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(DIR) Post #AYtg7zXKD9fUMJmrse by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T18:35:17Z
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My god I've been gone for 2 years, I come back the medical system, under biden, has degarded to the worst I have ever seen.. I had to flee the country before due to medical abuse from the system... here we are same problems again... Cant wait for Biden to be out of office... cant come soon enough.#uspol
(DIR) Post #AYtgZFGPqUJKxGsE9g by DaveFernig@qoto.org
2023-08-19T18:40:16Z
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@freemo the root of the problem interestingly is slavery, why unlike all other democracies and some other countries US doesn’t have a not for profit system covering all citizens. Some interesting data and arguments on this in Pikerty’s capital in 21st century
(DIR) Post #AYtggv5ClGAqgLHzlY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T18:41:38Z
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@DaveFernig Huh, not sure i follow.. what does not for profit or slavery have to do with anything?
(DIR) Post #AYtiyyTV5ZZcK3OFqy by Amikke@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:07:21Z
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@freemo @DaveFernig don't you know that not getting stuff you want for free is literally slavery? smh
(DIR) Post #AYtjNuHZoSdqYlhYuG by DaveFernig@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:11:50Z
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@freemo the ideological resistance to a not for profit system covering all citizens arises due to such a system cover the descendants of slaves. Earliest system I know of is Austrian, late 19th century. Holding people Hostage over essentials like insulin is a form of significant non democratic oppression
(DIR) Post #AYtkBFkOnOIjJziH1k by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:20:44Z
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@DaveFernig Ok... but why would experiencing the same abuse I experienced, but at-cost (cheaper) somehow address the abuse? I am still not following.I mean ive been treated in the EU in not-for profit systems and they clearly have their own issues just as bad, but very different in nature.
(DIR) Post #AYtkG2HcHakZ0jWytk by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:21:37Z
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@freemo Wait, you think healthcare is worse now than it was while overburdened with COVID? That has certainly not been my experience.
(DIR) Post #AYtkj7KSbLKt3fjD9M by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:26:51Z
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@LouisIngenthron 1000% worse, but you arent likely to see it unless you actually have significant medical needs.. During covid they took telehealth which made things so easy.. you'd talk to a doctor, get a prescription, they bring it to your door, very little barriers because they didnt want patients to come in.Now not only do you have to go in, but the barriers are insane around anything that puts the slightest risk on the doctor.. spinal injuries or any injury that needs pain meds, expect to be tortured, abused, and sent away at every turn. Have ADHD and need a controlled substance, expect to be refused and denied at every turn even with multiple diagnosis... need sleep medication because you have a sleep disorder, same problem.Before I left those were still issues but if you called enough doctors and tried hard enough, and were willing to travel a bit, you could maybe find a solution. Now the DEA made it illegal for pharmacies to fill prescriptions from more than a few miles away for controlled substances so it has literally become impossible for most people who need medications to get it no matter what... and it is abusive to deny people care entierly, atleast in terms of the system as a whole (I get why doctors do it, the system makes them).
(DIR) Post #AYtm0mndleLQYQMkq0 by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:41:14Z
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@freemo @DaveFernig , the issue stems from the desire to not serve former slave families. It is very much like gun control laws, and most drug laws. They are aimed at minorities as a means to punish them. It ends up harming everyone, but the intent is to harm only minorities. The myth of what the 'welfare queen' looks like is another example.
(DIR) Post #AYtmCAj79EDVwpg6ng by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:43:18Z
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@JonKramer I mean these are all new developments under biden... so I guess I wouldnt be surprised if biden intent was to harm minorities by approving and supporting these policies, I mean lets face it he is wildly racist... but somehow I dont think that was hsi intent.. its hard to see how anyone could think messing up the system this bad could somehow be aimed at minorities, and leave the rich white folks alone.. especially when the issues have nothing to do with money.
(DIR) Post #AYtmGhy3V68MCXpVbM by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:44:10Z
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@freemo , I think this is one issue that is going to finish Biden. He promised a public option, higher min wages, etc, and has not delivered. But, to be fair, the problem isn't Biden only. There is no interest in any major party candidate to actually address the system or to make it more cost effective. Obama made insurance mandatory, but didn't address the root problems, and that is the best that has been done since Nixon made dialysis a individual right.
(DIR) Post #AYtmMBhqMRBhsirMXI by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:45:09Z
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@freemo , it isn't just biden, it's most of society.
(DIR) Post #AYtmRqnJ1X7ClJ7BHU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:46:08Z
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@JonKramer I mean your right, its not limited to biden.. Obamacare already made the system much much worse and the problems started there, biden just followed in his footsteps and made it even worse.Under Trump I didnt notice much change that effected me, but as far as I can tell he wasnt helping matters either, but thankfully he seemed to do less damage than the other two
(DIR) Post #AYtmgwEb4zVRyi4g88 by JonKramer@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:48:55Z
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@freemo trump got shut down by congress. He TRIED to do more harm than others. He did manage to get a few cases in front of the courts that hurt people. In the end, higher costs and less coverage.
(DIR) Post #AYtml497bdElfrTv8a by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T19:49:38Z
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@JonKramer Sounds about right for Trump.
(DIR) Post #AYtno3lNaOnjJFMrdQ by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:01:24Z
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@freemo Trumper.
(DIR) Post #AYtpCtq9iThTjB0hZA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:17:03Z
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@TruthSandwich At this point I've suffered as a result of Bidens mismanagement so much even Trump would be a relief, as horrible as he is.
(DIR) Post #AYtpFUwmizfNOMLlke by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:17:33Z
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@freemo Thanks for admitting what you are: a fascist.
(DIR) Post #AYtpQcUd0f85yqU1ey by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:19:32Z
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@TruthSandwich If desperately wanting the medical system to not torture me at every turn is what you equate to being a fascist, so be it... You want me to stop being a fascist, then vote someone into your party that is both not a fascist and wont continue to make the healthcare system worse year after year.
(DIR) Post #AYtpTqAKdDjNFoWdn6 by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:20:08Z
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@freemo Right, right, because Trump is totally going to care about improving medical care, not destroying democracy while enriching himself.
(DIR) Post #AYtpe2Sbm5sEHVwA1Q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:21:58Z
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@TruthSandwich He wont.. and in fact he might make it a bit worse... but what I know is under Biden it got to a level of abuse from the system I have never witnessed, and couldnt think it even could get worse... Under Trump while it certainly didnt improve, it largely didnt change in any meaningful way for good or bad, at least not that I noticed. So yea, the proof is in the pudding as they say.
(DIR) Post #AYtps7cNObPOKcDmwy by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:24:28Z
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@freemo So you're saying that you know Trump will undermine democracy while not improving the thing you're complaining about, and yet you still support him. Did you buy a MAGA hat yet? I think they have some sized for trolls.
(DIR) Post #AYtq3hr50VnDu8cfYG by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:26:37Z
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@TruthSandwich No.. I am saying that he wont improve things, but he didnt make it worse last time. But the guy in charge right now made it the worse it has ever been in our history... So I wont support Biden and whoever that falls on who winds up winning will be an improvement because at least it means people suffering arent constantly being abused.SinceI wont be voting for Trump, I take no responsibility if he is the one who wins, but as I said, still better than Biden at this point.
(DIR) Post #AYtqCbWxtHgwtbSOps by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:28:14Z
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@freemo In other words, you know that only a vote for Biden stops Trump, but you won't do that. Troll.
(DIR) Post #AYtqQB0pHYHkhktcdk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:30:37Z
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@TruthSandwich No I am saying my primary goal would be to ensure neither of them wins.If in some fantasy world where I had to pick between them, yesterday I would have picked Biden over Trump, as of today I'd be Trump over Biden.Luckily we dont live in that fantasy world and I can safely oppose both.
(DIR) Post #AYtqsPDm30SgsgPfma by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:35:46Z
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@TruthSandwich Not sure why you always try so hard to convince me to vote for Trump instead of a third-party...
(DIR) Post #AYtr1RO5MXS6CpXobQ by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:37:25Z
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@freemo You live in a fantasy world. Whether you vote for Trump or throw your vote away, you'd be helping Trump. The only thing that would change is precisely how much help you're giving him.So, are you a half-assed fascist or a full-assed one? You decide.
(DIR) Post #AYtr9hWzE0nGahe9Ym by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:38:54Z
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@TruthSandwich Which one is more likely to get Biden out of office? A vote for Trump or a vote for third-party?
(DIR) Post #AYtrQIXFPbPrzUgOKO by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:41:56Z
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@freemo Obviously, a vote for Biden, because every day is opposites day for you. Troll.We're done here.
(DIR) Post #AYtrspJx6qtFmX4Fhg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:47:02Z
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@TruthSandwich you are literally at this point the most reported person ever to be on QOTO for trolling... lol sorry but im not the troll here.
(DIR) Post #AYtrxe0oaAF69lPgsy by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:47:57Z
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@freemo Uh-huh, and has a single report been legitimate? Because if it has, then you should shut down my account immediately. But since they haven't, you should stop pretending that I'm the troll here.
(DIR) Post #AYts5V4Bj3J8jFjlFw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:49:21Z
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@TruthSandwich the reports are legitimate, and ivve spoken to you about it. It just isnt against our rules.
(DIR) Post #AYtsygTf0BNi2uxuPg by modrobert@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:48:28Z
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@TruthSandwich In a democracy the politicians have to earn peoples votes, @freemo has the right to vote anyway he likes.
(DIR) Post #AYtsyhiEPUdBsOn3lQ by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:49:15Z
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@modrobert @freemo Yes, he has the right to vote for Trump, but doing so makes him a fascist, just like any other person who does this.
(DIR) Post #AYtsyiOPseNJzEWkW8 by modrobert@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:55:16Z
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@TruthSandwich @freemo As an outsider (not a US citizen), it already looks like fascism to me in USA, the marriage between corporations and government, Biden or not doesn't seem to matter. Nothing really seems to change much between presidents.
(DIR) Post #AYtsyj4FN7ps4y69ia by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:56:04Z
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@modrobert @freemo As an outsider, you need to buy a clue. If you can't distinguish between liberalism and fascism, you are broken.
(DIR) Post #AYtsyjbvLum3lPr3D6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T20:59:13Z
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@TruthSandwich Definition of facism according to the sandwhich: anything that disagrees with his opinion@modrobert
(DIR) Post #AYtuVVM9TFZf45fQQ4 by modrobert@qoto.org
2023-08-19T21:14:39Z
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@TruthSandwich @freemo Granted, as an outsider it's the foreign policy that comes to mind first.
(DIR) Post #AYtuVgSECzyFU7avuy by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T21:15:27Z
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@modrobert @freemo Well, Trump's foreign policy is simple: he'll let Putin do whatever he likes.
(DIR) Post #AYtuVr5Egp7CRzvE6i by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T21:16:25Z
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@TruthSandwich Suprisingly similar to Biden's policy when it comes to russia, china, north korea.... @modrobert
(DIR) Post #AYtupzCUDkSFPsudfs by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T21:20:11Z
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@freemo @modrobert Putin fears Biden.
(DIR) Post #AYtux8N6WLAdt6HsEC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-19T21:21:26Z
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@TruthSandwich No one fears that senile old coot, least of all putin... Hell Biden doesnt even know who Putin is most days.@modrobert
(DIR) Post #AYtwXoFWOiJW9FnCng by mayonesa@berserker.town
2023-08-19T21:39:19Z
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@TruthSandwich @modrobert @freemo Except that he scared Putain into not taking Ukraine, which is the opposite of what Biden did and opposed to Obama letting Russia seize Georgia.Strong leader > weak leaders.
(DIR) Post #AYtwctEhHhp13upUkS by TruthSandwich@qoto.org
2023-08-19T21:40:12Z
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@mayonesa @modrobert @freemoYeah, none of that happened. If Trump walked into the WH, Kyiv would be Putin’s overnight.I think it’s time for me to start blocking the ignorant and dishonest. Freemo excepted.
(DIR) Post #AYu6exjkWL5j8rysjI by olives@qoto.org
2023-08-19T23:32:38Z
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@freemo @LouisIngenthron https://qoto.org/@olives/110918480570082668
(DIR) Post #AYu8p9z02qt9vV6Xbc by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-08-19T23:56:53Z
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@freemo I wanted to say that i'm happy i'm not a us citizen, then i read the thread... and now i want to say it EVEN LOUDER. Good luck with that mess. Would help, but we have our own mess.
(DIR) Post #AYu9ks5migIjEfnTvs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-20T00:07:15Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven Yea it really is a shit hole, and this is just one of the small ways in which it is
(DIR) Post #AYuA2P8X7BNMdyRWd6 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-08-20T00:10:30Z
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@freemo Still convinced that who can make it big should? I have an inkling that this could be related...
(DIR) Post #AYuALeHf1QXL7kt9zE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-20T00:13:57Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven Not sure how it is related.. I mean its not like me having money as a resource has in anyway solved the issue.Moreover this issues only really started kicking in post obamacare.. while the american system was still deeply flawed before obamacare at least at that point it was equally flawed with european systems (although in drastically different ways)
(DIR) Post #AYuAamKxMYW4Rbe2Lo by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-08-20T00:16:43Z
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@freemo Look at the one special thing US healthcare has: absurd profits because no gouvernment control. A thing deeply entrenched, as far as i as an outsider can see. Not Biden, not Dark Brandon on Speed could just change it. People asking 1000 Dollars for insulin are untouchable, from what i hear. You said monopoly control was important, maybe this shows how it is a bit more complicated once everyone is settled in.
(DIR) Post #AYupgujv8BoUMYMjwG by modrobert@qoto.org
2023-08-20T07:57:13Z
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@freemo Not sure what happened in this thread, but my previous replies are gone, and looks like @TruthSandwich profile is "unavailable".
(DIR) Post #AYvXxmZBAUO5v6CANc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-08-20T16:13:15Z
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@modrobert That happened because the sandwich blocked you.@TruthSandwich
(DIR) Post #AYvx1HhyL0IUEA4hjk by modrobert@qoto.org
2023-08-20T20:54:02Z
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Interesting, yes, I can see @TruthSandwich profile from another browser. So let me get this straight; @TruthSandwich replies to your thread @freemo, accuses you of being fascist for not voting the way he wants, and then he blocks me. You would think that only happened if he was accused of something through replies in his own thread.
(DIR) Post #AZOp1xPFAKhIrOxwXI by DaveFernig@qoto.org
2023-09-03T19:11:10Z
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@freemo abuse is a big issue. Less now than 40 years ago but changing medical culture takes time. To the consternation of some senior clinicians (‘they aren’t learning anything useful like we did”) our medical students now spend time training with actor patients. A start but only that and one problem is how we select for entry into medicine. - empathy is well down the list.
(DIR) Post #AZOrCYE7K3FZrSwOGm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-03T19:35:28Z
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@DaveFernig seem to have the same problem from older doctors. In fact might be worse from the older generation.
(DIR) Post #AZOrblU7ANkoDhRjhg by DaveFernig@qoto.org
2023-09-03T19:40:02Z
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@freemo of course one cannot judge individuals from the average, but indeed empathy considerably lower the older they are, as the older ones had no training in this, so either it was a quality and skill they alfeady had or not. Also the culture of selection for entry and of training meant (and still does to an extent) that empathy was judged to be a ‘weakness’ - so a good deal of macho culture unfortunately.
(DIR) Post #AZOrmcPRFUtlG5R0Lo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-03T19:41:58Z
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@DaveFernig While that seems accurate im not sure how much of it is training vs the system. The change has been too short term (particularly worse the last few years) for it to be a training issue.As best I can understand the issue comes about from the FDA and the legal system which has caused them to be unable to treat and act out of fear of law suits. Plus rules out of the FDA seem to strongly discourage prescription drugs.
(DIR) Post #AZOutCcjoi4lAxUDlg by DaveFernig@qoto.org
2023-09-03T20:16:48Z
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@freemo I cannot speak for the US, other than from the stats (worst system among the rich countries) but in the UK there has been a welcome change though still a long way to go.
(DIR) Post #AZOvYROzmBPKsniqqe by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-03T20:24:14Z
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@DaveFernig The issues I am describing are fairly limited to the US. I have been treated in many european and other non-US countries. While the specific form of abuse I describe here is certainly somewhat unique to the USA I can say with confidence all of the medical infrastructure in europe and much of the world is just as bad, just bad in very drastically different ways. But most of those problems are outside the scope of this post.