Post AYEbHvJaocv2z7ROJE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
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(DIR) Post #AYAORNUrKWKGxV35Um by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-28T21:56:43Z
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This week, I went over to Bluesky and asked people who'd left Mastodon why they left, and lots of people told me. I grabbed the replies and crunched them and wrote up a summary. I think it's really interesting and often kind of wrenching.https://erinkissane.com/mastodon-is-easy-and-fun-except-when-it-isnt#meta
(DIR) Post #AYAORTl23IpONOf5XM by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-28T21:58:01Z
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Rather than trying to head off the unusual unpleasantness about clout-chasers and the ritually/technologically impure, I will just say this:I wrote this up for fedi people who are actively curious and interested in other people, and I'm not going to worry too much about how it lands for those who aren't.
(DIR) Post #AYAORYI9C7h4RGBai0 by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-28T22:02:44Z
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The tl;dr (because TL! it's TL) is that, for this group:- people feel stressed and anxious when they get yelled at for breaking rules and norms they didn't know about- it's hard to find people and conversations, and specifically hard to follow people across instances- people want better organic and algorithmic ways to connect with each other- instance-picking stresses people out, and a lot of the sign-up and settling-in processes are confusing and/or too much work for unknown returns
(DIR) Post #AYAORbwJdEbhki0DEe by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-28T22:04:29Z
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something I didn't have room for in the post itself is that a non-tiny group of people have had instances blow up on them over the years, leaving them starting over again and again—this is especially destructive for newer folks, who don't always understand what's happening
(DIR) Post #AYAOReyYLNBBAW4Xdg by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-28T22:09:21Z
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Lastly! I squeaked this post in under a rapidly dropping door—I'm going to be really busy for a day or so and then offline for awhile. If you ask questions after today and don't hear back, that's probably why!Please be cool with each other and don't make me come back to screaming fights in my replies. <3
(DIR) Post #AYAaiYCrxmBsY0aazA by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-29T00:32:37Z
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@kissane thank you!Let’s see what we can do to improve with this!♥️🥰
(DIR) Post #AYAb4uJWRv37U0MTmS by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-29T00:36:40Z
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@stux 💖😸
(DIR) Post #AYAgBTwpNLVfVYhVSK by clive@saturation.social
2023-07-29T01:32:42Z
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@kissane Great post and a terrific probe into all this!I have such hilariously contradictory thoughts on the question of mastodon’s ease of use — it’s good to get a bit of research to chew on
(DIR) Post #AYAgqgwpwieZhTM5h2 by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-29T01:37:41Z
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@clive Thank you! I’m hoping it inspires a lot more research, it feels very teeny tip of the iceberg to me.
(DIR) Post #AYB2ITe561DPaZfmTI by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-07-29T05:41:23Z
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The feeds (algorithms) at Bluesky are really great. Good thing is that you can build them by yourself and people can follow them. This is completely different from what Twitter, Facebook or Threads is doing.In fact I'm thinking about the creation of some similar service for the Fediverse. From the technical perspective this isn't a big deal.
(DIR) Post #AYB48h8OI1rmR7JTIu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-29T06:02:22.783095Z
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ie #2 : #fediblock is doing grave damage to the reputation of the fediverse , by keeping people from being able to connect eachotherpeople don't know *why* it's being done to them only that they can't communicate with friends/family for some reason they don't and in many cases can't understand, because the real reason (petty political infighting between different groups) is hidden from them
(DIR) Post #AYB4AvGeiITUqiF1LU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T06:02:43Z
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@charlesroper> Jeff Atwood's "Just In Time" Theory of User BehaviourAnything @codinghorror writes about UX is worth reading. I'm constantly impressed by how much better the UX of Discourse is than almost anything else on the web. Even his hesitation to embrace federating Discourse instances over AP was motivated by legitimate concerns about breaking its UX. Much as it frustrated me, it also obliged me to make a clear case for the UX benefits of federation, which was well worth it.@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYB4CjVlOV6ky0AfRY by raikas@mementomori.social
2023-07-28T23:20:54Z
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@kissane I have to say, I understand these people. I'd say that Mastodon is a hard platform for non-tech people to find their place.Hashtags feel foreign to me, as they aren't used as often (anymore) on other platforms. With Twitter, they are kinda discouraged because of the character limit. It's sometimes hard to find the right hashtags, or even come up with right hashtags for your post.The "build your own feed" philosophy seems still bit hard for me. The "follow everyone, unfollow if don't like afterwards" also feels bit foreign to me, as on platforms that have a recommendation algorithm, I just follow the people that I want to see the content more often. Like, that person has to prove their worth to me, before I follow them.From 0, finding people is really, really hard, especially out of your instance. If you have to leave your own home instance to for example view older posts, it might be an other frontend, theme or software even. And interactions from other instances work, well not very greatly without any browser extensions.I am currently at a point that I have started to get my own little bubble big enough that I have new content on the feed pretty regularly and notifications pretty often (especially now with the release of #Mastopoet). But still I miss being able to scroll away and have new suggestions provided by an algorithm from accounts I haven't seen before. I didn't use Twitter before the algorithm was introduced, so I don't know a time before that.It would be very likely that I would not have started to use Mastodon actively if it wasn't for @rolle moving here. I actually created my first account on March 2022 on social.isekai.fi, an instance that was deleted at some point, RIP. Oh yes, instances. Didn't even cover them!Instances allow to have a lot of variety, but for a normal user, they probably don't care that much. For them the most important things are probably:- people there, same interests- rules in which they feel safe- possibly themeMoving instances is bit difficult, especially if your instance has a WebFingered domain (like social.vivaldi.net being vivaldi.net on Mastodon). Got confused when I transitioned here.It's also difficult, because your posts don't come along with you. You leave them on the old instance. And instances get deleted sometimes (like the first instance I was on, and the popular mastodo.fi here in Finland soon). You get your followers (if you transfered in time) and your following. Otherwise you are left with a blank slate.I mean, I like it here. #Mastodon is amazing in it's own ways. I love the API, the developer community here, but I understand it's challenges with the non-techy people. It's just too hard for them to get their feed built and get to that dopamine rush by scrolling.Twitter and other commercial social media are designed to be addictive. To feed you dopamine. To get you to be more active and use the platform more, to get more ad revenue. Mastodon doesn't aim for that, so people get withdrawal symptoms and resort back to Twitter or other social media.That's my personal analysis.
(DIR) Post #AYB4CkEQiQpxCX4L44 by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2023-07-28T23:30:33Z
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@raikas @kissane @rolle Ah yes, I had the jitters crawl my brain for months after leaving Twitter.But it’s now ex-twitter, literally. I like it here. Most for the calm of mind actually. Not feeling like an algorithm is watching your every move is liberating. You stop performing when you get here. And that is great.#noalgorithm
(DIR) Post #AYB4Ckx62MZ9R3y0ga by paninid@mastodon.world
2023-07-28T23:54:41Z
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@gimulnautti @raikas @kissane @rolle The algorithms are like microdosed dopamine. The principles of user-centric product development dictate that the team should give the community what it wants.What happens when it wants meth? 🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #AYB4ClI0mbIQTvkiHo by raikas@mementomori.social
2023-07-28T23:24:04Z
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@kissane @rolle But I have to say, I would never be this active on Twitter. The atmosphere there is just too oppressive? (don't know if that's the right term). It feels like that every time you tweet, you have the obligation to provide some value to your followers. You have to either create quality, professional tweets or entirely shitposts and parody.It doesn't feel like microblogging.
(DIR) Post #AYB4CmywUTENjMqVqC by raikas@mementomori.social
2023-07-28T23:33:24Z
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@kissane On Mastodon, but also on other platforms too regarding topics that interest me also (like politics, city planning, etc), but that I know some of my followers don't give a shit about them, so I don't feel like talking about them, boosting posts about them, etc. because I have a feeling that I need to provide that kind of content that they are interested in and have received in the past from me to my followers.This also goes bit to the Content Warning side probably, but I don't feel like using them. It's a hassle for the people that are interested in them to click every one of them open. Some people create multiple accounts, but I find it a hassle also to maintain multiple accounts and feeds.
(DIR) Post #AYB4GQdTW0LPaEXYky by jedmund@fireplace.cafe
2023-07-28T22:53:36Z
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@kissane As someone who has contributed in building those massive corporate social networks and deeply wants federation to succeed, this post should be a guiding beacon to those working on the future of Mastodon and all other federated software. Thank you for putting in the time to do this research, however unscientific it might be.
(DIR) Post #AYB4HPtXksRVZjWkls by adamgreenfield@social.coop
2023-07-28T23:02:14Z
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@kissane I’m glad you mentioned what happened in Myanmar, and why. I’m glad any time someone mentions what happened in Myanmar, and why. I no lie want “Zuckerberg” to sound like “Himmler” in the ears of generations to come.
(DIR) Post #AYB4HSrAk9KQlFROzY by M_U@toot.community
2023-07-29T01:10:07Z
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@adamgreenfield @kissane Zuck only became Zuck because he came along at the perfect time to be Pointdexter's real project. The whole transition was more scripted than anyone imagines, unless they were on the inside of it. FB was rogue IC malware with real state muscle behind it from day one.So, the entities that did all that, and set him up, are the real evil in the story, perhaps.
(DIR) Post #AYB4k7KJrzuaNwjkzg by Soma@detroitriotcity.com
2023-07-29T06:09:11.320048Z
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@kissane it's mainly because you're a bunch of joyless faggots that have limpouts over people not putting content warnings for eye contact
(DIR) Post #AYBBxiKWIsEManGGbw by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-29T07:29:57Z
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@strypey YMMV, but I despise discourse for its UX. It's a confusing mess that requires real work to follow or keep organized.That's not really meant to start a discussion, just to state that there are different people, and good UX for one group isn't universally good UX. We humans seem to find it difficult to comprehend that, generally speaking. @charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBFTuVEscuDTWJqTY by dveditz@infosec.exchange
2023-07-29T05:34:03Z
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@paninid @gimulnautti @raikas @kissane @rolleBut what if it were your own algorithm? Rankings of weights you could give so people you want to see more of show up first in case you don't have time. Maybe an option that combines boosts so you don't have to read the same thing 5 times, an option to give more priority to posts with more boosts from people you follow.There are all kinds of things that could be done that serve users and aren't a self-serving capitalist black box.
(DIR) Post #AYBFTvB4N6MlZFtFg0 by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2023-07-29T07:48:39Z
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@dveditz @paninid @raikas @kissane @rolle Self-hosted algorithms is something I’ve been a proponent of.A very advanced client could so the job of one. Enough for most people’s needs.A ”proxy” client could be constructed to run on serverside, which would be what the #fediverse sees. But the user would see a different view: a feed ”for the audience of one”.Would be expensive to run, but not impossible.
(DIR) Post #AYBFTwCsXrPKl9kD8S by troed@masto.sangberg.se
2023-07-29T08:09:28Z
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@gimulnautti To start with I would like a personal algorithm that makes me _not miss_ things from people I (according to my actions) interact with. Sliding scale. This would also get rid of the current need to reboost your own posts to make sure all timezones etc might see them.Discovery is a bit more tricky. Apparently it gets very resource heavy for servers to broadcast things like "this post is popular" using the existing like/boost formulas.@dveditz @paninid @raikas @kissane @rolle
(DIR) Post #AYBP6JFUDsOKoaKt7I by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T09:57:13Z
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@jens > YMMV, but I despise discourse for its UX. It's a confusing mess that requires real work to follow or keep organizedIs this about Discourse in particular, or the web forum just not a medium that works for you? Is there other web forum software that you would say has better UX?@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBP7XhnxUCXwQAZo8 by troed@masto.sangberg.se
2023-07-29T09:57:27Z
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@aaron But that's different - I want the content that I would otherwise see from the in my home, but depending on how much I interact with that person I want the likelyhood that I see their content in my feed go up - to the point of it being guaranteed. I miss way too much posts atm since I cannot sit and scroll through it all.
(DIR) Post #AYBP9Ql2lFJMyLaJbE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T09:57:30Z
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@jens > YMMV, but I despise discourse for its UX. It's a confusing mess that requires real work to follow or keep organizedIs this about Discourse in particular, or is the web forum just not a medium that works for you? Is there other web forum software that you would say has better UX?@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBPDhWKNbzy7RjnxA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T09:58:33Z
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@jens > there are different people, and good UX for one group isn't universally good UXFair point. But even this is within the scope of UX design, in the sense of making UI highly configurable, with sane defaults, and plenty of Just In Time cues about how to vary them to work better for your needs. @charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBWUuPAQbWggKXbCC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T11:20:02Z
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@jeffcliff > fediblock is doing grave damage to the reputation of the fediverse, by keeping people from being able to connect eachotherOTOH it also helps to keep certain people (of various kinds) from being dogpiled by hate mobs as soon as they walk in the door. For those of us who do understand what's going on, this is a feature, not a bug, see:https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110689500577614547(1/2)@Lotema @BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield
(DIR) Post #AYBWZV9PkXGdo0MXi4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T11:20:18Z
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@jeffcliff > fediblock is doing grave damage to the reputation of the fediverse, by keeping people from being able to connect eachotherOTOH it also helps to keep certain people (of various kinds) from being dogpiled by hate mobs as soon as they walk in the door. For those of us who do understand what's going on, this is a feature, not a bug, see:https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110689500577614547(1/2)@Lotema @BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield
(DIR) Post #AYBWb6WCItJdzKmdSy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T11:21:09Z
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We do need better ways of doing this than the 'shoot first, ask questions never' FediBlock approach. But just doing nothing, and letting people get abused and chased out of the verse by griefers, isn't a viable option.(2/2)@jeffcliff @Lotema @BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield
(DIR) Post #AYBWfceMmSDmnkl74a by jedmund@fireplace.cafe
2023-07-29T11:22:00Z
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@strypey I do not want to be a part of this conversation as the original replied was tagging people in bad taste. Please remove me from the mentions.
(DIR) Post #AYBYSRqJqlPVQYCB8a by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T11:42:04Z
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@jedmund Noted. Willdo.
(DIR) Post #AYBYXCxGd9FghWiOQK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T11:42:56Z
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@jedmund Noted. Willdo.FYI most apps also allow you to Mute Conversation, which will automate that for you, in case we forget.
(DIR) Post #AYBYZNk9URyYjwcKDw by gutsynomad@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-29T11:43:23Z
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@kissane Thanks for compiling and writing up all this research. It is a fun read! Aside from the enjoyable wrap up, my favorite line: "There’s a meta conversation that is probably unavoidable..." Meta! Get it? Tee hee! 😋
(DIR) Post #AYBabvvRZYxpF2F87c by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
2023-07-29T12:06:12Z
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@kissane It's funny that Bluesky boasts itself as being a decentralized network (with the AT protocol) while apparently many users praise it to be centralized, which they see as simpler than the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AYBaqUMwJEuW7W2pCy by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
2023-07-29T12:08:49Z
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@kissane I notice that the queried persons are a diverse crowd since many requests are contradictory, such as "they were so flooded with tips, guides, and instructions for doing Mastodon right" vs. "I don’t know where all the many rules for posting are documented for each instance, you definitely aren’t presented them in the account creation flow"Like my grandma used to say, "1) It is impossible to please everybody 2) some people will always complain, anyway"
(DIR) Post #AYBdb0LNxXMgWAcrY0 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-29T12:39:36Z
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@strypey There are UX designers who would argue that do much variability id actually bad UX.(Discovery of hidden/advanced features is another hot topic.)@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBdfHZNr91L6KDHeq by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-29T12:40:23Z
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@strypey Mostly about discourse. I find the UX of an old PHPBB better, even if it's clunky as hell.@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBeRH92jsEngQmGm0 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2023-07-29T12:49:07.730Z
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@kissane@mas.to I think this is actually a good article. Most of the "the fediverse is bad actually" articles I've read are just highly opinionated rambling from the author, not an objective summary of other people's opinions.
(DIR) Post #AYBebs4qHSFt7ergwK by kaia@brotka.st
2023-07-29T12:51:02.756242Z
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@kissane sounds like most of the issues were related to choosing a bad instance slash corner of the fediverse
(DIR) Post #AYBfoRVcTHa2RRwr0i by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2023-07-29T13:04:31.149Z
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@kissane@mas.to I hope people will finally start to realize that excessive CW'ing and yelling at people to add alt text is not "being inclusive". It is actually harmful.
(DIR) Post #AYBgpx1ItpDmPo3FUO by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-07-29T13:15:06.994208Z
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@kissane >complains about bad fedi experience>has account on the instance that has blocked the good parts of fediEvery single fucking time :PikachuFacePalm:
(DIR) Post #AYBi6cjZfvSgNPGy5g by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T13:30:09Z
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@kissane > instances with unusual CW norms would probably benefit from having cues built into their instance’s implementation of the core Mastodon software so that posters could easily see a list of desired CWs (and rationales) from the posting interface itself, though that wouldn’t help those using third-party appsIt might need some additions to the server-to-client API, but it's not impossible to make instance-specific cues appear in all apps plugged into that instance.
(DIR) Post #AYBieoLmza6QFYRuLY by gentlemanlover@mstdn.social
2023-07-29T13:36:24Z
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@kissane This boils down to a well-known, simple but often-ignored fact: the nerds building stuff routinely have trouble empathising with non-technical users, other points of view and priorities. No value judgement here, just an observation over the decades.
(DIR) Post #AYBlCCOKpSAiHCgj44 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:04:20Z
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@jens > There are UX designers who would argue that too much variability is actually bad UXI don't think that quite captures the argument. I specified sane defaults, because a UI that comes as a bag of lego bricks, which you have to learn how to assemble before the app is any use, *is* bad UX. But that's not the same thing as shipping the lego bricks assembled, but avoiding gluing them together. So the person using it can vary the assembly as needed.@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBmOY5y3of31DY9Sq by crazy_pony@rubber.social
2023-07-29T06:25:55Z
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@charlesroper @kissane I was never on Twitter but, so using Hashtags as keywords to search and follow appears totally natural to meUnfortunately there are all the limiting, muting, defederating things going on so searching for a hashtag often just can not found them when on other instances So i feel very much here in a bubble that limits my diversity, not in a self choosen bubble, but between walls that others have set up around their bubbles
(DIR) Post #AYBmOZ0KgFkPq1vAJs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:11:42Z
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@crazy_pony > Unfortunately there are all the limiting, muting, defederating things going on so searching for a hashtag often just can not found them when on other instances That's not usually the reason. Hashtags searches only cover posts from accounts your server knows about, because someone using your servers follows them.> i feel very much here in a bubble that limits my diversityI sympathize. Mastodon's design choices about search do create that outcome.@charlesroper @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBmaaXOnzrc4K7anA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:15:19Z
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@crazy_pony > Unfortunately there are all the limiting, muting, defederating things going on so searching for a hashtag often just can not found them when on other instances That's not usually the reason. Hashtags searches only cover posts from accounts your server knows about, because someone using your servers follows them.> i feel very much here in a bubble that limits my diversityI sympathize. Mastodon's design choices about search do create that outcome.@charlesroper @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBnHZNyxopMwrDCbo by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-29T14:26:02Z
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@strypey As with all topics, opinions exist on a spectrum. But there exist opinions that state quite clearly that good UX and Lego bricks are mutually exclusive, as it were.The arguments often draw parallels to tools. Yes, Swiss army knives exist - but as *knives* they're kind of rubbish, as like any other of the tools they provide. So make knives instead.Agree or disagree, all I'm saying is that these opinions exist and have reasoned arguments. @charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBnSNiMhJEZw5twOm by crazy_pony@rubber.social
2023-07-29T14:24:24Z
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@strypey @charlesroper @kissane > That's not usually the reason. Hashtags searches only cover posts from accounts your server knows about, because someone using your servers follows them.I think it follows an (inverted) "bathtub curve"In the beginning there is very little found, until federation growsBut after some years there is a decline when you see less things from the same hashtagAt least this can happen when you are on a niche server with topics that other servers might disagree
(DIR) Post #AYBnvQ7QpyoVn5TNNA by mwt@mastodon.nz
2023-07-29T01:43:06Z
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@charlesroper @kissane I don't bother with following people at all. If I'm interested in a topic, I follow the hashtags about that topic, and it doesn't matter to me who's posting to it. If I'm interested in everything a particular person has to say on any topic (aka actual friends), then I follow them.
(DIR) Post #AYBnvR4zGYS6lnKwCW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:31:52Z
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@mwt > If I'm interested in a topic, I follow the hashtags about that topicOne limitation of this is that following a hashtag doesn't give you every post in the verse that includes that hashtag. Only the ones your server knows about, which are the ones from accounts someone on your server is following.@charlesroper @staidwinnow @paninid @naught101 @stephengentle @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBoQTfLhQkHlj98zo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:39:48Z
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@KayOhtie > it wouldn't surprise me if, within the next few months, a serious fork of Mastodon itself starts to emerge because it _is_ implementing all these things that users and admins are begging for, not just 'cool' things, but functional UX!Have you tried any of the *many* alternatives to Mastodon for serving fediverse accounts?https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/Eg FireFish does a lot of what you're asking for.@charlesroper @kissane @bersl2
(DIR) Post #AYBp0DjYPcokmU9nCy by cjordahl@sfba.social
2023-07-29T00:07:22Z
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@derwinmcgeary @kissane The "you can't be silly" really surprised me too. I wonder why they thought that? Maybe their instance?
(DIR) Post #AYBp0ETHfbOh4JYJUG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:47:24Z
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@cjordahl > The "you can't be silly" really surprised me too.Anyone who thinks you can't be silly on in the verse, or that you can't do it in English, hasn't discovered @onan or @buttplugio 😆 @derwinmcgeary @mawhrin @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBpTxONjZYQmoQvDc by kissane@mas.to
2023-07-28T23:34:43Z
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I said "lastly" but then my replies become almost immediately overwhelming. It's great that a lot of people like this/want to argue about it/are thinking about it! But I am just one brain so I'm going to miss a lot of things, apologies.
(DIR) Post #AYBpTy5d8m9IwwfSd6 by KevinMarks@xoxo.zone
2023-07-29T00:07:08Z
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@kissane thank you again for your humane and human approach to qualitative research, and your lucidity. The fediverse needs this, though I'm not sure it has earned it.
(DIR) Post #AYBpTyrUGqQjLN3gDw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:52:47Z
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@KevinMarks > The fediverse needs this, though I'm not sure it has earned itTrue that. @kissane is not the UX researcher we deserved, but the researcher we needed.
(DIR) Post #AYBpiF7Kd6MToVGoeO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T14:55:16Z
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@KevinMarks > The fediverse needs this, though I'm not sure it has earned itTrue that. @kissane is not the UX researcher we deserved, but the UX researcher we needed.
(DIR) Post #AYBqIMFDbm2qLLBEIK by dulcedemon@beekeeping.ninja
2023-07-29T00:20:48Z
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@kissane That was it for me, even though I haven't left Mastodon, and I don't intend to leave. I'm only trying Bluesky because someone gave me an invite code. That person also tried Mastodon, but they couldn't stand the HOA vibe/etiquette policing.It's nice to have a place not named Twitter that (hopefully) won't be shutdown over some admin or moderation drama [mastodon.lol], or be the target of a defederation campaign [mastodon.social].I'm damn tired of moving instances over bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AYBqIRBVF12lfGTphI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:01:52Z
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@dulcedemon> It's nice to have a place not named Twitter Well, Twitter isn't named Twitter anymore, so... ; )@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBqYdJLvFsjuLsHK4 by Agent661@mastodon.social
2023-07-29T03:04:37Z
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@kissane Do we know what caused the instances to blow up? I'm pretty new to Mastodon and can't remember hearing about something like that.
(DIR) Post #AYBqYe35BESgCBGnbM by dveditz@infosec.exchange
2023-07-29T04:44:35Z
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@Agent661 @kissane the ones I've seen were various forms of burnout. Folks who ran a server for fun and community for years, who faced paying the spiking server bills for an influx of ungrateful people, or who got tired of bullshit controversies and having to be a cop to squabbling users.
(DIR) Post #AYBqYemoRD2cU0fJse by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:04:46Z
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@dveditz > paying the spiking server bills for an influx of ungrateful people, or who got tired of bullshit controversies and having to be a cop to squabbling usersWhat I don't understand is why these people didn't make sign-ups invite-only as soon as the incoming flood began, or at least get people to apply with an understanding they may not be accepted. If I'm paying the bills on an instance, and not running it as a business, there's no way I'd allow open sign-ups.@Agent661 @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBqq13gspsmTwpzZg by JMMaok@mastodon.online
2023-07-28T22:07:39Z
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@kissane Really appreciated this info. A thought I've been having recently is that perhaps part of what makes people so burned out on politics is the media's tendency to accompany stories with "authoritarian strict father (in the Lakoff sense)" images. As someone who consumes a lot of politics content, since about 2016 my feed has been filled with these images. A feature like Slack's of option to suppressing link previews, and a norm of using it, could help. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AYBqq4Q8NqcMuQMSTQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:07:58Z
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@JMMaok > A feature like Slack's of option to suppressing link previews, and a norm of using it, could helpI don't use any of the "official" Mastodon apps, but in the all the apps I use with my Mastodon account, link previews are optional. I'm not convinced they're even a good feature, since they can totally slashdot a webserver is a post containing a link to a page hosted there goes viral here.@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBqq5XcDWCENurwm0 by JMMaok@mastodon.online
2023-07-28T22:11:14Z
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@kissane My personal and professional reasons for being on social media are such that CW for politics did almost drive me away. I believe this political *information* needs to be more widely known. But I've recently had the realization that the supporting visuals are a different thing. We don't need to be spreading those. 2/2
(DIR) Post #AYBr8FTe0w4MPfffua by robotmonkeys@hachyderm.io
2023-07-28T22:20:24Z
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@kissane I really think the whole instance thing is needlessly stressful. Masto makes a big deal about it, but honestly it doesn’t really matter. You can follow people across instances just fine. The only thing that matters from a new user perspective is number of characters per toot and bespoke emojis. Instance picking felt like I had define my identity by one thing. Then it turned out, it doesnt seem to matter, which is exactly what you’d wonder if the instance was well run
(DIR) Post #AYBr8GPmWmZdJys6Wu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:11:17Z
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@robotmonkeys > I really think the whole instance thing is needlessly stressful. Masto makes a big deal about it, but honestly it doesn’t really matterYes and no. Some people have had the experience of joining a "Safe Space" server, then finding the friends they want to talk to are on a server it's blocked. Or to avoid that, joining a "Freeze Peach" server, and getting dogpiled by griefers. It's not the be all and end all, but it's misleading to say it doesn't matter.@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBrTGqO7xTwjXKjlQ by Tekk@allthingstech.social
2023-07-28T22:42:49Z
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@robotmonkeys @kissane I’m new to the fediverse. And the 1 thing that is confusing to me is, you say you can follow others and read posts across instances. But how do you find those people? Where do you go to see them or to follow them or to read posts. Something like Instagram or Twitter has an algorithm that shows you things that it thinks you might like. here you have to go looking.
(DIR) Post #AYBrTHZPQZUizAOgwC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:15:06Z
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@Tekk > Where do you go to see them or to follow them or to read postsUnless you're on a single-user server, the federated timeline and hashtag searches are a good place to start.@robotmonkeys @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBrgTNepO8TNbBrBg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:17:29Z
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@Tekk > Something like Instagram or Twitter has an algorithm that shows you things that it thinks you might like. here you have to go lookingA lot of folks are pretty traumatised by The Algorithms, thanks to their time on the DataFarms. So there's a strong aversion to them here. But 'chrological order, from most recent' is an algorithm. So is 'one post from each person followed by people I follow'. There's plenty of ways we could add serendipity.@robotmonkey113 keys@hachyderm.io @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBsOVErHTDPss4NUW by JMMaok@mastodon.online
2023-07-29T15:25:25Z
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@strypey @kissane You can turn off *viewing* link previews. For lots of visual content they are a plus, though (data charts, maps, nature, history). I am talking about an option to suppress link previews when including a link in your own post, so that even if someone usually views link previews, they don't get a preview from that specific link.Take a look. A lot of important news stories use aggressive images that are not informative. If you have image previews off, you probably don't see.
(DIR) Post #AYBtLW8JbB5xkA9Jmy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:34:31Z
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@Tekk > There's plenty of ways we could add serendipityJust fleshed this out as for the Fediverse Ideas brainstorming project:https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues/39@robotmonkey113 @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBtQoAnx9yj8rpwCu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:33:33Z
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@Tekk > There's plenty of ways we could add serendipityJust fleshed this out as for the Fediverse Ideas brainstorming project:https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues/39@robotmonkey113 @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBtYcyVTLJsjAoSsC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:38:24Z
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@kissane > I think it's really interesting and often kind of wrenchingWhat I find really interesting is when the requirements are in conflict with each other. For example, people being horrified by seeing bigoted posts (and fair enough). But also being really frustrated by not being able to globally search and find, and see posts by, every other account on the entire network. Is it really possible to prevent the first one, while giving people the second one?
(DIR) Post #AYBto26gJaIr14yyhc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:41:13Z
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@JMMaok > I am talking about an option to suppress link previews when including a link in your own postAh! OK. That would be handy. Loomio has this, and I believe Discourse does to. It would certainly be possible to implement it in fediverse UI. Have you checked the Mastodon forum to see if anyone's requested it as a feature? If not, that would be a good place to start on getting it to happen:https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/discussions@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBttBwTAuGyy4fLDE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:41:42Z
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@JMMaok > I am talking about an option to suppress link previews when including a link in your own postAh! OK. That would be handy. Loomio has this, and I believe Discourse does to. It would certainly be possible to implement it in fediverse UI. Have you checked the forum to see if anyone's requested it as a feature for Mastodon? If not, that would be a good place to start on getting it to happen:https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/discussions@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBubEdQWYkk3rlCBk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:50:04Z
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@crazy_pony > In the beginning there is very little found, until federation growsBasically. When a new server first goes online, the only posts it knows about are the ones made by its own accounts. Then, when they start following accounts on other servers, it learns about their posts. At least on Mastodon. Other software might import all posts from every server it knows about, but that's a *lot* of stuff for it to download and store.@charlesroper @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBujyLmRIgUA5fkvo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:51:09Z
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@crazy_pony > after some years there is a decline when you see less things from the same hashtagThat happens because of servers going down, or people deleting old posts. A lot of people use an auto-delete that wipes out all their old posts after X days, unless they're pinned.@charlesroper @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBv8Mgdbnlwad3lMO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T15:55:30Z
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@jens > Yes, Swiss army knives exist - but as *knives* they're kind of rubbish, as like any other of the tools they provide. So make knives insteadIt sounds like you're referencing the UNIX principle. Which is more of an engineering principle than a UX principle, although I can imagine some people arguing for more apps that do fewer things. Either way, how many functions an app has is a separate issue from whether the UI can be modified during use.@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYBwodYLOHWn13tvV2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T16:13:38Z
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@mawhrin > i had people who blocked me at first mention that i don't mind shitpostingChrist-on-a-stick some people are fragile! Might be a case of that word not meaning (to you) what they think it means. But might also be a case of a self-solving problem:https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110689500577614547@cjordahl @derwinmcgeary @kissane @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip
(DIR) Post #AYBxRNwrLGMdufqQC0 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-29T16:22:01.812584Z
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While it reasonable to notice that there are, in fact dog piles that occuryou are missing 2 underlying causes:1) people who would otherwise come to the defence of newbies who just outright ignore the massive culture war that the newbies step accidentally into not every group is going to have a fair fight on their hands but if even pedophiles can mount a defense of themselves, whatever group you are thinking of certainly can.2) oversharing from the get go. Some people have an unrealistic expectation of how powerful their ingroup is, relative to their outgroup, globally. Actually I would argue virtually everyone does. These dogpiles can be a good way to counteract this bias and to remind them not everyone likes them.
(DIR) Post #AYBxkdV9jvereW49mS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-29T16:25:33.115342Z
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> . But just doing nothing, and letting people get abused and chased out of the verse by griefers, isn't a viable option.If the network functions as an effective communication medium people *will* be drawn back into it, as the existence of such a network is incredibly useful. If it *worked* you wouldn't be able to practice law or hold public office without a fediverse account. But because it's so broken by internal censorship this won't happen.
(DIR) Post #AYBymKPLngROy4imUS by crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe
2023-07-29T16:36:40.516880Z
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So the problem/pattern I see here is that people pose projects/platforms like Mastodon and Linux as alternatives to things like Twitter and Windows, when people come to try it out, they:are disappointed it’s not like what they were usingare pushed away by existing usersget scolded for not being said existing community (not having prior knowledge, etc.)This is a common pattern in FOSS and… to be honest… fuck you all. This is why we still sit around complaining about proprietary shit, because you can’t think for the average pleb for once, and instead develop things for your developer buddies with the expectation that we must pray to RMS each night.
(DIR) Post #AYBynTvNu3FglzFrmK by gamer@bungle.online
2023-07-29T16:37:15.736Z
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@crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe preach!
(DIR) Post #AYC0LmR1gjpdyvyQwS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T16:54:24Z
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@jeffcliff > you are missing 2 underlying causesI think you're missing a deeper cause. People who dogpile - regardless of their perceived moral or ideological justifications - are asshats and need to take a long walk off a short pier. The world simple doesn't need that toxic combination of entitlement and aggression.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYC0V2q24QtZSi5Vbs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-29T16:56:16.627645Z
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How about you fight your battles, I'll fight mine. There's plenty of people who deserve a dogpile. Here's one @sillygirl420 .
(DIR) Post #AYC0XPOTBHBzznK4Ya by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T16:55:58.498007Z
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@crafti not really, the problem is that often expect to be serviced for free, being spoiled by proprietary stuff that spoils them in exchange for ad revenue, they want same service in exchange for nothing and refuse to lower their quality standards, the want solutions to unknown problems but don't even provide constructive suggestions. And people who advocate for normies either propose and defend nonsensical changes that literally no one including normies cares about or propose features that were made for sole purpose of milking people more and more.
(DIR) Post #AYC0eLl16Cj6kFB9Oq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-29T16:57:55Z
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@jeffcliff > But because it's so broken by internal censorship this won't happenCry me a river. People not being able to get spam and other low-grade, high-volume nonsense delivered to those who don't want to see it, is a feature not a bug. Without it, any social network quickly turns into either a multi-level marketing conference, or a Nazi bar, or a horrific combination of both. Just look at FarceBook and Titter.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYC0nVTGLy1LTfEzaK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-29T16:59:40.890984Z
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> Just look at FarceBook and Titter....both massively successful to the extent they didn't censor and let *users* organize their own damn social lives rather than decide that for them.Also wrt 'nazi bar' how many nazis do you think are out there? If they are *so* numerous that they could actually dominate the fediverse you've got bigger problems than dogpiling.
(DIR) Post #AYC1lWOI3vzphmX3wG by simon_lucy@mastodon.social
2023-07-29T17:10:22Z
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@strypey @mwt @charlesroper @staidwinnow @paninid @naught101 @stephengentle @kissane You think you get them all on Twitter? Absolutely not. You follow hashtags as a continuous search that's fine. Lists also work. If you want to widen the results then follow someone from as many instances as you can.I haven't done the latter because the total volume I get is sufficient at the moment. But I could.
(DIR) Post #AYC26rkhpt1w2QC93Y by crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe
2023-07-29T17:01:19.597023Z
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@hj That is fair, but I definitely care about trying to appeal to people who cause us to complain that we have to stick around with companies. I see the solution to be as simple as ripping off the proprietary product while maintaining the same if not better quality. I get that we aren't paid and users suck but complaining about companies existing while pushing away people? That's what angers me and what I see as hypocrisy.
(DIR) Post #AYC26sSJDluODeay1I by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:13:55.977567Z
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@crafti I mean... ripping off while maintaining level of quality ain't simple, there are things we don't uderstand fully, you'd think making super mario bros clone is easy until you realise that you made physics completely wrong and it doesn't quite feel the way it should. And you can say it feels even better but next person would say it feels worse, the goalposts are not well defined and we don't know what we are doing, some would want something the same but without the flaws, but others won't settle for anything except perfect copy.I don't think anybody is pushing people away, it is just clashes of culture. Some people are terminally online, some people are terminally offline, some watch tv too much, some are just tired. You can't expect literally everyone to get along, that's just how society is.And it goes deeper - pleroma provides options, but someone might say there's too many, someone would say software should not provide options at all, and yet another person will not even check if options are a thing.And not to mention, a lot of software wasn't exactly developed as a replacement for something else, some things are just runaway success and creators are simply not ready for it or ill equipped.
(DIR) Post #AYC26taV0o3PjLR1QO by crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe
2023-07-29T17:04:31.573821Z
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@hj The blog post I'm referencing had constructive criticism as far as I see. Those aren't technical users but they definitely had wishes of what they wanted and I don't think those are too hard to come up with a solution for.Building some kind of algorithm and better discoverability must be possible in some way, right?
(DIR) Post #AYC2VUJu5ruKbUOnmS by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:18:22.871795Z
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@crafti algorithmic timelines will always be biased towards something. Making those and making server software and client software has almost nothing in common.People who make and maintain telephone networks and people who make yellowpages are two completely different groups, and they barely know how other side work. You don't go to McDonald's and ask janitor to make you fries. You can't expect news anchor to know how NTSC works.
(DIR) Post #AYC2YkmbLEt6WzNZYW by crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe
2023-07-29T17:16:27.127516Z
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@hj Totally agree. But I don't think we are that far off, when I see elk.zone, I definitely know we are almost there making a Twitter replacement, for harboring refugees.At least that can be helpful for migrating people away from Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AYC2csxmrvwj3oa7X6 by mia@freespeechextremist.com
2023-07-29T17:20:11.391161Z
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@jeffcliff @strypey @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @adamgreenfield > If they are *so* numerous that they could actually dominate the fediverse you've got bigger problems than dogpiling.Remember when you had a full mental break and claimed to be saving Canada from the "fascist vanguard" of truckers? I mean, gosh. Get your booster shot, you're not thinking clearly.
(DIR) Post #AYC3RcH0gJ1i4AlNdA by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T17:22:01.446Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe chronological timelines are just as biased and id rather have several things biased towards different things than just the 1 with a bias that clearly doesnt work for a lot of people
(DIR) Post #AYC3Rczg0EkuIhf3Fg by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:28:53.028142Z
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@desea @crafti chronological timelines are easier to implement, it's pretty straightforward in fact. Algorithmic timelines... im not sure if there's even open... information on how those are supposed to work at all, it's like one of those things like high frequency trading algorithms that people make in secret basements and refuse to talk about them or else it will break.One thing I know for certain - algorithmic timelines require feedback for calibration and feedback means more tracking, the more tracking the better it works. Now everyone, raise your hand if you want tracking? Raise another if you want to be responsible for implementing tracking.
(DIR) Post #AYC49n4dt1bEIz2g7c by crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe
2023-07-29T17:23:25.844798Z
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@hj Well, if I had a stupid example it would be that we have Pleroma and Soapbox. That together is one package which caters to specific user demographic.Bias is definitely hard, cater to the user and they end up in some extremist bubble (that represents their interests/opinion), cater to the instance, and the user might be uninterested.But this is all theoretical, it doesn't mean we should stop here. If we sit around and just discuss and not at least try to come up with something, we'll miss the next Twitter or (insert social platform here) migration. I really just want to have the big platforms just lose users to something that we all benefit from. Even if it means we will attract trash (but even that we should be able to handle).
(DIR) Post #AYC49oFfVW0txTCzwm by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:36:52.180063Z
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@crafti don't worry, big companies are losing users to soil and grass, as they are unable to deal with anger and stress of being more and more mentally exploited and be forced to touch grass.... or be buried in soil after a heart attack.Pleroma doesn't really cater to anyone, it's just that it's so easy to use and deploy that everyone can use it, even including people you don't like. It's just that certain sorts of folk are more loud and more willing to cooperate and tolerate others... at least for awhile.Cooperation ain't easy, you know, and people often won't get along unless forced to. Big corps have power hierarchy and HR department to deal with that, we don't.
(DIR) Post #AYC4FXgC2FAKIXLh4q by dveditz@infosec.exchange
2023-07-29T17:37:38Z
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@strypey @Agent661 @kissaneScale catches people by surprise. Happens in the real world too: every town has a story about the teen who held a house party for friends (their sports team, say) but 150 kids from school show up (friends of friends of friends) and things get out of hand
(DIR) Post #AYC4OtJuwdyO1PO5se by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T17:32:29.466Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe theres a couple of assumptions there, like 0 concious input for discoverability from the user and instead having to stalk them for it, when a lot of people rightly dont want to be discoverable alsoso even just self assignable user categories/tags like ppl already put in their bios, that servers could list when asked could help with getting something basic together, and thats just me thinking about it for 5 seconds like it really cant be that hard unless we try to copy tiktok or similar 1:1
(DIR) Post #AYC4OxWTJuON3VIB0K by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:39:31.490082Z
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@desea @crafti I personally used twitter in like 2010 for couple of hours just to talk to my friends, and I never used tiktok so I wouldn't know how it works. You can always propose changes so foss projects and also hey, followbots exist for such purposes too.
(DIR) Post #AYC4znOdvrF6MdCAts by shpuld@shpposter.club
2023-07-29T17:46:30.529222Z
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@hj @crafti @desea algo timelines are essentially invisible weighted tagging of all posts based on various factors including which type of users are engaging with it. and yeah users get tagged based on their engaged content/follows too. essentially very hard to pull off in federated context outside of massive instances with enough dara
(DIR) Post #AYC5G1AwTC1xjSWRDE by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T17:42:01.219Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe id be closest to just making a new 'fedi' backend from scratch, tho itd probably be closer to original misskey to mastodon the way its featureset would have to be to justify making something new instead of expanding existing ones
(DIR) Post #AYC5G1v1hqtU2O5F2m by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:49:09.984448Z
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@desea @crafti starting from scratch is NEVER easy.
(DIR) Post #AYC5HqzBKGMOhztei0 by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T17:48:18.739Z
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@shpuld@shpposter.club @hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe "algorithmic" timeline doesnt mean shit on its own, sure quollocially its what you describe but we dont have to literally 1:1 do that, hell look at how tumblr handles tags even that alone would be great already
(DIR) Post #AYC5HrjcXbVV21ck5o by shpuld@shpposter.club
2023-07-29T17:49:44.588024Z
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@desea @hj @crafti the general idea of pulling more content to discover from is good, but yeah it requires your server to discover that stuff first. maybe doable somehow
(DIR) Post #AYC5iw5yR8QSNGzHto by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T17:51:06.955Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe i dont expect it to be easy, profitable or fun but i expect it to be doable given others have managed in the past
(DIR) Post #AYC5iwstVFYcozsM9Q by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:54:23.883084Z
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@desea @crafti others had entire teams behind them, but you'll be alone.
(DIR) Post #AYC695WxykBfAP5EWW by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T17:55:44.466Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe im in no rush, have stable income and decent living conditions so meh
(DIR) Post #AYC696N4qzs3m1SqkS by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T17:59:08.767201Z
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@desea @crafti it's not about time nor money tho.
(DIR) Post #AYC6f3vHUZJ3Rlhdaq by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:01:23.831Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe then what is it about?
(DIR) Post #AYC6f4pe70OQGa4eRs by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T18:04:55.489407Z
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@desea @crafti brainpower and diverstiy of skills and knowledge.
(DIR) Post #AYC7CN9B2QPOcr5ORk by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:07:33.669Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe hm, meh i can aquire skills and knowledge on the way
(DIR) Post #AYC7COKucHOEJXaHNQ by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T18:10:55.536318Z
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@desea @crafti it's harder than you think, especially if you're starting from scratch.
(DIR) Post #AYC7POwLgOFLx3IYd6 by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:12:25.151Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe worst case it goes nowhere and i "waste" some time learning new skills i can apply elsewhere so meh
(DIR) Post #AYC7PPct8EH44zCWw4 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T18:13:28.759955Z
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@desea @crafti I mean, do you want to waste 30 years working on it for free?
(DIR) Post #AYC7jB2n3droe3k0si by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:14:35.844Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe yknow what, why not, 30 years is a stretch to begin with but if i just have it as a sidething i occasionally pour time into i dont see the harm
(DIR) Post #AYC7jBk2SqSgoByYIC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T18:15:30.423018Z
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@desea @crafti yeah if it's gonna be a side thing make it a 90+
(DIR) Post #AYC82UZ6hbxCgv4DwG by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:17:50.723Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe gonna designate an heir and pass it like a clan duty lets fucking goooo
(DIR) Post #AYC82VGM6oY4r3IlLk by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T18:19:49.874887Z
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@desea @crafti yeah well the problem that you just want to mess with it, you don't seem to care much about result.
(DIR) Post #AYC8Q0ilJXzl54nWPQ by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:21:55.702Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe i have a goal, i'll get however far i get pursuing that, can you say more for yourself?
(DIR) Post #AYC8Q1QMhQsDGJCLNA by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T18:24:35.881825Z
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@desea @crafti yeah, my goals are more realistic and flexible and I prefer to cooperate wish ppl.
(DIR) Post #AYCAiVTftsWrakgizw by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2023-07-29T18:50:50.242143Z
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@kaia @kissane Precisely.
(DIR) Post #AYCAntKgdRnR1b3GMK by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-29T18:51:48Z
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@kissane choosing to sign up or not for a free service stresses you out? I can't imagine the trauma a restaurant menu inflicts.
(DIR) Post #AYCBg4cCu2fbee5BVw by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T18:27:26.472Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe neat. Im a bit curious about the team part though, you said i was gonna be alone on this earlier but afaik i havent really indicated anything like that earlier
(DIR) Post #AYCBg5LECegNuH98gi by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T19:00:42.280900Z
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@desea @crafti you want to start from scratch instead of extending existing solutions. Starting from scratch means essentially working alone until you get other people interested in contributing, and most people usually have same idea as you - start from scratch. If you extend existing solutions you already have people who work on the project helping you.
(DIR) Post #AYCBkZ83ObKLRv7XkW by buttplugio@buttplug.zone
2023-07-29T19:02:08Z
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@strypey @cjordahl @onan @derwinmcgeary @mawhrin @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip @kissane Sure, I'm silly, but I also contributed to the OP survey because my sentiments follow what's laid out there. I really do not enjoy posting here, but I endure.I get a *lot* of complaints in my notifications and I respond by blocking. Keeps both sides happy, but this is the only system it happens on.
(DIR) Post #AYCCGnCkb8GEN4gVSi by filenotfound@spinster.xyz
2023-07-29T19:08:14.327579Z
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@kissane PLEASE PUT A CW, THIS POST IS STRESSING ME! IM HAVING POST-PICKING INSTANCE ANXIETY ATTACK RN (RIGHT NOW)
(DIR) Post #AYCCH7e4bG03lbcbpI by desea@snug.moe
2023-07-29T19:03:04.467Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @crafti@akkoma.0x68756773.moe hm, so youre saying i should find other people who are unhappy with existing fedi software and get together to make something new?
(DIR) Post #AYCCH8Lfz8sVwq1Qn2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-29T19:07:49.601428Z
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@desea @crafti that's probably... not how it works but worth the try.
(DIR) Post #AYCGDU3Pk68RvNzlfk by BernardSheppard@mastodon.au
2023-07-29T19:52:06Z
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@strypey @mawhrin @cjordahl @derwinmcgeary @kissane @gelato_al_pollo @tip I happily moved instance once, after a pile on from the admins of another geographically similar domain when, because of my apparent birth gender, I couldn't possibly have the "lived experience" (full ironic air quotes) that they thought were the tickets to comment on a particular issue. When I was warned to CW I finally, politely reminded them that if what I was discussing was triggering, they could filter, mute or fuck off, and instead I fucked off instead.I am sure that they felt pleased with themselves in their post pile on circle jerk.
(DIR) Post #AYCQ1veyHJWXboguye by codinghorror@infosec.exchange
2023-07-29T21:41:33Z
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@strypey @jens @charlesroper @kissane in my experience, this preference usually boils down to "I like Reddit-style zillion headed hydra threaded discussions" .. we have limited forms of this in Discourse (and real-time chat lanes, too) see https://blog.codinghorror.com/discussions-flat-or-threaded/ and https://blog.codinghorror.com/web-discussions-flat-by-design/
(DIR) Post #AYCSg8h7R1c7WiztIm by roipoussiere@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
2023-07-29T22:11:51Z
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@strypey I didn't know that federating Discourse instances over AP was envisaged, but it's interesting, are there some articles about that?@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYCacXj9Dm2Bdhk5S4 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-29T23:40:54Z
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@strypey No, to use your lego brick analogy, if you've found a good way to glue them together, do it. That's what I'm talking about. Knives are actually a very powerful example of this. There are so many different types because each type is specialized for one job. There exist hybrid types for hybrid jobs, but by and large each is good for one job.Nobody is shipping a blade you can trim to size, and if the handle isn't firmly attached... lawsuit.@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYCiRNqGQuqvQeGDuy by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-29T23:48:15Z
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@codinghorror Nah... it's just confusing to navigate for me. I'll admit, I haven't tried to analyse it too much. I just notice that things don't have a location for me unless someone sends me a link, or I have a notification. It's like I cannot build a mental map of the topics here. I'm not sure why that is, though.I'm on a bunch of discourse forums, though, and they're all the same from this perspective. Reddit is a different hell.@strypey @charlesroper @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYCiROgjHqou3Mo7hA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T01:08:35Z
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@jens> It's like I cannot build a mental map of the topics here. I'm not sure why that is, thoughIntriguing, I can't do that either with Discourse, but I don't find that's something I need. you might enjoy Loomio more that Discourse or Reddit.@codinghorror @charlesroper @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYCmeVoGWJ4JinqEXQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T01:55:50Z
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@roipoussiere> I didn't know that federating Discourse instances over AP was envisagedThere's some details here:https://meta.discourse.org/t/activitypub-plugin/266794@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYCnu7oJcGJZsQsDgm by dulcedemon@beekeeping.ninja
2023-07-30T02:09:47Z
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@strypey @kissane I won't even try to pronounce its new name.
(DIR) Post #AYColuFuEHOBTTQKZM by union@mu.zaitcev.nu
2023-07-30T02:19:36.646019Z
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@jeremiah @kissane On the one hand, that was a deserved mocking, but on the other hand - you're proving zer point. BTW, did you see that "not fun" section? Mastodon-affiliated instances tend to block the fun segment of Fediverse. So new users who sign up for "Mastodon" have no idea what they're missing.
(DIR) Post #AYCp40BmuIlf5c7svI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T02:22:49Z
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@charlesroper> I always feel good when I find a Discourse forumMe too. There's no accounting for taste, I guess :) @ocramius @jens @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYCpIO4WuKyNDPagS0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T02:25:25Z
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@jensYou seem determined to find a way to disagree with anything I say on this, without really engaging with the points I'm trying to make. So I think I'll say; thanks for sharing your viewpoint and challenging my take on UX, and leave it there.@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYCpTTjkBd8xyB9nZQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T02:27:27Z
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@lispi314> I would actually cite Discourse as one of the worst forums I've usedYou're not alone, see some of the follow-up comments. No amounting for taste, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AYCpdBfIERHUohhkDA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T02:29:12Z
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@dulcedemon> I won't even try to pronounce its new nameCandyman... Candyman... ; )@kissane
(DIR) Post #AYDHplWDYIXECrFIQK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T07:44:42Z
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@buttplugio> Sure, I'm silly... I get a *lot* of complaints in my notificationsJust in case it wasn't clear, silly in the context is a compliment. Stumbling across your account gave me some of the best belly laughs I've found in the verse! Same with @onan (Praise Bob!)@cjordahl @derwinmcgeary @mawhrin @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYDI2zMJPDqCtauxpQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T07:47:35Z
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@buttplugio> I really do not enjoy posting hereI'm really sorry to hear that : (> I get a *lot* of complaints in my notificationsWhy don't these entitled bullies just mute you and move on? Oh right, they're bullies.> this is the only system it happens onI wonder what is about the verse that's attracted the Neighborhood Watch types?@onan @cjordahl @derwinmcgeary @mawhrin @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYDJunMwIeZbIkQqdk by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-30T08:08:24Z
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@strypey I'm not determined to disagree with you, but I am determined not to have my words misunderstood. If I write X, and you write that you interpret it as Y, that's not disagreement, it's misunderstanding.I prefer to clear that up, is all.The only thing I disagree with is the notion that UX applies universally to everyone 🤷♂️ @charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYDPVioyfeGxgLyS2a by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T09:11:12Z
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@jeffcliff> how many nazis do you think are out there?I chose the phrase "Nazi bar" for a reason, web search it. You're taking an ideological position, not a situational one. Which is just the inverse of the equally impractical 'permission required from admin before federation' position. (1/2)@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYDPhpa3MjZ87XldXk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T09:13:24Z
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@jeffcliffThe point is, there's no sensible reason to make everyone in the verse manually block every spammer. Not when admins can block them for everyone on the server, and block entire domains that harbour their accounts.By the same token, there's no sensible reason to make everyone who speaks up for reproductive liberty, manually block the mouthbreathers that react to that with slurs and threats.(2/3)@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYDQUbFNRhpnr7Lp9U by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T09:22:14Z
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@jeffcliffI'm all for freedom of expression. I defend people''s right to set up an instance, say whatever they want, and federate that out to be heard. But for exactly the same reason - respect for universal human rights - I'm all for voluntary association. Which means the right to exclude spammers or mouthbreathers from everyone else's servers, and Nazis from your bar. (3/3)@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYDfeLlrL5Ga48eSqu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T12:12:04Z
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@jens> The only thing I disagree with is the notion that UX applies universally to everyoneSpoken like a true engineer ; )https://piped.video/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM> If I write X, and you write that you interpret it as Y, that's not disagreement, it's misunderstandingIndeed. I think that's what's happening here with UX. I don't think it means what you think it means.@charlesroper @codinghorror @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYDmogLqNMaeTBMBYu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T13:32:07Z
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@charlesroper> Just conscious of Erin’s notification mountain when she’s backThanks for the reminder. I've gone back and pruned Erin's @handle off most of the posts in the thread. Would you be willing to do this too @jens? If she's interested, she can still follow the whole thread from the initial jumping off point.> it might be best to take your debate to a separate threadDebate over, at this point it's just banter 😄
(DIR) Post #AYDpXNcp2tj5KajvbE by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-30T14:02:26Z
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@strypey @charlesroper @codinghorror Linking to a video is one of those experience things. Could you give me the TL;DR?Instead of saying that I don't understand UX, why don't you give me your definition instead?
(DIR) Post #AYE5THxVllxBrjUJTk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-30T17:01:28.442142Z
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Yeah, I know what you're referring to and I dispute its relevance.>. You're taking an ideological position, not a situational one. > Which is just the inverse of the equally impractical 'permission required from admin before federation' position.:yes: > reason to make everyone in the verse manually block every spammer. note the slight of hand where 'spam' replaced what we were actually talking about>. Not when admins can block them for everyone on the server, and block entire domains that harbour their accounts.One persons spam is another persons viagra bill. > By the same token, there's no sensible reason to make everyone who speaks up for reproductive liberty, manually block the mouthbreathers that react to that with slurs and threats.Now we're talking about reproductive liberty all of a sudden?Slurs and threats are part of human communication. If you're getting them it means you're pissing someone off. What you're really against is people disagreeing with eachother, and in particular people disagreeing with you. > Which means the right to exclude spammers or mouthbreathers from everyone else's servers, and Nazis from your bar.Except the fediverse is not a bar, and in practice what this means is massive blocklists of the politically unpopular. @nazi_accusations shows exactly what this argument is used for: for repressing *everyone* left and right.
(DIR) Post #AYE8WZT9QGzgu7XmWO by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2023-07-30T17:23:15Z
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@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @strypey @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @nazi_accusations @Lotema @jeffcliffPretty sure that someone pushing for censorship here blocks us also.
(DIR) Post #AYEXpAVwvUGNrdokU4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T22:19:05Z
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@jens> Could you give me the TL;DR?It's just a bit of comedy. Don't worry about it.> why don't you give me your definition instead?It's exactly what is says on the tin; everything and anything that affects the User eXperience of using software. Although inspired by @aral, it recently occurred to me that HX (Human eXperience) is a better term.(1/2)@charlesroper @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYEYITUhRFtR7wCuIa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T22:24:20Z
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@jensWhen you say:> Assuming UX is universal implies assuming all people have the same abilities and hindrances... it seems to imply that UX/HX is a specific set of rules or standards. When it's just the ongoing process of exploring, explaining, and coming up with solutions to problems like;> how *writing* alt text decreases accessibility for dyslexic folk@aral @charlesroper @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYEYyeWCqBsxTs1XCS by buttplugio@buttplug.zone
2023-07-30T22:31:45Z
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@strypey @onan @cjordahl @derwinmcgeary @mawhrin @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip @kissane The best part is when they're people that FOLLOW ME. It's just like "Did I not make the name obvious enough? Did you not get what was happening when you clicked follow on the account with the word buttplug in it *twice*?"But anyways, thanks! I have no plans on like, dropping masto or anything, and I do like most of my interactions here. Just more tiring than other places sometimes.
(DIR) Post #AYEbHvJaocv2z7ROJE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T22:57:54Z
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@jensThe whole point of HX design is that there is no universal HCI (Human/Computer Interface or "UI") that works for everyone. Which, ironically, is a point I made very early in the discussion, and one of the first things you disagreed with. Now you're putting forward as your own argument.Can you see how I came to the conclusion that you're just determined to disagree with anything I say on the subject?@charlesroper @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYEeuxNZNI8OXibZWy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T23:38:22Z
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@jeffcliff> I know what you're referring toMaybe, but you clearly don't understand it yet.> if there are SO many nazis that they can drown out the entire fediverseLet me try a different metaphor. How much shit can you put in a sandwich before it becomes a shit sandwich? Your tolerance for eating shit might be higher, but my answer is "any". @BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @nazi_accusations @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYEfTAo9x8fI2OMFwe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T23:44:46Z
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@jeffcliff> Slurs and threats are part of human communicationMaybe. By the same logic, you could say punching and killing people when one disagrees with them is also "part of human communication". So?People are entitled to protect themselves against both physical *and* verbal abuse, both individually *and* collectively.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @nazi_accusations @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYEfZMad3s0YJcysAS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-30T23:45:52Z
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@jeffcliff> What you're really against is people disagreeing with eachother, and in particular people disagreeing with youI agree this attitude is out there. I disagree with it as much as you do. But if it was true of me - or the mods of my instance - I wouldn't even be seeing your posts my friend; )You're slaughtering a strawman.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @nazi_accusations @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYEjbGASJFKqnFtkTg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T00:31:02Z
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@buttplugio>bDid you not get what was happening when you clicked follow on the account with the word buttplug in it *twice*?"I think this sums it up nicely:https://piped.video/watch?v=HQtNzXzDPX0(Side Note: anyone know how I embed video memes like that in my posts, such that people can watch them from inside their fediverse apps?)@onan @cjordahl @derwinmcgeary @mawhrin @BernardSheppard @gelato_al_pollo @tip @kissane
(DIR) Post #AYEq2ZgiROJgsWOaOW by hyde@lazybear.social
2023-07-31T01:43:16Z
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@charlesroper @kissane for this click on the bell near the "unfollow" button. You'll never miss their post again
(DIR) Post #AYExYKzHKeNCEOAexc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-31T03:07:27.602497Z
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more like "take a shit in the ocean how many shits can you take in the oean before you wouldn't want to swim in it" really, we're talking about tens to, depending how many servers threads federates with, hundreds of millions of people
(DIR) Post #AYExd5iTXLDSJhZuE4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-31T03:08:19.376314Z
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> Maybe. By the same logic, you could say punching and killing people when one disagrees with them is also "part of human communication". So?Words are not violence. Punching someone is something more than communication, it is physical interaction. A communications network is a different thing than a physical battleground.
(DIR) Post #AYF73tQOFCcPbJyQuO by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-31T04:53:47Z
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@strypey I hate to do this, but this is the first post I've seen of yours in this thread, with my first following, where you are either not making this point or you're doing so so obliquely that I can't understand it. Whereas I'm literally making it.I'm not sure what you're talking about.@charlesroper @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYFFR1igMvbnca4VxQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T06:27:40Z
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@jeffcliff> more like "take a shit in the ocean how many shits can you take in the oean before you wouldn't want to swim in it"Me: This isn't an argument, it's just contradiction.Jeff: No it isn't.https://piped.video/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @nazi_accusations @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYFG52CC1CmqgGx6GW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T06:34:58Z
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@jeffcliffIf you want to understand my perspective, it might help to read my comments in the context of the whole post. Even better, read my posts in the context of the whole thread. Bonus reads for reading the thread in the context of our previous interactions.It's easy to cherry-pick decontextualised sentences, and contradict them with cliched talking points. It's a waste of your time and mine.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @nazi_accusations @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYFH3Mfb1aY7YVTOL2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T06:45:48Z
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@jensTo explore a disagreement productively, we need to do within some shared context. This thread long since lost its moorings in any shared context, so it's getting us nowhere fast. I suggest we just park it for now.@charlesroper @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYFITNAlsTLWbA1KPg by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-07-31T07:01:45Z
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@strypey OK, so let me recap: I enter the thread with a point. You claim you made the point and accuse me of revising the history. Now that I pointed this out, you suggest we just stop.I agree with that suggestion. I would further suggest that the next time we end up in the same discussion, you figure out the context before replying. Thanks!@charlesroper @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AYFKsuQxYBxeu5tfHc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T07:28:48Z
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@jeffcliff> because [the fediverse is] so broken by internal censorship this won't happenI've been moderating online spaces since the late 90s. I started out with *exactly* the same naive, laissez-faire attitude to it as you. Over time, like everyone who actually does moderation, I learned why that doesn't work. I've never seen a better write-up of this learning curve than this one:https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/(1/2)@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYFLCHV40zrDwc3OvA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T07:32:19Z
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@jeffcliff Underlying this naive, laissez-faire attitude to moderation is set of fallacies common among geeks, who grow up experiencing high levels of exclusion from normies society. The best write-up I've seen of this is:https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/I found reading this *very* challenging to my conception of my identity, and of how community works. But when I really made myself sit down and think about it...@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYFLFs5ESIhIH4gQ7M by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T07:32:35Z
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@jeffcliff Underlying this naive, laissez-faire attitude to moderation is set of fallacies common among geeks, who grow up experiencing high levels of exclusion from normies society. The best write-up I've seen of this is:https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/I found reading this *very* challenging to my conception of my identity, and of how community works. But when I really made myself sit down and think about it...(2/2)@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYFrcUUhWTJaJ7QSFk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-31T13:35:40.327147Z
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...except copyright infringement *isn't* bad. This argument falls apart as soon as you start treating it as a failure mode rather than a justification for moderationWe *still* have high levels of exclusion , thanks to large degree because of shared blacklists.
(DIR) Post #AYFrwsVnw1FCaZfBSa by danso@mtl.rocks
2023-07-31T05:09:51.219971Z
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@jens @strypey Totally agreed: Discourse bewilders me every time (why does it say I haven’t read this? Why doesn’t it show me these posts I haven’t read?)Lobsters (https://lobste.rs) is my idea of good web forum software.
(DIR) Post #AYFrwtJ4yoex3OiXGS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T13:38:58Z
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@danso > Discourse bewilders me every time ... Lobsters is my idea of good web forum softwareThat checks out. See:https://infosec.exchange/@codinghorror/110799545529725884
(DIR) Post #AYG07sesWw2FrTfHjk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T15:10:46Z
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@jeffcliff > We *still* have high levels of exclusion , thanks to large degree because of shared blacklistsThen come up with the better solution, and convince the people who moderate heavily to adopt it. Otherwise you're pissing into the wind mate.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYG113VxrubTSUnyIS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-31T15:20:57.621536Z
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My solution to the rainbow curtain is simple
(DIR) Post #AYGYsRjxpDmgQeQ48G by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-31T21:40:17Z
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@jeffcliffThat's why you keeping getting piss all over you. Good luck with that...@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @vivsmythe @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield @Lotema
(DIR) Post #AYHh42YYHJV4aX54Km by vivsmythe@mastodon.au
2023-08-01T10:46:37Z
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@strypey @jeffcliff@shitposter.club @BrettCoulstock @jedmund @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield I don't use shared blocklists myself, but I have zero regrets about blocking certain instances based on their choice of server-name alone, and any instance I encounter with "shitpost" in its name is one and done for me. Life's too short.
(DIR) Post #AYHlkW8j4s4KJpVkUi by vivsmythe@mastodon.au
2023-08-01T10:51:07Z
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@strypey @BrettCoulstock @jedmund @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield on the subject of which, I can't see accounts on those instances I've muted or blocked, but can they still see my account's posts? It doesn't particularly bother me if they can, since I won't see any replies from them, just wondering.
(DIR) Post #AYHlkWtWGtV0exP7Qm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-01T11:39:14Z
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@vivsmythe> I can't see accounts on those instances I've muted or blocked, but can they still see my account's posts?AFAIK if you mute them, they can still see your posts. If you block them, they can't. That's the only difference between the two.@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @raikas @coreyf
(DIR) Post #AYHltltJsoo1mGiYAi by adamgreenfield@social.coop
2023-08-01T10:49:00Z
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@vivsmythe @coreyf @raikas @strypey @BrettCoulstock @jedmund Why am I on this list? I have nothing to do with this conversation and would appreciate being left out of it, thanks.
(DIR) Post #AYHltmWfWWHVkJ7yVM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-01T11:40:55Z
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@adamgreenfield> I have nothing to do with this conversation and would appreciate being left out of it, thanksWilldo.FYI if your app has Mute Conversation, that's a useful tool for this situation.@vivsmythe @coreyf @raikas @BrettCoulstock @jedmund
(DIR) Post #AYHly0bh71yeZlUgiG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-01T11:41:35Z
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@vivsmythe> any instance I encounter with "shitpost" in its name is one and done for meWhy's that?@BrettCoulstock @jedmund @raikas @coreyf @adamgreenfield
(DIR) Post #AYUOXt9jCDFwpdpn3A by mfriess@mastodon.social
2023-07-29T16:04:01Z
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☝🏻 Good read about why people leave #Mastodon.@kissane summarized replies from people who moved on to #bluesky.
(DIR) Post #AYUOXu2ftvCza3XfhA by PsiByrd@wien.rocks
2023-07-31T19:21:29Z
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@sammi That’s one thing I often notice on #Mastodon : the user base here is mostly from the political left. A lot of new social networks derived from tech are leaning towards the political left. But on Mastodon or Diaspora that’s extreme in my experience. I don’t know if that’s attractive to many users who are not clearly leftist. 🤷🏼♂️
(DIR) Post #AaiS588Nnumq1iTyUK by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-10-13T04:16:44Z
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Brilliant!These observations apply not just to Mastodon, but to #Fediverse as a whole. From my experience, fediverse favours "content creators" over "content consumers". Also, features differ across platforms.What I would like to read next, is your opinion, why, as you wrote, "grouping people according their interests is essentially flawed". I like the idea, bur I am also interested in opposing perspectives.
(DIR) Post #AblJsTIslpII8tJEA4 by VikingKong@pl.starnix.network
2023-11-13T11:24:40.300601Z
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@kissane You, people who "Fediverse? What's the Fediverse, I use Mastodon" are so annoying.
(DIR) Post #AqMVHAVl8eJHcokqtk by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-01-23T04:06:07.378800Z
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@kissane virtually all of this resolves to "fediblock and the strict rules that the other side of the rainbow curtain has, has ruined onboarding for all of these people who could be on the fediverse but are on bluesky now instead"
(DIR) Post #AqNonh9xNfNOR5jwbQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-01-23T19:19:36.602451Z
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@kissane They don't have to mention it. The other symptoms all point to it>, and so did being unable to find people.that's what a network full of instances who block eachother for bullshit reasons does: it means people joining the network can't find eachother, can't find information, and can't communicate generally.