Post AY0V185RDM4rJY7Aw4 by supernovae@universeodon.com
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(DIR) Post #AY0V15hy3e7BwB7P4i by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-07-21T13:57:55Z
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The hardest thing about being a mastodon admin isn't the moderation, running servers, paying bills, dealing with users or anything like that.It's dealing with other admins.There is a very thin camaraderie that is easily pierced not because of people being bad, but because of differences of opinions.Those opinions don't get talked about - they create tribes of people who champion them without rational discourse. Say something they don't want to hear and *boom* the tribe attacks and those who may have other perspectives let it happen without saying anything because who wants to face ridicule?This lack of rationality is systemic and problematic - so much so that talking about things in safe spaces is no longer safe.There are no safe spaces.I'm sorry, we need to do better. We need to realize we have differing perspectives but common goals and that doesn't make each other bad or enemies.Advocating for user agency is not a crime.
(DIR) Post #AY0V16RLKwPYCuLdnk by moxfulder@mastodon.online
2023-07-22T08:29:09Z
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For anyone reading this and thinking 'wow, Byron's doing some good honorable work here that sounds really difficult', what he means when he says 'dealing with other admins' is going into the Mastodon Discord and suggesting changes to Mastodon that would harm community instances, like removing the local feed, and then getting told by other admins that that's a bad idea. There's plenty of rational discourse, it's just not in favor of his idea, which must be a pretty new thing for a white guy.🧵
(DIR) Post #AY0V17N7s6dF67Nmro by benny@kirche.social
2023-07-22T15:30:41Z
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@moxfulder @supernovae now I'm curious: How would removing local feeds be a feature one would want?Or to put it in another way: If you are an admin and want local feeds gone, why in hell don't you just do it? Imean it's FLOSS. Change the code, deploy it, boom, everyone's got their way. No need to further argue.
(DIR) Post #AY0V185RDM4rJY7Aw4 by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-07-22T16:09:55Z
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@benny @moxfulder Admins have conversations about big picture things. It's ok to discuss big "fediverse" things beyond the context of our local instances - see a problem, fix it kind of thing.There is a big picture problem of the HOA vibe on mastodon and a lack of user agency when their default post goes to local.I don't have a problem with local chat. I want it to survive in some fashion - maybe as "local only" or better yet as some kind of group. A group that can be moderated independent of a user's agency to their own timeline.This HOA vibe is cited as a reason why people are leaving the fediverse in general. It's not a problem i face on my local instance per se because i don't moderate the local chat to a specific vibe.But i still don't want people to leave the fediverse because other admins essentially wield power over people's agency.Being open source doesn't fix our HOA vibe. Changing inherent designs in the platform that powers a chunk of fedi could
(DIR) Post #AY0V18SpoMnCU73rP6 by moxfulder@mastodon.online
2023-07-22T08:35:25Z
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There's no 'lack of rationality'. What he means is, he's brought up these ideas before, and opinion hasn't changed. He can't understand why local feeds are valuable to instances that run as communities, so any opposition to it is considred 'irrational' and 'tribalism' to him. He's a white guy in tech, he's not used to having his opinions challenged, especially when they're being challenged in favor of building safe spaces* for communities that normally face oppression and discrimination. 🧵
(DIR) Post #AY0V1AFRB9GS18oBnc by moxfulder@mastodon.online
2023-07-22T08:38:23Z
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* No, Byron, 'safe space' does not mean 'a public Discord server where my posts can be copy-pasted or screenshotted elsewhere'. Safe spaces are places where marginalised people can exist in safety, where there are safeguards in place to protect against harassment, discrimination, hate speech, etc. I can understand not knowing this, as you've probably never needed a safe space in your life. It is very disingenous to claim 'there are no safe spaces' when this is your interpretation of safe space.🧵
(DIR) Post #AY0V1AIyxy6GC8T1KC by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-07-22T16:10:12Z
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@benny @moxfulder and guess what - we could change and adapt and have everyone be happy.I have made no such suggestion to harm or change what others like, merely to address a problem that is inherent in the design we have now.One can have a local community and still give users agency and the real problem is attacking me for talking about this obvious problem rather than collaborating to address it.Even Eugen has said he doesn't like the current local and federated timelines - but no one is saying just to yank it out without something to replace it.Yes, if someone on the official discord is talking about user agency - i'll reply we should remove localbut every damn person there knows i follow up with "and replace it with something decoupled from default post type"
(DIR) Post #AY0V1C3SSes1cZDePA by moxfulder@mastodon.online
2023-07-22T08:42:25Z
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When the people in the Mastodon Discord call you out on co-opting and generalising the 'HOA' analogy from Black folk, that's an attempt to create a safe space - not for you, but for people vastly more in need of actual safe spaces. You interpret this as 'problematic', as lack of rational discourse, because you're being held accountable for the things you say and for the harm those things perpetuate. You are framing the people who are trying to create genuine safe spaces as irrational - 🧵
(DIR) Post #AY0V1C7iCqGzplD32G by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-07-22T16:27:39Z
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@benny @moxfulder I'll say it again. The lack of safe spaces for admins to talk is appalling.Why are people so gung-ho to make it unsafe to even talk about things? talk to people? be open? have questions? participate in open dialogue? Challenge the status quo? Make things better? offer different perspectives?It's toxic.I don't care if we have different opinions I don't care that you run your instance like you see fit.I don't care that you have your own block lists.I don't tell you what to do, how to think or anything... If people challenge me, so be it.The users are fine. The admin culture is moving faster and further into toxicity the longer we do nothing about it.ask me questions, have a dialog, offer me optionsquite sending me hate mail and threats.i'm not asking for much
(DIR) Post #AY0V1FhysS4Ex7CYU4 by moxfulder@mastodon.online
2023-07-22T08:45:24Z
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- and you're doing it disingenuously, without providing the full context, which means anyone reading your posts will just take your word for it, nodding along in sympathy, imagining you facing off against these nasty admins and their ridicule and their tribalism and their irrational attacks, when all that's really happened is you made a suggestion in a Discord room, it was responded to by a bunch of people explaining why it's not a good idea, and your privilege did not know how to handle that.🧵
(DIR) Post #AY0V1HdRiHd0vd5xh2 by moxfulder@mastodon.online
2023-07-22T08:49:03Z
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You are advocating for a safe space where the things you say into a public channel are never shared outside of that channel. The fact that this is what your idea of 'safe space' means speaks volumes about the kind of life you get to live.*You* need to do better. Not us. *You* need to realise that in November 2022 you entered a space that had been existing for six years as safer place for the systemically oppressed, and we're not going to let you take that away without fighting for it.