Post AYw7cL9TUqVdADFNom by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
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(DIR) Post #AYvmW9P0AbyVwqiWPI by RadicalGraffiti@todon.eu
2023-08-20T18:40:18Z
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"Let's burn this capitalist system down"Spotted in Amsterdam
(DIR) Post #AYvmWAQ6O0Rv6YEulE by 1dalm@deacon.social
2023-08-20T18:52:59Z
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@RadicalGraffiti Them: "Lets burn this capitalist system down!"Me: "Right on! We'll start with [insert capitalist thing they use and/or enjoy]!"Them: "That's not what I mean. I mean [insert other capitalist thing]."Me: Sorry, man. You can't have [capitalist thing they use and/or enjoy] without [other capitalist thing]."
(DIR) Post #AYvmYhpj7xEXJUR600 by mayonesa@berserker.town
2023-08-20T18:56:51Z
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@1dalm @RadicalGraffiti I like capitalism. It works, unlike all the other options.The problem is that when you have no culture and a society that exists as a tax system, you end up with malignant business.
(DIR) Post #AYw00JnHOj0KGimviq by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T21:27:30Z
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@mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti I like capitalism. It works, unlike all the other options.Have you been outside in the last 15 years?The problem is that when you have no culture and a society that exists as a tax system, you end up with malignant business.Pure ideology. Like the things don't even connect.
(DIR) Post #AYw0DKcBekdWa0nxyK by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T21:29:51Z
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@1dalm @RadicalGraffiti We'll start with [insert capitalist thing they use and/or enjoy]!I mean how even? One cannot really take a bite against a single part of the system without at least trying to tackle it all
(DIR) Post #AYw0yXFiUIpnNvnqoi by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T21:38:19.005737Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti where has been communism in the same time span? Dead. Because it's a stupid doctrine that only gives hopes to the resented and talentless. Let's share a word of our beloved Uncle Ted about leftists:
(DIR) Post #AYw1Ie0F6EP0739bKC by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T21:42:01Z
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@SunMcNukes @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti Dead. Because it's a stupid doctrine that only gives hopes to the resented and talentless. Let's share a word of our beloved Uncle Ted about leftists:Both of these are just lot of words that explain absolutely nothing
(DIR) Post #AYw1akKwHzd8y9SyMC by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T21:45:12.148267Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti just like your word salad about "cApiTaLisM". We're even then, except for the fact that I'm glad for not being a freeloader.
(DIR) Post #AYw289C0tc2hcCDaTI by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T21:51:19Z
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@SunMcNukes @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti just like your word salad about "cApiTaLisM".The falling rate of profit and worker exploitation are both directly related to economics thou, much more so than something as nebolous as culture (which, if you really wanna connect to econonics, you gonna explain how they're connected).We're even then, except for the fact that I'm glad for not being a freeloader.Hmmm... are you a landlord or a buisness owner with employees by any chance?
(DIR) Post #AYw2zgv8EBDzZFqz5c by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T22:00:53.892413Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti wrong. Let's start with the europoors who wrote that graffiti. The EU controls every single aspect of their lives by extracting half their income as taxes and then splitting that bounty among the oligarchs. The EU is a socialist dumpster fire by design, funding shenanigans from proxy wars to farm evictions to useless postgraduates who keep the lie running. There's no free market in that!Secondly, Marxism is so fake and ghey that I don't even fit in those profit positions you describe. My sole existence proves that his Work-Value fantasy is a lie.Do you know what Marxism is good for? Weight loss!
(DIR) Post #AYw3rsGuExV8PUsIsK by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T22:10:47Z
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@SunMcNukes @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti wrong. Let's start with the europoors who wrote that graffiti. The EU controls every single aspect of their lives by extracting half their income as taxes and then splitting that bounty among the oligarchs.False. Source? I live in the EU.The EU itself doesn't have any tax-imposing effects, the reason for the high taxes in most of europe is due to the public debt that neolibs refuse to get rid of, as it would enable the states to potentially free themselfs from the financial markets and purse other ends.The EU is a socialist dumpster fire by design, funding shenanigans from proxy wars to farm evictions to useless postgraduates who keep the lie running. There's no free market in that!The EU and it's ancestors (starting from CECA) where started as an anti-soviet economic alliace to form a block against the soviet unions and it's allies. Honestly where did you pick this ahistorical garbage?Secondly, Marxism is so fake and ghey that I don't even fit in those profit positions you describe.A) You're again saying a bunch of words that don't explain anything about the subject at hand (Marxism in this case) or why it's bad and ghei.B) I was guessimg TBH. Honestly if you're a proletarian this only moves you from the "class enemies" bucked the "stockholm syndromed" bucket.My sole existence proves that his Work-Value fantasy is a lie.WokeMarxismYou never even read about what marxism is even about did you? But I guess it's tipical of rightoids to just ball together anything from shitliberism to Marxism-Lenninism and pretend it's the same thing.Do you know what Marxism is good for?Do you know what Marxism even is?
(DIR) Post #AYw5E6W23uQCuc77Ro by 1dalm@deacon.social
2023-08-20T22:25:59Z
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@moffintosh @SunMcNukes @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti Please remove me from this thread. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #AYw7cL9TUqVdADFNom by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T22:52:43.973844Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti @SunMcNukes @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti False. Source? I live in Italy, EU.> Socialist place that the Germans taxes keep moving.The EU itself doesn't have any tax-imposing powers, the reason for the high taxes in most of europe is due to the public debt that neolibs refuse to get rid of, as it would enable the states to potentially free themselfs from the financial markets and purse other ends.> So they do socialize your income. Socialism in deed.The EU and it's ancestors (starting from CECA) where started as an anti-soviet economic alliace to form a block against the soviet unions and it's allies. Honestly where did you pick this ahistorical garbage?> A State is always socialist, the EU as a super-State is also a socialist State.A) You're again saying a bunch of words that don't explain anything about the subject at hand (Marxism in this case) or why it's bad and ghei.> You just can't win with your propagandistic scripts. B) I was guessimg TBH. Honestly if you're a proletarian this only moves you from the "class enemies" bucked the "stockholm syndromed" bucket.> Example of your propagandistic scripts.You never even read about what marxism is even about did you? But I guess it's tipical of rightoids to just ball together anything from shitliberism to Marxism-Lenninism and pretend it's the same thing.> TL; DR it's garbage.Do you know what Marxism is good for?> Weight loss.Do you know what Marxism even is?> The losers' excuse.
(DIR) Post #AYw80SBH0xFbuiaQgC by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T22:57:06.397812Z
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@moffintosh @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti @mayonesa see? You barely adopted fighting on the internet. I was born with it, mold with it, I have kicked tanking asses from a phone modem connection and know every single excuse they have.At this point I'm just taunting you.
(DIR) Post #AYw888N6Y3XsnFmbCq by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T22:58:29.655670Z
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@1dalm @moffintosh @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti please don't leave us, I'm here to entertain you.
(DIR) Post #AYw8usNcnFa5NzGgZk by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T23:07:22Z
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@SunMcNukes @mayonesa @1dalm @RadicalGraffiti Socialist place that the Germans taxes keep moving.So they do socialize your income. Socialism in deed.A State is always socialist, the EU as a super-State is also a socialist State.Quite odd then that Marxism argues for the violent overthrown of the state and then to abolish it .You just can't win with your propagandistic scripts. Points out that you haven't actually connected A to BMuh propagandaThe rest is just libel with no actual argument.
(DIR) Post #AYwBfE7sTSjy3j8FP6 by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-20T23:38:05.940304Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti I rest my case by pointing out that Marx was never an anarchist and he just hated "the burgeois", a fictional enemy that ironically described Engels. As I said, your goal is to end your own poverty with other people's work. You will never be the Dear Leader but the gray guy in the coal mines, because that's what happens to the NPCs in collectivist regimes.Nothing to discuss here, go back to clean those tables and read again the Communist Manifesto afterwards. Bye.
(DIR) Post #AYwDYewcZ6yl7GrZDM by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-20T23:59:22Z
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@SunMcNukes @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti I rest my case by pointing out that Marx was never an anarchistBecause anarchism is individualist, but most importantly highly idealist. It doesn't really analyze trends in society or even economic relations. He wasn't an anarchist for those reasons.and he just hated "the burgeois", a fictional enemy that ironically described Engels.Bourgie is a category dicated by one's relationship to the means to produce stuff, which isn't fictional as it included people in the real world like, as you pointed out, Engels.As I said, your goal is to end your own poverty with other people's work.Considering that the short term plan is to basically make the whole economy a single buisness where every worker is also a voting shareholder, that's quite the odd thing to say.Right now, the vast majority of people are workers (ie people who rent their work time) and as any econ class will say to you, they will always be paid less than what they make their boss.That is, people's work is already appropriated by other people, who give their workers no say where the fruits of their labour go to.You will never be the Dear Leader but the gray guy in the coal minesI don't want to become a party leader thou lol. I just want to code and have a house.Also, ironically enough, becoming a miner with modern technologies would be somewhat of an improvement for my generation, as it's a stable job.It's also isn't too hard to form a miner's union when compared to building a union as a gig economy worker. At least everyone works in the same area and likely also lives near each other.
(DIR) Post #AYwMV5JVTziNKNwDC4 by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-21T01:39:33.144427Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti Because anarchism is individualist, but most importantly highly idealist. It doesn't really analyze trends in society or even economic relations. He wasn't an anarchist for those reasons.> Anarchism is all about individual, voluntary relations.Bourgie is a category dicated by one's relationship to the means to produce stuff, which isn't fictional as it included people in the real world like, as you pointed out, Engels.> "Burgeois" is a subjective character used to plunder from entrepreneurs. It's funny how by definition it includes politicians which never get under commies scrutiny.Considering that the short term plan is to basically make the whole economy a single buisness where every worker is also a voting shareholder, that's quite the odd thing to say.> This is false since democracy is an Ad Populism fallacy.Right now, the vast majority of people are workers (ie people who rent their work time) and as any econ class will say to you, they will always be paid less than what they make.> Yes, they're taxed. Otherwise they agree with a voluntary contract.That is, people's work is already appropriated by other people, who give their workers no say where the fruits of their labour go to.> OnlyFans and NFTs contradict this.I don't want to become a party leader thou lol. I just want to code and have a house.> Hard work and capitalism.Also, ironically enough, becoming a miner with modern technologies would be somewhat of an improvement for my generation, as it's a stable job.> LOL no way, city boi.It's also isn't too hard to form a miner's union💀
(DIR) Post #AYwsyKos6mG2LjbG52 by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-08-21T07:43:25Z
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@SunMcNukes @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti Anarchism etc...Yes, and that's one of the reasons it's idealistic and flawed."Burgeois" is a subjective character used to plunder from entrepreneurs.Is it subjective who owns the machinery to produce stuff? Last time I checked, private property didn't chase to be or switch owners basing off the observer. Musk still owns the Tesla plan from a legal standpoint, idipendenly of the observer.It's funny how by definition it includes politicians which never get under commies scrutiny.No? What do they even own as a means of production? If you're equati g taking part in the state as a form of ownership, then that's quite absurd. Going back to the buisness metaphore, board members are elected by the shareholders, but the latter doesn't stop owning the company while there is a board.Considering that the short term plan is to basically make the whole economy a single buisness where every worker is also a voting shareholder, that's quite the odd thing to say.This is false since democracy is an Ad Populism fallacy.I don't see how I'm claiming that it's good because many people agree, or how that means that what we plan on implementing is false🤔.Again, Right now, the vast majority of people are workers (ie people who rent their work time) and as any econ class will say to you, they will always be paid less than what they make.Yes, they're taxed. Otherwise they agree with a voluntary contract.That doesn't follow😂.Even if you had a sound -10% tax, a buisness owner would still have to pay a worker less than what they make them, otherwise they would be gifting them money or the buisness owner would get no profit on employing workers.If a worker makes in a day 100€ worth of stuff after the material costs have been covered, how does a buisness make a money on that, except by selling the thing he made for 100€ and paying him less than that?OnlyFans and NFTs contradict thisThey're both quite marginal phenomena though🤔.OnlyFans in particular seems to fit the definition of a buisness like many others, as they still automatically take a cut over what people post there. It's not people posting nudes are paid money and then they pay a share to the platform, but the consumers paying the platform which then gives a part of that money to those posting nudes.Not sure how NFTs fit here, as they aren't much different from a financial product people speculate on, and doesn't change the reality described above for the vast majority of people.Hard work and Capitalism.Already doing the first with no choice in the second lol.City boiHard but stable job is better than hard but precarious job
(DIR) Post #AYxRxxFrDatff0mCe0 by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-21T14:15:31.203992Z
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@moffintosh @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti @SunMcNukes @mayonesa @RadicalGraffiti Yes, and that's one of the reasons it's idealistic and flawed.> Wrong, it's possible to opt out from the State an anarchist societies exist. It's not easy, tho.Is it subjective who owns the machinery to produce stuff? > Yes it is. Mergers, public companies and globalist vampires like BlackRock prove my point. Marxism can't deal with modern complexity.No? What do they even own as a means of production?> They use the monopoly of violence to coerce and plunder everyone in a certain territory. Meloni lets niggers in as per lobbyists requirement, for example.I don't see how I'm claiming that it's good because many people agree, or how that means that what we plan on implementing is false🤔.> 51% of voters will screw the rest. Always.Even if you had a sound -10% tax, a buisness owner would still have to pay a worker less than what they make them, otherwise they would be gifting them money or the buisness owner would get no profit on employing workers.> Owners risk their capital. Workers just get laid off if bankruptcy happens but the owners loses everything he invested in. Also, workers and owners voluntarily agree in profit ...how does a buisness make a money on that...> Sales, marketing, extra costs non related with labor They're both quite marginal phenomena though🤔.> Yet they prove Marx wrong.... but the consumers paying the platform which then gives a part of that money to those posting nudes.> That's not how it works. Failed.Hard but stable job is better than hard but precarious job> Personal choice
(DIR) Post #AYxS0ujz1QjKjRHLVY by SunMcNukes@xmrposter.club
2023-08-21T14:16:04.064096Z
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@moffintosh @RadicalGraffiti @mayonesa c'mon, give me some original material because you're just giving me the old panflets to me.