8 by vitaminsludge@mastodon.ie
2023-08-21T13:05:10Z
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@stux in different languages
(DIR) Post #AYxLsvhwwVl3gq8Z1s by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:07:14Z
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@yakumo_izuru So if you take away the guns….?
(DIR) Post #AYxLvjFxh2l3wQNfYu by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:07:49Z
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@stux actually no.#eurole has even more illegal guns per capita thx to two world wars, the cold war, balkan wars and #EUgunban. What is different in #Europe - including #Switzerland where people can still legally buy #MachineGuns new - is that we don't reward said acts of #StochasticTerrorism with screentime.Guns ain't the problem but people.Otherwise #Canada, #Serbia, #Slovenia and #Germany would've equal amouns of #MassShootings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VQULyT390
(DIR) Post #AYxM1rpCkUjqFlnBFg by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:08:54Z
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@yakumo_izuru correct but I’m talking about ‘mass shootings’ 🤷
(DIR) Post #AYxM2WMw0VUDzxsgNc by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:09:03Z
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@stux Guns don't kill people.Crazy-ass Americans with guns kill people.If only there was a way to make sure crazy-ass Americans don't have guns... #hmmm
(DIR) Post #AYxM6xIro8dIgz5oie by davey@toot.wales
2023-08-21T13:09:44Z
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@stux reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/ICG0MuzEYzw (you probably know it's /s)
(DIR) Post #AYxM9yl0rHG84QhR3I by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:10:00Z
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@yakumo_izuru uhu
(DIR) Post #AYxMenXGd8kMFBxwRM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:15:56Z
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@vitaminsludge For me it's always English :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AYxNOwGsU2aoerIkbI by Yami_no_senshi@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:24:18Z
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@stux I also heart people saying Anime make people violent it’s all so dump. But one think is sad about your posts we all consume the same stuff and it’s like everyone just consumes the Mainstream Media from Hollywood but I personally stopped watching Hollywood Movies at lest the bew ones because the quality of the movies / Series get worse and worse every year I much more enjoy Anime or Korean dramas
(DIR) Post #AYxNSOJQgRmyUk8oHw by Yami_no_senshi@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:24:52Z
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@stux @vitaminsludge for me it’s often Japanese with German subtitles 😎
(DIR) Post #AYxO6HN9uBBYYRuCwK by Jantar@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:32:07Z
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@stux Guns aren't wrong.I'm with the NRA on that one: guns don't kill people.Mind you, their conclusion is mental.It's precisely because it is people who kill people that you should never allow them near a gun.
(DIR) Post #AYxOKOjlJwAxRwD79U by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2023-08-21T13:34:44.309123Z
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There are a lot of societies with guns that don't have mass shootings. Commonplace mass shootings for whatever reason are a uniquely American phenomenon. My hypothesis rolls around two different things.The first, not the guns themselves, but the attitude towards the guns. I don't know of anywhere else on Earth that guns are considered as a very first resort sort of solution to problems with other people. Canada only very rarely has school shootings, and it's considered to be a big deal if they do happen. And Europe has had some school shootings as well, they do happen other areas of the world just not as commonly. But you can see it even in the gangs that come to Canada from the us. Canadian gangs are very rarely used firearms, but American gangs are coming in through toronto, and they're bringing their American gun culture with them, and now more and more we're seeing criminals carrying guns in canada.The second, is the overprescription of antidepressants. I've conceptualized antidepressants as emotional morphine. Whatever you are feeling gets the volume turned down. Now in the case of negative emotions like depression, that might be a good thing. But sometimes those emotions are things like discussed at the idea of going to shoot up your school. It's one of the same reasons that suicide rates are so much higher amongst people who are prescribed antidepressants, because the powerful emotion that would stop someone has been repressed by the drug.In switzerland, every able-bodied man between certain ages has a military rifle at home in case they get conscripted into military service. So obviously just having guns around doesn't automatically cause these things, because Switzerland has a very low instance of gun crime.
(DIR) Post #AYxOUm5HN6RkksDsSe by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:36:32Z
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@Jantar So you would first enrtrust people with guns to see who’s gonna shoot someone else and after that keep them away from guns? :blobcatgiggle: I would start by keeping the general people away from guns in the first place, most of them only feel they need them because other do the sameAnd so the circles goes around
(DIR) Post #AYxOn4jCnCBdn5cm8G by roanescence@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:39:41Z
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@stux true. But having these games, music video & stuff WITH ALSO HAVING ACCESS 2 GUNS AND HAVING THESE MASS SHOOTING INSTANCES AS EXAMPLE FOR THEM is the full argument ig.Cus it sure does make it feel like ur in game. when a kid gets depressed & picks up gun. So all of the three things contribute to the mass shootings. In EUP they aren't so many guns, hence no instances of mass shootings to make it a norm.So to eliminate the problem— take the guns and other elements get eliminated itself.
(DIR) Post #AYxPBgPSLT6zbk7YDA by olmitch@shitposter.club
2023-08-21T13:44:24.956352Z
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@sj_zero @stux simple, the shootings don't happen naturally. Other countries aren't having to deal with disarming a free people that outnumbers the standing army by many factors.
(DIR) Post #AYxPFwzkch0aCl8GR6 by FallsMom@mastodon.coffee
2023-08-21T13:45:01Z
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@stux In my US, guns are how corporations make $$$ off mentally unstable men, at the cost of school children & shoppers & people out enjoying themselves at bars. And the corporations keep lots of political pals in their pay. Yes GUNS are WRONG.
(DIR) Post #AYxPhAn1RVo4o69vwu by Eddiethebulldog@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T13:49:49Z
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@stux the point of the NRA argument was not to be rational, but be a distraction behind which their supporters can hid from rationality.None of their arguments are good faith arguments.
(DIR) Post #AYxQHuXAqMg36cGRVo by bry@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T13:56:38Z
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@stux they've been trying to play this card since the 90sNo data has ever shown it to be trueAmerican Football and beer is likely responsible for more violence in the States but we can't go there, they're a big sponsor
(DIR) Post #AYxR6CjNSj6G1NxDQ8 by acrousey@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T14:05:41Z
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@stux @yakumo_izuru I will have to agree with Stux here. Unless the person wielding then is experienced and athletic, there won't really be any mass shooting with bow and arrows. Really. Think about it. Hawkeye from the Avengers going on a rampage. That's what you're talking about with bows and arrows.With a gun, you're average Kentucky-fried, armchair, army-surplus-store soldier can lightly pull a trigger 10 times and seriously change the lives of 5-10 other people.
(DIR) Post #AYxSET7mUksb8UsDDs by Mama_H@climatejustice.social
2023-08-21T14:18:24Z
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@stux Finland loves death metal, and yet their crime statistics are well below the U.S.: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/United-States/Crime
(DIR) Post #AYxUGYHeU4V3cmbyNc by binaryhawk@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T13:51:03Z
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@sj_zero @stux You forget one likely possibility: #Americans aren't as smart or righteous as they claim to be! A simple strong #AntiMAGA or #Democratic #GunSafety #vote in primary and general elections will scare the shit out of #republican politicians! Then, watch how fast #America gets GunSafety legislation!
(DIR) Post #AYxUGZHKmjq8i5TEWW by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2023-08-21T14:41:14.229985Z
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If that were the case, then there wouldn't be any school shootings. You might be too young to remember, but I remember 2008 where a strong Democrat president was in charge, and in 2009 they ended up with a majority in the house and a supermajority in the Senate so they could end any filibuster.That seems to be the case with both political parties, once they actually get power they're like a dog chasing a car who catches up to it and doesn't know what to do with it.
(DIR) Post #AYxVAY0ggjvozbNRyK by madoka@donphan.social
2023-08-21T14:51:16Z
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@stux damn, mentioning the fact that uncomplicated access to guns increases the likelihood of people getting caught up in a shooting surely is poking the hornets nest even around these parts of the internet, huh?
(DIR) Post #AYxVzJUyOx38kqkZai by fabiocosta0305@ursal.zone
2023-08-21T15:00:19Z
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@stux "It's hard to be a man when there's a gun in your hand!" (TEARS FOR FEARS)
(DIR) Post #AYxWE7Nbk0cLVqMeYq by tezoatlipoca@mas.to
2023-08-21T15:03:08Z
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@stux Here in Canada we have ~1/4 the #guns per capita as in the US. 34.7 / 100 ppl, vs 120.5 / 100 ppl (yes. there are more civilian firearms than ppl in the US). Bewilderingly, we also have 1/4 the # firearm related death per capita (2.26 / 100k vs. 10.89)Who woulda thought? #guns! hooah! what are they good for, absolutely nuttin!
(DIR) Post #AYxWKFVuPd2yTdAeG0 by Jantar@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T15:04:19Z
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@stux I would never entrust people with guns, because you can't trust people.To venture into the absurd: I wouldn't mind guns owning guns; they wouldn't fire them, after all.
(DIR) Post #AYxWKiD7iYFfTlbYVE by GreyAreaUK@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T15:04:20Z
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@stux America's 2A stopped serving a useful function 50-100 years ago, and now does *vastly* more harm than good. Time to put it to bed.When the leading cause of death in children is firearms, there's a problem.
(DIR) Post #AYxWtPfWeE3c6kR6uG by chromatic@kolektiva.social
2023-08-21T15:10:38Z
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@stux another thing we don't have much here in Europe is Americans from the USA.
(DIR) Post #AYxXjo1pK9niiTqmbQ by Vincarsi@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T15:20:02Z
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@stux even here in Canada, where we have a fair amount of guns (not nearly as many) it's different. I think it's as much the culture connecting machismo to gun violence. Here we see guns as something dangerous, my dad (who hunted) drilled it into my head that you don't point a gun at someone unless you want to see them dead. In the states they're seen as a status symbol, something you wave around for cred. There should be gun safety taught in US schools IMO to counteract the deadly toxicity.
(DIR) Post #AYxXtNr3Ua84R5NZHU by JohnSC@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T15:21:47Z
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@stux You also don’t have Republicans promoting violent behavior. That may be at least as big a contributor.
(DIR) Post #AYxZE4GpbKWjjQrX7o by kaboombox@lor.sh
2023-08-21T15:36:43Z
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@stux It’s the guns.#ItsTheGuns
(DIR) Post #AYxZhsaDcQ5IAi96uW by Fishbed@squawk.mytransponder.com
2023-08-21T15:42:04Z
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@stux the issue isn't guns, it's the American attitude in general. We are nowhere near as careful, nor as caring, as most Europeans.Not to mention we're pretty easily radicalized thanks to the impetus on free speech meaning that radical, terrorist content is really easy to come by and be influenced by.
(DIR) Post #AYxZrdKXBS1DlGScxU by thefwguy@techhub.social
2023-08-21T15:43:55Z
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@stux My 2 cents ... yes, remove the guns and mass shooting will fall drastically. But the obsession of the guns come from an incredible fear, fed by the media (nothing like fear make $$$). Until this irrational fear of everything is present in the american society, NOTHING will change. Is like trying to remove a soother from a newborn !
(DIR) Post #AYxaIXWEtiThYalWmO by shipp@mastodon.coffee
2023-08-21T15:48:43Z
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@stux why people think they're entitled to killing devices with no other function is beyond me. I see no rights to them, they aren't protecting you against anything if you're a regular citizen.
(DIR) Post #AYxdXCBUnj6raxk8Bs by SammyGalen@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T16:25:05Z
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@stux Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people. Guns just make the bullets go reel reel fast.A person could go into a store, hold up a handful of bullets and say 'Gimme all your money or I'll push these into your body!' Of course he would have to deal with the hot coffee thrown onto him while everyone laughs at him.
(DIR) Post #AYxeIqe0Br7wgnnbk0 by GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
2023-08-21T16:33:38Z
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@stux Chris Rock snarked what music was Adolf listening to as a commentary on the Columbine massacre.It's timeless
(DIR) Post #AYxgrZU0BfThVZo4vY by PetterOfCats@mastodon.world
2023-08-21T17:02:17Z
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@stux it's sloppy thinking. we need to think in terms of mass killings not shootings. guns make it "easier" sure, but what are the actual reasons for mass killings. people don't just pick up a gun and then are magically changed into wanting to kill people with said gun. that's a non-thing and horrible logic.the moment we start to actually tackle the issue, look at it, and acknowledge it, can we truly begin to prevent it from happening regardless of it being committed with guns, knives, or cars
(DIR) Post #AYxqlUe0GOqYJ0E1U8 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-08-21T18:53:21.967130Z
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmI like how something this simple is so hard to get a good take on
(DIR) Post #AYxrBM0myuY13sDM3M by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-08-21T18:58:03.811242Z
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take can ever be a good take because even in Switzerland getting a license is trivial and in Spain you’ll see a ton of boomers wielding guns as they go hunting, while places with abundant gun regulations like Illinois, California and New York still get trouble frequentlybut you can also see a provable effect in reduction of violence in cases like the Australian ban
(DIR) Post #AYxrUpW3Vdji4N7rrU by stux@mstdn.social
2023-08-21T19:01:29Z
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@acrousey @yakumo_izuru That! Thank you Adam :blobcathighfive: I think even the most skilled archers do not come even close to any hawkeye scene :bloblaugh:
(DIR) Post #AYxrbaWDfRpVaDQPmy by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-08-21T19:02:45.072728Z
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With zero (0) idea of what I’m talking about, I would presume that culture is the cause, and bans might change culture, but only if there’s a minimum of restrictions across an entire market?
(DIR) Post #AYxrdADqPLMSbba7km by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-08-21T19:03:06.279062Z
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I would also presume that the US has terrible mental healthcare issues but :blobcatderpy:
(DIR) Post #AYxrltEwushKXhG95M by wiredfire@mas.to
2023-08-21T19:04:33Z
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@stux does anyone genuinely still think this? I foolishly hoped that noise died down when Jack Thompson finally got debarred 😊
(DIR) Post #AYxsARxZTsjlApqGwa by draftexcluder@mastodon.nz
2023-08-21T19:08:58Z
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@stux Guns don't kill people. People who say "guns don't kill people" kill people, with guns.
(DIR) Post #AYxw86YMUzZ81IBhk8 by birwin@mas.to
2023-08-21T19:53:24Z
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@stux Can I also add that the most popular movie genre (in the USA at least) in the 50s/60s we’re westerns. The plot of nearly every western was: yada yada yada, and then people shoot at each other. In the 80s, the A-Team was a top 5 TV show for a couple years. The final 5-10 minutes ALWAYS included a frenzy of bullets (and often explosions) that would put Wolfenstein to shame. Gun supporters have never really opposed depictions of gun violence. They just dislike games/music.
(DIR) Post #AYxwao8i2WgtJBsLsu by UncivilServant@med-mastodon.com
2023-08-21T19:58:14Z
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@stux If video games caused shootings, shouldn't Seoul and Tokyo be burnt-out post-apocalyptic hellscapes by now?Last I checked their primary issues are the usual "large wealthy metropolis" types of stuff.
(DIR) Post #AYxz9jYxFPAH9qvwES by muratk5n@fosstodon.org
2023-08-21T20:27:18Z
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@stux A lot of their core political agreement is bound up to a very jaded view of freedom, right and left exercise it differently, mostly in bizarre ways https://muratk5n.github.io/thirdwave/en/2023/06/evil-geniuses.html#bargain
(DIR) Post #AYy62COCt0LZvOGCuW by jacobrealo@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T21:44:21Z
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@stux People said the same things in the 90s.
(DIR) Post #AYyX59vnBDxdvobcYK by lewiscowles1986@phpc.social
2023-08-22T02:47:26Z
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@stux so Russia and other countries with guns, like Turkey have this issue too?Perhaps it's just being shitty people as a society, but I get that is a less sexy proposition than "it must be the boom-boom sticks".Not suggesting guns are "good", but they don't tend to take over minds elsewhere to the degree they do in at least one country I can think of.
(DIR) Post #AYyY3GNyJMQTKCRjm4 by DYSX@mastodon.world
2023-08-22T02:58:16Z
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@stuxmake a poll: where is a person more likely to be shot? 1. American shopping mall 2. Kyiv cbd you'd think kevlar'd be flying off the shelves in the US
(DIR) Post #AYygLNAcckJZDGLepE by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2023-08-22T04:31:13Z
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@stux I mean mass shootings predate the existence (or even the physical possibility) of videogames, so that alone really should have been the end of it. And music and movies were *very* different in 1949... (First official US mass shooting.) I recognize that some people want an easy scapegoat so they can try to squeeze by around the elephant in the room, but it just never made sense to pick those for anyone really capable of logic or reason. Sadly too few are though I guess.
(DIR) Post #AYyziQxab8Hekwxiz2 by jurjen1973@mastodon.nl
2023-08-22T08:08:14Z
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@stux I have loads of guns… but only in games.
(DIR) Post #AYz3sQUFbzMK08GA3U by Peternimmo@mastodon.scot
2023-08-22T08:54:54Z
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@stux a comparison of gun death rates by head of population says all you need to know
(DIR) Post #AYzRG0fPYjqPokh75c by Jamesivan96@mastodon.social
2023-08-22T13:16:51Z
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@stux GUNS are not the problem. The problem here in the U.S. is all of the loopholes in our gun laws that make it easier for the wrong people to legally obtain firearms. There's the gun show loophole where they don't require any kind of I.D. or background checks. There's also the ghost gun kits being sold on the internet. Everyone who wants to own a firearm should HAVE TO buy it from a reputable authorized dealer, where they have to show I.D. and pass background checks.