Post AYKODU6tt3qAzrohJQ by tomstoneham@dair-community.social
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(DIR) Post #AYKKYoZgb4E2jLCEzo by freetechproject@floss.social
2023-08-02T15:57:29Z
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A Ton Of Folks Don’t Know What ‘Right To Repair’ Is, But Strongly Support It Once They Do https://www.techdirt.com/2023/07/21/a-ton-of-folks-dont-know-what-right-to-repair-is-but-strongly-support-it-once-they-do/ #RightToRepair #technology #tech
(DIR) Post #AYKM3anNycvCvVqOvY by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T17:35:33Z
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@freetechproject @rysiek I’m a little surprised that it's not universally understood."Suppose that chair you're sitting in broke.”"Yeah?”“And you want to fix it, right?”"Sure."“What if someone told you it was illegal to fix it?”"I'd laugh at them."“There, now you get it.”
(DIR) Post #AYKMRhJdO2QU6AQFc0 by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-08-02T17:39:51Z
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@tek no no see but a chair is not a computer! And here it's about computers! Computers are complicated and scary and magical, we can't have just anyone fixing their own computer, can we now!@freetechproject
(DIR) Post #AYKMYJf5jJCklRcAym by wmd@chaos.social
2023-08-02T17:41:05Z
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@tek @freetechproject @rysiek so many people who would just throw out the chair. :(
(DIR) Post #AYKODU6tt3qAzrohJQ by tomstoneham@dair-community.social
2023-08-02T17:59:45Z
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@tek @freetechproject @rysiek Aargh! You have just written a new business plan for IKEA ...
(DIR) Post #AYKOsTCQB94g2owUCG by echanda@mstdn.ca
2023-08-02T17:56:09Z
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@rysiek @tek @freetechproject And tractors, don't forget them! #RightToRepairhttps://www.npr.org/2023/01/10/1147934682/john-deere-right-to-repair-farmers-tractors
(DIR) Post #AYKOsU3azRbohjox4y by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:07:09Z
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@echanda @rysiek @freetechproject You bet!You’ve gotta tailor it to the audience. Chatting with your buddy, the plumber? “What if Moen tried to make it illegal to fix your own faucet?”
(DIR) Post #AYKOxQ9WvwAy2kx0oS by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-08-02T18:08:00Z
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@tek is that an euphemism? 👀 @echanda @freetechproject
(DIR) Post #AYKPbmzpQAecTUf6h6 by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-08-02T18:14:55.919177Z
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Take it one farther"Suppose you own a home""Yeah""And you want to repair, maintain, and improve it, right?""Sure.""What if someone told you it was illegal in your state because they don't give permits for owner/builder?""I'd laugh at them""And then the city inspectors will show up when your neighbor reports you to the local government and shut everything down and make you pay a contractor""fuck"
(DIR) Post #AYKQ2k72FcIXLjsxQ8 by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:20:12Z
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@feld I wouldn’t bring it up. Too many people think that’s a good idea, even for things that don’t involve safety.
(DIR) Post #AYKQAH06N7EdNTEVwu by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-08-02T18:21:09.606394Z
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it's just as crazy though that we shit on property rights like thatsure, require an inspection, but otherwise leave me alone
(DIR) Post #AYKQFxoyar59dBk77I by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:22:35Z
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@feld You’re preaching to the choir. But remember, lots of people like living in an HOA.
(DIR) Post #AYKQQL0DGF86QEwfOy by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-08-02T18:24:09.477691Z
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this isn't really an HOA problem as it exists beyond HOAs where it's dictated at the state and/or city level.
(DIR) Post #AYKQsCNeuV2Nn4CHDM by robryk@qoto.org
2023-08-02T18:23:43Z
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@rysiek @tek @freetechproject To be fair, if we replaced "chair" with "a gas furnace", in some countries that would be illegal, but the reasons for that don't apply to general purpose computers.
(DIR) Post #AYKQsD5yFkU00UvfHc by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:29:29Z
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@robryk @rysiek @freetechproject That’s not a fair comparison. If you break your chair, or a farmer breaks their tractor, the scope of the risk is tiny. Maybe you fall on your butt. Perhaps the tractor catches fire. Either way, it doesn’t affect anyone else outside contrived scenarios. If the yokel next door screws up his furnace, he could take out a city block.Right to repair doesn’t have safety consequences outside of lobbyist talking points.
(DIR) Post #AYKQyolx5E5Ib8iT0C by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:30:41Z
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@feld I agree. Just saying, lots of people think those dictates are great ideas. Don’t want a neighbor installing their own window!
(DIR) Post #AYKRmqjk3PTFAZXVDs by frigginglorious@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:39:46Z
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@tek I have been working like a beast on a shed on my property, turning it into my own personal studio space.Had my cousin run electrical out there. He's not a licensed electrician.Worst case scenario, it starts on fire. My house is the closest building, and thats 80 ft away.But i figure, if I'm not following the letter of the law, I'm probably following the spirit!I honestly didn't even consider the fact that it may have been illegal when we were doing it.
(DIR) Post #AYKSRnxhHAGMR6azya by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-08-02T18:47:10Z
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@frigginglorious I hear ya. I've installed ceiling fans and done other light electrical work before, because it's not all that hard to follow some instructions and do a quality job of it.
(DIR) Post #AYKSxiCeDrVzqGnrtY by robryk@qoto.org
2023-08-02T18:52:56Z
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@tek @rysiek @freetechproject Exactly. My point is that this is an important property to consider when substituting "chair" in that conversation, and it's useful to note that the cases we care about here are more like "chair" than "gas furnace". Many countries also have different ways of making it legal (if sometimes somewhat onerous) to maintain things that are inbetween on the scale of socialized risk (e.g. requiring an inspection by an electrician after DIY modifications of fixed electrical installation), so even in cases that are close to the gas furnace case one can do something other than outright forbidding it (though IIRC the gas furnace case itself has ~no such exceptions in Poland).
(DIR) Post #AYKVzBHpsKqeCBcd9s by robryk@qoto.org
2023-08-02T19:26:48Z
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@tek @rysiek @freetechproject BTW. For tractors the scope of _additional_ risk is usually tiny: if someone is likely to break their tractor in a dangerous way (e.g. by removing covers over revolving elements, or defeating deadman switches), they're IMO likely to also use it in a dangerous way (e.g. by having people ride on an unsuitable part of the tractor).But, all of that applies to the parts of tractors that TTBOMK owners are not prevented from repairing (IIUC that's mostly the drivetrain and other electronics, right?), which makes attempts to prevent that even weirder.
(DIR) Post #AYLAYFvScDnYsxR5zE by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-08-03T03:01:17.286477Z
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@tek @freetechproject @rysiek I would say that it's even worse than that.Here's an excellent example of what digital handcuffs are: https://web.archive.org/web/20211118053107/http://wearcam.org/seatsale/index.htm
(DIR) Post #AYMJ0Naai5zDYKYWFk by freetechproject@floss.social
2023-08-03T11:03:18Z
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@tek @rysiek Yes, that should do it!