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(DIR) Post #AYGjUxrlpTJOby4neC by ahelwer@fosstodon.org
2023-07-31T22:41:02Z
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In public discourse it's all well and good to push back against narratives that devolve #climatechange responsibility to individual choice, but in your own quiet room you are seriously lying to yourself if you think climate change mitigation will succeed without you personally making large changes to how you live. For example, taking a single cross-country flight emits more carbon than citizens of some countries do in an entire year. Not eating meat saves a multiple of that.
(DIR) Post #AYGjV08rMuAbfY5TYu by freedomtux@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-31T23:37:57Z
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@ahelwerIts also the only reliable way to make a difference that doesnt require bigger government and more compromises than we should ever tolerate.Market power works. If climate change is your thing, purchase goods and services from companies that share your values and encourage your neighbor to do the same — eventually business will adapt and it will make sense fiscally to be "Net Zero" (whatever that means)#LibertarianValues
(DIR) Post #AYGjV17piCwWiecAbI by ahelwer@fosstodon.org
2023-07-31T23:05:47Z
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mitigating factors here include the fact that north american non-air non-car long-distance travel infrastructure is close to nonexistent. these changes are made much easier given appropriate infrastructure investment and it's worth fighting for that.
(DIR) Post #AYGnqi59av7pqSxdNg by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-08-01T00:28:07.533436Z
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@ahelwer Meat doesn't require much "carbon", and the whole process is cyclical, just like the water cycle (also fake numbers for beef). A typical cow needs roughly 0.8 to 1.0 acres of grass to sustainably forage feed continuously. One acre of grass produces enough oxygen in a day via carbon sequestration and photosynthesis to provide 40 PEOPLE worth of oxygen. Which more than offsets this. The cows breathe 10-30x per minute (call it 20) with a lung capacity of 7.0 L verses a human males 6.0 L 12 - 20 (call it 16). Based on these numbers, a pasture raised grass fed cow is a net negative carbon user during its lifetime. The only logical critique after this is slaughter, which is more of a critique of industrialization and its carbon utilization. Considering cows have been raised and slaughtered since before written language records, I highly doubt this is a carbon intensive process by itself. One could easily criticize the industry, but to do that without criticism of industry writ large is agenda driven and duplicitous.
(DIR) Post #AYGoFJfjUHVtNWnscS by Frondeur@poa.st
2023-08-01T00:32:36.148297Z
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@BowsacNoodle @ahelwer i figured the carbon intense portion is the finishing where they fatten them up just before slaughter...
(DIR) Post #AYGoLY8obY8BzVNYXY by Frondeur@poa.st
2023-08-01T00:33:44.022713Z
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@BowsacNoodle @ahelwer i have zero numbers to back this up...
(DIR) Post #AYGph1BDvxx65ZJ3GS by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-08-01T00:48:48.829895Z
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@Frondeur @ahelwer Maybe, but again it's cyclical. They're just pulling crude out of the ground and funneling it into the cows right? They finish with grains because it gives the beef less of a gamey taste. Grains are a grass, and what I just mentioned about grass further reinforces my point. Let's look into the logic here: >harvesting and transporting the grain to the processor, market, cow.This would be done anyway with human instead of cows receiving cereals. The difference is that cows, as animals, add one step in between, meaning a large loss of net efficiency from total calories in to total edible calories. Internet says it's about 2.5 lbs of grain to produce 1.0 lb of beef. We still have the unspoken aspects here, which is that pasture grass serves environmental purposes— prevents soil erosion, aeration via roots, and ecological aspects of grass being able to grow in places where other cereal grains cannot. Furthermore, cows provide fertilizer, and the traditional method of rotating fields means a pasture, which even a lot of modern cows use as primary food for the majority of their life, could be naturally fertilized by grazing animals and plowed and used in future seasons. This is very sustainable, which is why it was done without factories since before written records. There's additional nutritional factors like essential amino acids (not able to be produced by the body itself) easily found in animal flesh. It becomes even more clear when you switch to smaller animals like sheep or chickens.>Slaughtering transportAs opposed to transport of soy meal to the Soylent plant? Again, this is a critique of industry masquerading as a critique of eating meat.>Methane in fartsInconsequential and also results naturally from the decaying of any organic matter. We notice it in cows because they're ruminators who are actually capable of breaking down cellulose-b in their gut, unlike humans who are omnivores and have to objectively tryhard to eat vegetarian, so the concentrated release is detectable. Meanwhile any animal which eats any plant matter will do the same thing either in its gut or in the sewer and soil. Foolish.
(DIR) Post #AYGq6qjdOHlPDuidfs by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-08-01T00:53:29.325732Z
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@Frondeur @ahelwer I pulled all my numbers searching bing for individual questions. There's not been much "meat apologetics" I've seen and the industry needs to step it up. Maybe someone can write something up on this and do a proper "research" paper and get some big agriculture funding.
(DIR) Post #AYGqyPZsZqEydMhF2W by Frondeur@poa.st
2023-08-01T01:03:09.094594Z
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@BowsacNoodle @ahelwer >pulling crude...Depends on how they are enriching those grains...the problem (if there is one, which there probably isnt) as it has been presented to me would be at this step where the animals are fed high calorie feed...to my understanding this feed is often grown with nitrogen enriched fertilizers...the process of making those fertilizers directly uses natural gas and/or petrol...though again this i think supports your core theme of being a critique of industrialization rather than meat...
(DIR) Post #AYGrHkDK4nce8cMeqO by Frondeur@poa.st
2023-08-01T01:06:39.744812Z
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@ahelwer ive been thinking of eating urban blacks instead of rural honduran immigrants...i figure this will greatly help...
(DIR) Post #AYGtSNfcQutjJWncIq by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-08-01T01:30:59.534890Z
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@Frondeur @ahelwer Exactly. We don't NEED to use Haber-Bosch process to produce fertilizer, but we do. If we stopped doing it, it would create more volatility in the price and availability of food across the board, because new variables would be introduced. Ironically, discontinuing use of it would require more farm land devoted to herbivore husbandry because that's the next best source of fertilizers used across the board. End factory farming, more animals, more efficient use of their waste, more small businesses and localized production. Suddenly we have increased genetic diversity, decreased waste, a healthier ecosystem, only a small cost increase to consumer, and a massively enriched middle class.
(DIR) Post #AYGuDhx6qIDhpPY0uG by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-01T01:39:33.149312Z
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This guy is a kook. Even Obama's head of climate change said that the push for individuals to buy electric cars and the like is a result of the major corporations, which are something like 90% responsible for emissions and pollution, trying to shift the blame onto the individuals so that they can keep doing stuff like buying "carbon credits" and the like instead of actually changing their practices.Meat isn't an issue and if I were to advise people to change any eating habits, it would be to purchase organic products made on a local farm when possible and eat less simple carbs and more meat and vegetables/fruit.Anything else is silly.
(DIR) Post #AYGuZzpR3lF3doaOoa by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-01T01:43:34.720459Z
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That's the best solution to this issue.End factory farms, buy local organic products, and plant trees. Problem(s) solved.People would be so much healthier than they currently as well.
(DIR) Post #AYGwNT774CmGbx0bM8 by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-01T02:03:43.581122Z
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You have good intentions but are mostly wrong about the problems and solutions to said problems.Vegetarianism is not a realistic solution and most of the climate change is caused by major corporations.Instead of telling people to stop eating meat, which there isn't much of a realistic alternative to, you'd be better off telling people to grow their own vegetables and fruits along with raising their own meats. If they don't have the time or other resources to do so, then buying local and organic would be ideal. One of the main issues with this, however, is cost. Due to those who control the economy most people can't afford to eat completely organic and local.You're also wrong about emissions of "second and third world" countries in that they are the major polluters on the planet these days.The fact that they're 100 years or so behind the industrial revolutions of some countries and often don't care that they're polluting so much is a problem. china, india, and several other countries in the region account for much of the pollution and nearly all of the plastic pollution in our oceans.If you want to solve this problem you must start at the top and work your way down. The problem with this is that along the way you will end up criticizing jewish people and Bi-POCs (Bi-sexual People Of Color) and you MUST find a way to address their contributions to this issue without naming them or offending them.Good luck!
(DIR) Post #AYGwV0SXUGOq3dco5Y by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-01T02:05:05.338546Z
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"#LibertarianValues" LOLLibertarians seem to have a lack of values if anything.Do whatever drugs you want and age of consent doesn't mean anything - Signed, Libertarians
(DIR) Post #AYGxFwvuPoxojPkLsO by Jean_Philippe_Micheaux@poa.st
2023-08-01T02:13:34.206869Z
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@GabeLakmann @freedomtux @ahelwer Libertarian values like child coal miners.
(DIR) Post #AYGz9g7IE20YkOD0TY by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-01T02:34:50.678571Z
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Child labor? Age is nothing but a number to a libertarian hahahaha
(DIR) Post #AYGzM6fdKAzuZsCIu8 by ChineseCheese@poa.st
2023-08-01T02:37:05.608737Z
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@ahelwer You could always stop breathing. That eliminates a lot of CO2.
(DIR) Post #AYH99dpxhRKdDdiuzg by freedomtux@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-01T04:18:35Z
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@ahelwer@GabeLakmann@Jean_Philippe_Micheaux#LibertarianValues are in fact #liberal #liberty and #freedom for all. Child labor is abhorant as it takes liberty away from the child.
(DIR) Post #AYH99eUjFrwRG4nTXM by Jean_Philippe_Micheaux@poa.st
2023-08-01T04:26:53.316260Z
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@freedomtux @ahelwer @GabeLakmann Lol like libertarian values all the worse parts of the Left and right put together. Open air drug markets with no roads or public schools. Let the free market decide. If more people decided Going Galt was the best thing the nation would be better.
(DIR) Post #AYH9hcUXD18OtKu3cW by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-01T04:33:02.008272Z
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Yup. But not ~this~ libertarian. He is a libertarian with ~values~ don't you know?Libertarianism is supposed to be about being free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm others, except all of the stuff they want to do ends up harming others, sometimes quite a bit.They just want to be able to do degenerate shit without feeling bad about it for the most part.
(DIR) Post #AYH9mVSul8sMY3TXf6 by Frondeur@poa.st
2023-08-01T04:33:54.742824Z
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@Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @freedomtux @ahelwer @GabeLakmann who is john galt...