Post AY1jK119S25INEdlZ2 by Kyleric@urbanists.social
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(DIR) Post #AY1inqHTpmkfo9w8XY by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T13:46:19Z
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Let us remember that leading lights of centrism chose “Kids should learn that the enslaved benefited from slavery” as their hill to die on because being anti-anti-Right is their supreme principle, and if that means defending DeSantis’ white nationalism, so be it!
(DIR) Post #AY1inuJkpGwoKN20dk by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T13:49:17Z
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This is a Hall-of-Fame “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time” moment. Imagine the levels of ignorance, arrogance, and intense, reflexive hatred for anything they perceive as coming from “the Left” necessary to arrive at this position.
(DIR) Post #AY1inwPr1Z10prtuQS by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T13:50:45Z
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It’s quite alarming that for some influential centrists, anti-“Left” contrarianism and visceral disdain for anything “woke” overrides everything else, even when confronted with such a blatant, aggressive attempt to restore white nationalist domination over the nation’s history.
(DIR) Post #AY1inzkAeU379kQg0e by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T14:13:33Z
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Not only do these self-proclaimed rational centrists lend cover to the rightwing attempts to re-install an exculpatory reading of U.S. history more in line with the apologist tale with which white nationalists are comfortable – they also reproduce the Right’s hostility towards expertise.
(DIR) Post #AY1io1uWaxWHsRHyQS by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T14:15:22Z
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There is several decades worth of empirical research that emphatically proves these “rational centrist” takes wrong. But people are Friedersdorf and Young are not interested in that. They are not only ignorant – they are actively hostile towards this professional expertise.
(DIR) Post #AY1io3zCsWSAJXUk08 by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T14:16:47Z
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The fact this nonsense is universally rejected by anyone remotely recognizable as a serious scholar is not reason for introspection, but taken as evidence of a left-wing capture of the historical profession, of how much “wokeism” has installed taboos no one dares to touch.
(DIR) Post #AY1io6FaSakDKvAqoK by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T14:18:27Z
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These people have made their choice: Their chosen enemy is the “woke” Left. This puts them on a steady rightward trajectory. They will keep downplaying the warnings about the dangers of rightwing authoritarianism as hysterical while playing up the threat of the “illiberal Left.”
(DIR) Post #AY1io9Y8C6MPZIsCdE by tzimmer_history@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T17:10:49Z
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Such arguments are so obviously advanced as part of an attempt to install an exculpatory narrative more in line with white nationalist sensibilities that it’s utterly disqualifying to pretend otherwise - and in the analogy Nikole Hannah-Jones brings up, every mainstream voice would accept that.
(DIR) Post #AY1iwp1Rsnt6VjihNo by juergen_hubert@thefolklore.cafe
2023-07-24T13:54:32Z
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@tzimmer_history Personally, I assume that anyone who uses "woke" as a slur is a fascist.I've seen little reason to change this assessment so far.
(DIR) Post #AY1iyz6jMDjWMvDoDg by peskypesky@mastodon.world
2023-07-24T14:31:15Z
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@tzimmer_history They WANT a right-wing dictatorship. So how can you "warn them" about it?
(DIR) Post #AY1j6jXb7MQqPFU2jo by dbc3@mastodon.world
2023-07-24T14:40:28Z
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@tzimmer_history anyone who uses the term "wokeism" is a right wing bigot.There is no such thing. It is an invented blatant attempt to brand anyone opposed to white supremacist autocracy as thr enemy. Same thing hitler did with Jews, Gypsies, gays. Exactly what trump is doing with anyone not sucking on his balls.
(DIR) Post #AY1jK0JY49CqC0EwbI by Kyleric@urbanists.social
2023-07-24T13:51:44Z
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@tzimmer_history So I pulled up the National Review article and pretty early on we’re encountering some red flags. “If you are able to read it and conclude that the single reference to slaves developing skills (which I’ve bolded) is indicative of the narrative direction of the course, rather than a tiny (and correct) part of it, then you are beyond saving and you deserve to live your life as an ignoramus.”
(DIR) Post #AY1jK119S25INEdlZ2 by Kyleric@urbanists.social
2023-07-24T13:53:09Z
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@tzimmer_history I just want to emphasize that nobody is debating that the part of the curriculum Harris takes issue with is in there when they call her a liar, they just think that it is *correct.*
(DIR) Post #AY1jK1qYMvCWwegogS by MarkBrigham@universeodon.com
2023-07-24T14:32:41Z
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@tzimmer_history @Kyleric This is the excerpt from the Florida standards which the National Review author claims is correct representation of history: “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”Same author says Harris is lying when she states: “Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery.”
(DIR) Post #AY1jK5WUhRX4LbKqyO by MarkBrigham@universeodon.com
2023-07-24T14:35:19Z
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@tzimmer_history @Kyleric So the logic is: “Standard says slaves benefited from skills”“I agree with that statement”“If you say the standard says slaves benefited, you’re a liar”
(DIR) Post #AY1jK8TPjLqpUuuw5Y by MarkBrigham@universeodon.com
2023-07-24T14:44:13Z
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@tzimmer_history @Kyleric Although the hatchet job on Harris is trash, it’s actually worth reading the whole opinion piece, including the list of standards excerpted therein. I think there are several standards that in the “right” textbook author’s hands will be used to weave a rather insidious narrative… https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/
(DIR) Post #AY1jKB7BuQrDgrXjMm by MarkBrigham@universeodon.com
2023-07-24T14:51:19Z
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@tzimmer_history @Kyleric There are a whole bunch that could open the door to a “slavery wasn’t as bad here as elsewhere” narrative, which may be true but may morph into “American slaves had it good.”And there’s “Instruction includes how slavery increased through natural reproduction and the smuggling of human contraband, in spite of the desire of the Continental Congress to end the importation of slaves.” Natural reproduction. Hmmm.
(DIR) Post #AY1jTXvwRK4x4DkRzk by Kyleric@urbanists.social
2023-07-24T14:39:04Z
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@MarkBrigham @tzimmer_history The thrust of the article seems to be to put words in Harris’ mouth, and cast her statement as saying that Florida was teaching that slavery was a *net* benefit for the enslaved, which is not what she said. We shouldn’t be teaching the pros and cons of slavery, even if on net we teach more cons.