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(DIR) Post #AYSnxgNhQJoXHMqUuO by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-06T19:24:32Z
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An argument for taxing vehicles by weight, including EVs: https://slate.com/business/2023/01/electric-cars-hummer-ev-tax-fees-weight-joe-biden.html
(DIR) Post #AYSnzc5mLCmUYXNsdU by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2023-08-06T19:26:17.405075Z
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@clive 🚴
(DIR) Post #AYSoGhFIQwdLSiyvzs by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-06T19:28:25Z
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@Zergling_man yes yes!
(DIR) Post #AYSoe3vYGooIT5t7tQ by kentborg@social.tchncs.de
2023-08-06T19:32:42Z
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@clive That seems obvious. (What are the arguments against it?)
(DIR) Post #AYSpL4dhUyDR8331qC by zleap@qoto.org
2023-08-06T19:40:22Z
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@clive Given how big Trump is, he must double the weight of any vehicle he gets in to. So weight should apply to vehicle + passengers.
(DIR) Post #AYSpRvaXY3DP5Jq0Q4 by hanscees@social.sargasso.nl
2023-08-06T19:40:50Z
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@clive Not only please, because batteries are heavy and we shouldn't discourage ev's
(DIR) Post #AYSpfQFuq533xjcqye by mike_johansen@mastodon.online
2023-08-06T19:44:08Z
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@clive There are roughly 1000 ways to deal with this problem, I won't quibble on which option is selected.
(DIR) Post #AYSqGPiZnjR10dfcUy by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-06T19:50:52Z
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@kentborg In the US, the argument is "people *want* huge-ass cars and nobody likes paying taxes so politicians would never have the guts to support this", mostly
(DIR) Post #AYSrDVr6cpLH87qAU4 by ClintonAnderson@universeodon.com
2023-08-06T20:01:25Z
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@clive @kentborg in the US, car manufacturers have TOLD people "You want big heavy cars" and then made nothing but big heavy cars, pointing to sales and saying"were only giving them what they want "These stupid trucks are literally killing us. https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo#TheWarOnCars#JustStopOil#OrangePilled#VisionZeroNow
(DIR) Post #AYT4gqbvprVhIs3qj2 by atthenius@fediscience.org
2023-08-06T22:32:26Z
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@clive Sometimes @davidzipper hits the NAILOn the head.Bigger cars.Bigger carbon.Bigger death.Bigger cost.
(DIR) Post #AYT7tkIqtlhtMpyk64 by Milnoc@mstdn.ca
2023-08-06T23:08:23Z
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@clive I own a Fiat 500! 😁
(DIR) Post #AYTJnmfKOuHwPIPnvs by Coolmccool@mastodon.au
2023-08-07T01:21:42Z
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@clive It's not just the US that loves pickups - #Australia does, too (they're called 'utes' - after 'utility vehicle', here). They're the best selling vehicles in Australia: https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/cars/australian-new-car-sales-2022.html. Our 4WD utes and SUVs are much smaller and lighter than their US counterparts and much better off-road, to cope with harsh Australian conditions. #electrification does pose an issue, though as the charging structure is not in place for Australia's vast distances, and suitable EVs are simply not available - even if they were affordable (I'd be a customer, but nothing suitable is available, even if it were in my price range).There's going to be pain involved, as remote communities and the disadvantaged - who drive older ICE vehicles - struggle to move to EVs. The 'nudges' (tariffs) which might seem reasonable for urban drivers are going to seem pretty unfair to them - and fertile breeding ground for a nasty culture war.
(DIR) Post #AYTO8APkDH1Hfd6Jqy by idoubtit@mstdn.social
2023-08-07T02:10:17Z
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@clive Fair. I’d love to see more smaller cars on the road.
(DIR) Post #AYTPU3PZ1wDcHC179U by runewake2@hachyderm.io
2023-08-07T02:25:25Z
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@clive hear me out though, to get cars off the road what if we incentivized bikes, e-bikes and subsidized city transit like trains and busses. You could even incentivize people to move closer to resources by subsidizing rent in cities.All of that seems better than the current infatuation with cars. Heck, you could probably even plant some trees and close a few roads with that plan.
(DIR) Post #AYTUDJxwj99CT1wJ2O by JJROKCZ@mastodon.social
2023-08-07T03:18:30Z
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@clive size/weight/materials yes. All these massive three row SUVs and Trucks driven by people with 1 kid or never use a truck for truck things because they’re an accountant who lives in a condo. That’s fine to drive a compensation-mobile, enjoy paying the fees for it
(DIR) Post #AYTXJh08IMi9VfgxpQ by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-07T03:52:43Z
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@clive it'd also be good if safety-related driving infractions (e.g. crash penalties, speeding fines, distracted driving fines, etc.) were proportional to vehicle mass, too, given that the amount of damage they can do certainly is.
(DIR) Post #AYTXtHZAL5V73935hg by docbrianS@mastodon.online
2023-08-07T03:59:12Z
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@clive We basically already do this with freight vehicles. It makes a lot of sense. Charge the user proportionate to the impact on the roadbeds.It really needs to be a function of miles and weight.
(DIR) Post #AYTicuj0argx4U3B7Q by rbos@mastodon.novylen.net
2023-08-07T05:59:57Z
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@cliveEver since I learned about the power function of damage done by axle weight, I've been telling people this. Double the weight is 16 times the damage!@JustChapman
(DIR) Post #AYURlXbiPSQzuu7vAe by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-07T14:24:47Z
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@rbos @JustChapman Yep yep
(DIR) Post #AYUS0mIa4NdBpDRU2q by JJROKCZ@mastodon.social
2023-08-07T03:26:23Z
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@runewake2 @clive the problem is that the US needs billions in investment to translate our cities into non-car shaped cities and it will take generations. Our cities populations exploded during the era of the car, so they were designed for car transit. Europe looks much better and bikes/trains work better because they were originally designed for foot/horse transit and cars were made to for later.
(DIR) Post #AYUS0nEiaE8SjWdufA by runewake2@hachyderm.io
2023-08-07T03:36:15Z
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@JJROKCZ @clive I don't think this is true. Yes our cities were designed for cars but if you close a bunch of streets and turn them into greenways and community spaces those can fill that density need through public markets, parks etc. We just need less roads. This approach seems much easier than fundamentally redesigning cities and has already been done in places like Minneapolis (the Nicollet Avenue project/Greenway)Reducing intersections optimizes car traffic as well.
(DIR) Post #AYUS0o1zd1YDCLhGT2 by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-07T14:26:06Z
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@JJROKCZ @runewake2 Yes!
(DIR) Post #AYUS0q71tGlfeY4Jay by runewake2@hachyderm.io
2023-08-07T03:39:34Z
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@JJROKCZ @clive like imagine if your city had a green walkable park without cars that you could bike or walk down and had permenant farmers markets running there with outdoor dining etc along the way.
(DIR) Post #AYUS6Md6Q3dLx3hl4K by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-07T14:26:29Z
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@idoubtit Me too
(DIR) Post #AYUSHvVR5eWvIudGAC by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-07T14:28:28Z
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@Milnoc Those are adorable little cars!
(DIR) Post #AYUSmvSjIoNs969Emm by clive@saturation.social
2023-08-07T14:27:34Z
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@Coolmccool Agreed — without smart policy to smooth these transitions (and frankly even with) — you get serious culture wars
(DIR) Post #AYUVt3IJObx82It7Lc by athlon@mastodon.social
2023-08-07T15:11:52Z
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@clive That’s literally how it works in The Netherlands.
(DIR) Post #AYUZX9D17my3pGDpHU by reiterator@mas.to
2023-08-07T15:51:28Z
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@clive if you want to be serious about the impact issue, tax by weight times miles driven. A larger vehicle driven locally on occasion has less impact than a small vehicle that’s driven a lot.
(DIR) Post #AYUkeGkGbP0mipNAK8 by brennansv@sfba.social
2023-08-07T17:57:16Z
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@clive @evanmc Weight and range should cross a luxury threshold. Make a city car more common and more affordable. If I want to do a road trip I am happy to rent a vehicle for that occasional use.
(DIR) Post #AYUoWLTbWl5ctb3XPM by karlieeuh@mastodon.social
2023-08-07T18:40:38Z
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@clive @asymco Taxing things that are bad for society is just a way to allow the rich to continue to impair society; moreover it gives the rich another way to show their riches.Legislation should forbid, not tax.
(DIR) Post #AYVCVKcTcqecqfFuKm by Milnoc@mstdn.ca
2023-08-07T23:09:08Z
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@clive Mine's in the shop right now (an Abarth). Blew an exhaust valve. Expensive to repair because the head has to be removed and machined, but the car's worth it.If the 500e reaches North America, it'll be a serious contender as a replacement. I really hate SUVs and pickup trucks. I much prefer compact cars with serious attitude problems. 😁
(DIR) Post #AYVDMziBZp49doVwdU by goatwildernesscollective@social.librem.one
2023-08-07T23:20:04Z
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@clive I have to agree, the article forgets about net carbon emissions required to produce said mass of 3000lb in the shape of a battery. That takes energy, metal, and producing the metal in the first place. Driving a 1990 Volvo 240 is better for the environment since the overhead of having had to produce it has been spread over 30 years greatly offsetting additional carbon pumped into the air from less fuel efficiency, also who says the hummer battery lasts 30 years?