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(DIR) Post #AYnT5odRJ4tVcKWHzs by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T18:40:54Z
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Someone just asked me an especially interesting question!If one of the informal words we have for "you" (e.g., "youse," "yinz," "y'all," "you guys") were to beat out the others over time and become an actual formal, accepted word for the plural "you," which one do you think it would be (and why)?[It won't let me make a 5th "other" poll answer, so if your answer is "other," please comment!]
(DIR) Post #AYnTEeT6TYEqgxtly4 by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-08-16T18:42:29Z
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@grammargirl you-stedes ;-)
(DIR) Post #AYnTNtbPZqLoEfBzyC by tomwebster@podcastindex.social
2023-08-16T18:44:12Z
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@grammargirl 5: "All of you." GAWD I hate the other four.
(DIR) Post #AYnTPUf3HN5RScentA by StephanieACain@mstdn.plus
2023-08-16T18:44:23Z
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@grammargirl I’m a lifelong Hoosier and use y’all frequently. It’s not gendered which I think is one reason.
(DIR) Post #AYnTc7YkTwI1ZojKGu by CStamp@mastodon.social
2023-08-16T18:46:32Z
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@grammargirl Depends where in the world. For US, I'd guess "y'all." In Canada, I'd lean towards "you guys," because I have never heard anyone here say, "y'all."
(DIR) Post #AYnTkUoHv86I0IzZ32 by aristofontes@mastodon.social
2023-08-16T18:48:16Z
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@grammargirl I voted for "you guys" because it seems to me the least geographically marked.
(DIR) Post #AYnTofjHGUzB1ldihE by Logophilius@indieauthors.social
2023-08-16T18:48:59Z
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@grammargirl I think it's just a matter of numbers. Y'all seems to have a home in the broadest demographic over yinz and youse. "You guys" is already pretty acceptable, just not in formal language, and I think it'll stay that way.I 150 years, I think apostrophe-less yall will be in a number of dictionaries.
(DIR) Post #AYnTpOM7LSCLQy9MLQ by A_C_McGregor@topspicy.social
2023-08-16T18:49:11Z
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@grammargirl Y'all, because then we can thoroughly troll the people that object to singular they by extending the expression in a regular fashion to create "Th'all"
(DIR) Post #AYnTt3FDmIYr7JfYbw by HollyGoDarkly@wandering.shop
2023-08-16T18:49:45Z
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@grammargirl I lean toward yall because I think it's in wider use than the others already. (I've started using it myself despite being a Yankee-turned-Canadian!)BUT -- I think the apostrophe will eventually go away! Seems like written language evolves to omit punctuation like hyphens and apostrophes. I'm fine with that! Easier typing!
(DIR) Post #AYnTy8eH74llKEoVtY by waynedixon@mastodon.social
2023-08-16T18:50:39Z
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@grammargirl I go with 'y'all' because it's quicker to say instead of "all you all”.
(DIR) Post #AYnUGl431V4VgLkOHY by Logophilius@indieauthors.social
2023-08-16T18:49:58Z
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@grammargirl Unless, of course -- going in the other direction -- we can bring thee/thy/thou/thine back and make you ONLY plural again.
(DIR) Post #AYnUGlwHlqSOOZ7hp2 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T18:54:06Z
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@Logophilius I discussed that with the person who asked the question, but I'm not optimistic about the old words' chances. :)
(DIR) Post #AYnUN9KjhhiWgmbJGy by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T18:55:17Z
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@HollyGoDarkly Ooh! Excellent point about how the apostrophe will likely fade away. I hadn't thought of that.When I was a professor, I was shocked by how many of my journalism students wrote "can't" without the apostrophe.
(DIR) Post #AYnUkViucnQqn533zM by alexhall@mastodon.social
2023-08-16T18:59:25Z
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@grammargirl Sorry... Yinz? Did you make that one up?
(DIR) Post #AYnUlwyamhrBbU4LHk by statesdj@genomic.social
2023-08-16T18:59:41Z
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@grammargirl @grammargirl It's regional. I travel frequently between Ann Arbor and Austin. In Michigan, it's "you guys", even for a mixed gender group. In Texas, it's "y'all".
(DIR) Post #AYnV1mgonX7uKjJ0uu by ggainey@dice.camp
2023-08-16T19:02:19Z
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@grammargirl I said "y'all", but as we all know, that's really the second-person *singular*. Second-person-plural is "all y'all".To my friend: "What server are y'all on?"To my friend-group: "Are all y'all switching to Mastodon?"
(DIR) Post #AYnV3TQTOHRPARSwW8 by pokysharpy@mstdn.games
2023-08-16T19:02:40Z
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@grammargirl Formally, I think "you all" (with its obvious contraction) is the best choice because:a) it's already in widest use among American English speakers.b) it's ungendered.c) it makes syntactic sense. "You all" is clearly a plural "you" and is the easiest to understand for both native and non-native speakers. "Yinz" and "youse" are nonsense words.
(DIR) Post #AYnVDU2VxqGPxy24tE by NealBabcock@wandering.shop
2023-08-16T19:04:42Z
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@grammargirl You all.
(DIR) Post #AYnVKJC2gmDyM0k9y4 by trz@ioc.exchange
2023-08-16T19:05:07Z
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@grammargirl Though I'm a lifelong Midwesterner ("you guys", possessive "your guys's", or youse), I prefer "y'all" because it makes sense to me. Alternate to indicate "everyone" = "all y'all."
(DIR) Post #AYnVPZNfvnEW0Uh3MO by rochelimit@fosstodon.org
2023-08-16T19:06:50Z
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@grammargirlBritish English has 'you lot' commonly used. But I'd go back five centuries when singular/plural was thou/ye. Ye is shorter, and the original plural form.
(DIR) Post #AYnW460W2ut8mOBXea by Dave3307@mountains.social
2023-08-16T19:14:11Z
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@grammargirl I’ve been consciously making the switch to “y’all” for several years. I was a “you guys” person but it’s been pointed out to me that guys is not gender neutral so I’m trying to be more inclusive.
(DIR) Post #AYnWFiY55fY5UzQVvs by rafa_font@mastodon.online
2023-08-16T19:16:14Z
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@grammargirl Genuinely confused about the commentators mentioning that "y'all" is singular.
(DIR) Post #AYnWR35L4pGgNQNzEW by tropenfisch@mastodon.green
2023-08-16T19:18:20Z
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@grammargirl How about going for the singular "thou" or similar, rather than going for the plural of a plural? 😉
(DIR) Post #AYnX9bK392ARIsVjcm by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T19:26:25Z
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@alexhall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinz
(DIR) Post #AYnXL8dFdlMpnTzfJw by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T19:28:33Z
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@Dave3307 I'm doing the same. I grew up in "you guys" land, and try to use something else now although I often fail. It's a process.
(DIR) Post #AYnXSEOEdCnPgKLt0C by royal@theres.life
2023-08-16T19:21:40Z
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@rafa_font @grammargirl Y'all is never singular. It is sometimes not comprehensive, and that's where "all y'all" comes in.This leads to one of the few double-apostrophized words: the possessive form is "y'all's".
(DIR) Post #AYnXSFXUMHnBFJgn44 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T19:29:44Z
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@royal @rafa_font I had a feeling we'd end up with a conversation about "all y'all." :)
(DIR) Post #AYnXaYqQStwbRBVga8 by alexhall@mastodon.social
2023-08-16T19:31:15Z
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@grammargirl Thanks for teaching me. I'd never heard of this.
(DIR) Post #AYnYGCefM8iUmPrkiu by rafa_font@mastodon.online
2023-08-16T19:38:48Z
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@grammargirl @royal Right into it :)How can "y'all" not be comprehensive when it already includes everyone? (in my understanding, that of a European speaker with English as non-mother tongue) Tried googling but couldn't find examples I understand.
(DIR) Post #AYnYIrkNY0KInuo92G by kagan@wandering.shop
2023-08-16T19:39:15Z
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@grammargirl Is this a question of which one we think *will* beat out the others (or is most likely to), or which one we think *should*?I.e., are we betting on the winner of the Big Sportsball Game, or are we rooting for our team?
(DIR) Post #AYnYNTNDaxjieuAgds by Freedom2B@kolektiva.social
2023-08-16T19:39:52Z
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@grammargirl "everyone""all"Because of increased gender diversity awareness an unwillingness to continue appropriating terms that originated with Black People and Black cultures.-a white
(DIR) Post #AYnYULBESLGpH5q86S by mazz@mastodon.wellperns.com
2023-08-16T19:41:21Z
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@grammargirl See, I grew up on "you guys" but feel like "you all/y'all" has an insurmountable lead in existing usage.
(DIR) Post #AYnYywTENNpdcFqn1k by mlanger@mastodon.world
2023-08-16T19:46:38Z
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@grammargirl Although I selected "you guys," I actually don't like it because "guys" connotes males and sometimes there are female (or non-binary) people in the group. So I prefer "you folks."#WordsMatter
(DIR) Post #AYnZoFbiz7ijjlHzOq by Fridays_Child@ohai.social
2023-08-16T19:56:08Z
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@grammargirl I feel like I've been hearing more and more people from outside the southern US using "y'all." It's already on its way to becoming an accepted form. It also has more of a gender-neutral ring to it than "you guys."
(DIR) Post #AYna680A0BcZMPF9Jg by CrackedWindscreen@mastodon.online
2023-08-16T19:59:22Z
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@grammargirl it would never be y’all, but that’s only because I’m British and that is, to my ears, a very American phrase/word. Probably “youse”, if I really had to make a choice.
(DIR) Post #AYnasYibyKui7b82Ns by rollingrock33@me.dm
2023-08-16T20:07:59Z
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@grammargirl yinz. Pittsburgh is the center of the Universe. The Mississippi is a tributary of the Ohio. The Steelers have won Super Bowl 6 times. Michael Keaton and Jeff Goldblum are from Pittsburgh ….. need more reasons ?
(DIR) Post #AYnb8Fr5sAq2Ffa3Bw by willmore@twit.social
2023-08-16T20:11:01Z
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@grammargirl just "guys" Only for groups. Singular is "dude".
(DIR) Post #AYnbBh0LOBnZK2XwgK by jbenjamint@mastodon.scot
2023-08-16T20:11:39Z
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@grammargirl C'mon Mastodon.Scot, get voting. 'Youse' not getting the love it deserves in this poll.
(DIR) Post #AYnbrNycWZNiTGcZNo by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-16T20:19:05Z
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@kagan The question is which on you think *will*n win, but you can definitely root for your team too.
(DIR) Post #AYngm6ABpHvpXxKZHc by bioluminescently@disabled.social
2023-08-16T21:14:08Z
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@grammargirl Strongly depends on geography. In Ireland? Youse, for sure, on both sides of the border.
(DIR) Post #AYniTJ5njPH23IRfYu by shivers@mastodon.ie
2023-08-16T21:33:15Z
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@grammargirl In Ireland ‘ye’ is the most common for you plural so that’s my vote.Also a nice switch from origins of thee and thou.Parts of Dublin also use ‘youse’
(DIR) Post #AYnlgMMVBeRHoqAlSC by ColmDonoghue@mastodon.ie
2023-08-16T22:09:08Z
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@grammargirl yeIt's the formal second person plural in Munster dialect of HibernoEnglish, and HibernoEnglish is the biggest English language bloc of the EU, so should be the std English used in the EU
(DIR) Post #AYno41AfpDiaxI35Y8 by kagan@wandering.shop
2023-08-16T22:35:55Z
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@grammargirl I think "y'all" (and its de-Southernified variant, "you all") has the lead in terms of popularity and will likely win based on that.But I'd personally prefer "youse". It's a simple pluralization of "you" using the standard "add a -s or -z sound on the end to pluralize something" rule.Just as long as we don't go with "you *guys", which is gender-marked. (If some dude tells you "guys is gender-neutral", ask him how many guys he's slept with.)
(DIR) Post #AYnpyUClAKepAkVy2i by robini71@mastodon.social
2023-08-16T22:57:21Z
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@grammargirl Here in #PhillyTown it'd be "yiz" as in "how yiz doin' tiday?" 😁
(DIR) Post #AYo95JqjxjgsDFBeWe by ossobuffo@nc.social
2023-08-17T02:31:28Z
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@grammargirl Thee/thou is the singular, you/ye is the plural.
(DIR) Post #AYoKLSaOLcnpR9RI0W by ChrisBoese@newsie.social
2023-08-17T04:37:22Z
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@grammargirl @Bloomee Y’all is singular. All y’all is the plural.
(DIR) Post #AYoRK5gsgakbolliaW by mark@waterford.international
2023-08-17T05:55:48Z
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@grammargirl “ye” (pronounced yee) is the norm for half of Ireland.
(DIR) Post #AYoVLv8PIt3tTUluPA by ratcatcher@neurodifferent.me
2023-08-17T06:40:59Z
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@grammargirl Ye.
(DIR) Post #AYowSVrSMiXLsdD9ea by EclecticLee@digipres.club
2023-08-17T11:44:42Z
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@grammargirl Not a suggestion, but an anecdote. I sent an email to a coworker using a plural "you". He asked who I meant. I told him to make it "y'all" instead and he was enlightened. (I live in the South.)
(DIR) Post #AYox6wK9OeVjXJuSIa by killick@dmv.community
2023-08-17T11:51:54Z
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@grammargirl @HollyGoDarkly I have no love for apostrophes. I use them, but most of the time the meaning would be just as clear without them. Lots of people are sticking them into novel names, too, just for style, not for clarity.
(DIR) Post #AYpCJ2Qo0w2BGWFX0q by EclecticLee@digipres.club
2023-08-17T14:42:15Z
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@grammargirl @HollyGoDarkly These people obviously do not attend a church with a cantor who cants. 🙂
(DIR) Post #AYpXIQ0ixXNf8wb0Ns by JG@mastodon.nl
2023-08-17T18:37:24Z
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@grammargirl somehow I feel that the options provided here are either lame or possibly offensive. Because referring to people as "you guys", might indicate that categorically a specific group does not form part of "us". Context remains a very important thing though.
(DIR) Post #AYpYSaii62wDCxaJ5k by ordinal@mas.to
2023-08-17T18:50:29Z
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@grammargirl "you guys" is the only non-American option there and also familiar - well "youse" is part of some British dialects as well but still a bit specialised. People know what "y'all" means but they'd only use it if pretending to be American. So I would say that "you guys" would beat the others over time fairly easily and probably already has.
(DIR) Post #AYpas16nK0i4CM6LnU by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-08-17T19:17:23Z
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@grammargirl y'all are right. Now... what's the grammar of "all y'all"?
(DIR) Post #AYsIIk4hRgrXX620no by PeteZ@mastodonbooks.net
2023-08-19T02:33:35Z
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@grammargirl @Logophilius I don’t see that happening either. But Andy has correctly identified why we wound up with all these substitutes in the first place — English doesn’t differentiate between the singular and collective you. And people feel the need. I grew up with “you guys”. But I need a replacement now that I’m trying to be more inclusive. How about a poll for a new and better collective “you”?
(DIR) Post #AZ06Jhh68bngFmMavo by MelodyWainscott@zirk.us
2023-08-22T20:57:01Z
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@grammargirl I’m just seeing this and agree with “y’all”. I have another word not included that you might find interesting. My gg-aunt from extremely rural Tennessee said “you-enz-all.” Youenzall. U-N-Zal. No accent on any syllable.
(DIR) Post #AZ0E1TM3VnqICYL3hI by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-08-22T22:23:13Z
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@MelodyWainscott I don't think I've heard "youenzall" before. How fun!
(DIR) Post #AZ0EIkckYgZ8gTO0uW by MelodyWainscott@zirk.us
2023-08-22T22:26:25Z
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@grammargirl Ooo, I like your spelling !