Post AY1d5vo3Qjf4QrPoMS by fgraver@hcommons.social
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(DIR) Post #AY1YFiZH0PJqV0Lggq by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-07-24T15:52:36Z
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I'm editing a piece that mentions the "valley girl stereotype," and I'm debating how to style it. I'm tempted to capitalize it since it comes, in part, from both a movie and song with that title. But you could also argue that it's genericized now. But I've also seen it written as "Valley girl," since we capitalize the nicknames of well-known places.None of my favorite style guides address the topic.What would you do?
(DIR) Post #AY1YPcJZ6taA05ioS0 by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2023-07-24T15:54:22Z
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@grammargirl I'd say "valley girl" because there's a current trend away from capitalisation. Unless the place is known as 'the Valley'.
(DIR) Post #AY1Z0gmlRyN0a73a0O by Lizette603_23@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T16:01:03Z
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@grammargirl I lived there for several years, I'd use Valley Girl, as that's how it was even way back when and I think holds the visual cue you're looking for.
(DIR) Post #AY1ZIxEZ2BDoo8llUu by cswalker21@mastodon.online
2023-07-24T16:04:23Z
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@grammargirl I’ve only ever worked as an editor for a college newspaper and that was over 25 years ago, but if it’s not in your style guide my instinct would be:Valley Girl for references to the title of the movie or song.Valley girl when specifying a girl from the San Fernando Valley.But valley girl in talking about the motif in general.
(DIR) Post #AY1ZXRsJuKbBtUHC8e by lioncourt@lioncourt.social
2023-07-24T16:06:55Z
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@grammargirl As a native southern Californian, I went with “Valley girl”, since that phrase has always leaned heavily on the Valley in my mind. 😎
(DIR) Post #AY1Zh4d3Bw6yh0iviq by pjohanneson@mstdn.ca
2023-07-24T16:05:36Z
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@grammargirl I went with Valley Girl because Kleenex has been essentially genericized but we still capitalize it. ∴ Valley Girl.
(DIR) Post #AY1Zv5TWqDq7N7x61o by Saposcat@mendeddrum.org
2023-07-24T16:11:08Z
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@grammargirl I feel like capitalizing could be a way to clue in readers that may not be familiar with the stereotype that there's something more to the term. That way if they're curious they can dig deeper and appreciate the context.
(DIR) Post #AY1a6a2ZXavfLzp8V6 by mishi@kolektiva.social
2023-07-24T16:13:20Z
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@grammargirl The song was performed by Bonnie Hayes and the wild combo. Love Bonnie Hayes.
(DIR) Post #AY1asfXUOruyJ8DQ3c by orionkidder@writing.exchange
2023-07-24T16:22:03Z
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@grammargirl Off-topic/tangent: is the "Valley girl" actually a thing or just a product of that one record where one girl made up some fake slang for 30 seconds, hence "gag me with a spoon"? (I have never even been to LA, so forgive my lack of local knowledge. If any Los Angelenos would like to enlighten me, I'm here for it.)
(DIR) Post #AY1bDjQZ8eNkRr1KaG by davidhooper@podcastindex.social
2023-07-24T16:25:52Z
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@grammargirl I think this was a thing before the song. And although it originated in Valley Girl (apparently), I've always thought of it as a more generic term. Frank Zappa was from that area, if you didn't know. Maybe it was going on everywhere by just got associated with the location because of his association?
(DIR) Post #AY1bjY7ehoZseYLaWu by CStamp@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T16:31:35Z
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@grammargirl Since it's a specific area I'd capitalize the Valley, and online dictionaries seem to agree, while giving both Girl or girl as correct, so would come down to preference.
(DIR) Post #AY1bkOZ5j3QBIhaEVs by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-07-24T16:31:45Z
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@orionkidder I believe it was a real language thing before it became more widely known through the song and movie.
(DIR) Post #AY1bpOHQDFU3rfhV0i by serpicojam@mas.to
2023-07-24T16:32:38Z
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@grammargirl "Valley Girl" . . . in quotations.
(DIR) Post #AY1c0h1iqwRpBykMMa by dean90815dean@episcodon.net
2023-07-24T16:34:42Z
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@grammargirl I would definitely capitalize Valley because it refers to the San Fernando Valley.
(DIR) Post #AY1cJu6ATcfvEezE92 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-07-24T16:38:10Z
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In case anyone is wondering about dictionaries ...Merriam-Webster says "Valley girl."The Oxford English Dictionary says "Valley Girl"Dictionary.com says either.
(DIR) Post #AY1cVVAyxmk9PnliyG by SocialGaff@cathode.church
2023-07-24T16:40:15Z
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@grammargirl I like Valley Girl.. but my second language is German, and they capitalize all nouns so..
(DIR) Post #AY1cl5043LzSrg5e4G by thecrushedviolet@mstdn.games
2023-07-24T16:43:06Z
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@grammargirl I think a person is a "Valley girl" but the aesthetic is "Valley Girl" but I also fully recognize using both will look odd.
(DIR) Post #AY1d0ctKKPOQJwLsP2 by SergKoren@writing.exchange
2023-07-24T16:45:50Z
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@grammargirl I’d lowercase it. Valley Girl implies a title of some kind. Valley girl, implies the start of a sentence or a girl from a specific Valley. Just my dos Pfennings.
(DIR) Post #AY1d5vo3Qjf4QrPoMS by fgraver@hcommons.social
2023-07-24T16:46:50Z
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@grammargirl When in doubt, I’ve always gone with the OED.
(DIR) Post #AY1dCKEJXLxluykNGq by SergKoren@writing.exchange
2023-07-24T16:48:01Z
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@grammargirl I’d treat it as a military title; lowercase unless referring to a specific person’s title: Valley Girl Tammy.
(DIR) Post #AY1dZxGmYPPlesAX0i by Skyliting@mastodon.sandwich.net
2023-07-24T16:52:19Z
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@grammargirl OED ftw
(DIR) Post #AY1e47imGAvglDeIGe by faticake@mstdn.social
2023-07-24T16:57:45Z
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@grammargirl Collins says “Valley girl” too
(DIR) Post #AY1f8RdIGrozcyhybo by vpermar@mastodon.online
2023-07-24T17:09:44Z
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@grammargirl for what it’s worth, Wikipedia has it as “valley girl”. I would agree, since the term has become more general, and it doesn’t specifically refer to somebody from the San Fernando Valley.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_girl
(DIR) Post #AY1fJJRD50dPOgEqLg by johnmcquaid@journa.host
2023-07-24T17:11:28Z
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@grammargirl The stereotype of a girl from the SFValley preceded the movie/song, and is tied to that location/culture, so "Valley girl" makes the most sense IMO
(DIR) Post #AY1fNKRrGU6XgnSNQe by legalquilts@mstdn.party
2023-07-24T17:12:26Z
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@grammargirl Like, OMG, it's a title. Not just of a movie or song, but of someone with that aesthetic.
(DIR) Post #AY1fbOuNTn2pZlVSwi by pjaymac@mstdn.social
2023-07-24T17:14:58Z
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@grammargirl Neither one mentions Deborah Foreman? :)
(DIR) Post #AY1ie57dneOuwRgEi0 by AccordionBruce@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T17:49:00Z
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@grammargirl Valley is the place, so Valley girl differentiates from “Valley Girl” and Valley Girl the song and movie.
(DIR) Post #AY1j3xT2smaijK1ylM by cwwilkie@zirk.us
2023-07-24T17:53:44Z
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@grammargirl Ah, but what does THE dictionary say?
(DIR) Post #AY1jh8Rc0LiK4H2dG4 by zillion@freeradical.zone
2023-07-24T18:00:44Z
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@grammargirl 'valley girl' unless it specifically refers to a girl from the San Fernando valley. Then 'Valley girl.'
(DIR) Post #AY1sCCsQNFrCQQuStU by mitchw@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T19:36:02Z
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@grammargirl "Valley girl," for sure for sure. Valley refers to a specific place; it's a proper name. "Girl" is not.
(DIR) Post #AY1vCrmYaYdb9aAgz2 by andybechtel@mastodon.online
2023-07-24T20:09:49Z
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@grammargirl However "Solid Gold" styled it. 😃 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb21lsCQ3EM
(DIR) Post #AY1vUpnSi1HUCzA93Y by DanMorgan@vmst.io
2023-07-24T20:13:01Z
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@grammargirl “valley-girl-stereotype”?
(DIR) Post #AY202g6ndRUhp8bKCG by leebennett@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T21:03:56Z
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@grammargirl Based on my quick search, "Valley" is regarded as a formalized title of a place and is capitalized as such. But I find no evidence of “Valley Girl” as a formalized title for a person. Thus, "Valley girl" seems most appropriate to me.
(DIR) Post #AY20p2AguRxy9NTlUO by PackardMoose@universeodon.com
2023-07-24T21:12:45Z
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@grammargirl Lower case G because the minute you capitalize it, it becomes specifically a Frank #Zappa song!
(DIR) Post #AY24ERiDO1jSSuy6wy by mlanger@mastodon.world
2023-07-24T21:50:56Z
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@grammargirl Always in the minority. 🙄
(DIR) Post #AY2AkX4RbAZG4n37KK by dheadshot@mastodon.social
2023-07-24T23:03:59Z
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@grammargirlCould hyphenate it, I guess?
(DIR) Post #AY2Gd6lXbILeBu3C5I by smartwatermelon@worldkey.io
2023-07-25T00:09:50Z
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@grammargirl If it's the song or the movie, "Valley Girl". If it's the fashion lifestyle that nearly every girl in my high school affected, "Valley girl".
(DIR) Post #AY3f9j0JYipY6r0SOm by PackardMoose@universeodon.com
2023-07-25T16:19:23Z
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@grammargirl @orionkidder Basically Moon Zappa wanted to do a song with her dad, so #FrankZappa brought her to the studio to basically recreate conversations with her friends from the Valley and satirize it (as #Zappa liked to do with basically everything). It was definitely a thing outside the song or movie.